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[Saithan]

As long as we get them price doesn't matter

 

[Sanchez]

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence​

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules aircraft.

The multi-year agreement covers entry into service and sustainment for all 12 aircraft to be operated by the Turkish Air Force, including scheduled maintenance, spares and tooling.

Marshall will also provide training to enable the customer to build up an indigenous capability on the C-130J platform....

In addition to the scheduled maintenance, Marshall will have completed centre wing box replacements on each of the 12 airframes prior to the aircraft entering into service with the Turkish Air Force.

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence - Marshall Group

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super …

marshallgroup.com

 

[Sanchez]

And the first family photo. I really do hope the refuel probes are retained; would be a good nice capability to have for spec ops missions.

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı ile Marshall Aerospace Arasında C-130J Uçakları için Bakım ve İdame Anlaşması İmzalandı

İngiltere merkezli Marshall Aerospace tarafından yapılan açıklamaya göre Milli Savunma Bakanlığı (MSB) ile Marshall Aerospace arasında, Türk Hava Kuvvetleri`nin İngiltere`den tedarik edeceği 12 adet ikinci el Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules uçağının bakım/idame hizmetleri için anlaşma...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Fairon]

Wonder if we also consider the C27s after the C130Js? They use the same engine (different variants, though I'm not sure how different they are), we have good relations with Italy in the aviation sector, and they can reduce the C130's workload for loads that are just outside the C235's capacity but not worth using the C130 for.

 

[Sanchez]

Wonder if we also consider the C27s after the C130Js? They use the same engine (different variants, though I'm not sure how different they are), we have good relations with Italy in the aviation sector, and they can reduce the C130's workload for loads that are just outside the C235's capacity but not worth using the C130 for.

Sünnetçi wrote about a smaller aircraft to bridge the gap and replace some capability that will be lost with aging C-235s last year.

"The Turkish Air Force, which is closely interested in the C-130J Super Hercules Transport Aircraft, which will be decommissioned by the British Royal Air Force in 2023 in order to support the C-130BM/EM Fleet, sent a delegation to the UK to inspect the aircraft and held preliminary discussions on cooperation within the scope of the project. In the first phase, it is planned to transfer 8 C-130J-30 (C4, with extended fuselage) and 2 C-130J (C5, with standard length fuselage) Super Hercules Transport Aircraft from RAF stocks to the Turkish Air Force after undergoing the necessary maintenance, repair and overhaul procedures (FASBAT), Later on, the number of aircraft was revised as 12 (2 of which will be used as spare parts), all of which will be C-130J-30s, but the number of aircraft was re-determined as 10 aircraft (all long-body C-130J-30 versions) based on the airframe/structural condition of the aircraft. The contract was expected to be signed by the end of this year"

Air force as usual can't reach consensus, but C-130J deal is progressing well.

"The CN235s in the inventory are very worn out and have spare parts and sustainment problems. Some of them will undergo avionic modernization, some of them will be decommissioned in the future, perhaps they will be sold, and if the budget is available, they will be replaced by an estimated 20-25 new production C295 or C-27J aircraft. Of course, this will be realized on a 10-year timetable. In the first phase, 10 C-130Js are expected to be delivered between 2025 and 2027..."

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C-27 would be a good pick for the air force on engine alone, but C-295 also uses the same engine Navy ATRs do; so there's that as well.

Remembering this post, new C-130J number is given as 12. So the number is again increased to 12, or are the +2 still for spare? We don't know.

 

[Fairon]

Sünnetçi wrote about a smaller aircraft to bridge the gap and replace some capability that will be lost with aging C-235s last year.


C-27 would be a good pick for the air force on engine alone, but C-295 also uses the same engine Navy ATRs do; so there's that as well.

Remembering this post, new C-130J number is given as 12. So the number is again increased to 12, or are the +2 still for spare? We don't know.

Actually I am more leaning towards to mixed fleet with CN295 and C27. I think they will complement each other well. CN295 is longer but has less height, while the C27 is shorter but has greater height.(Also there is a slight MTOW difference as well) This could strengthens the air force’s hand when dealing with cargo of varying volumes with lower weights.

I've only written C27 because I think the Air Force wouldn't consider buying another aircraft after acquiring the C130J, and I tried to give myself hope by highlighting the C27 due to its engines

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/800231235389943808

Whats going on?

Look at the date...

 

[Pokemonte13]

Look at the date...

my bad

 

[Sanchez]

Per Bloomberg, Erdogan will directly mention the Qatari EFs during his visit.

Fatih is right to point out all three countries mentioned(Qatar, Kuwait, Oman) are EF users. Kuwait also have 3As.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980576814356394423

 

[TheInsider]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

 

[boredaf]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

This is embarrassing, they've turned us into Greece, begging for other countries' scraps. What's next, getting amphibious vehicles from US that drowned their marines?

 

[MonteCarlo]

I am not against the Qatari deal because we simply don't have the time to wait for the production lane but is buying second hand aircraft that is not even 5 years old really cheaper than buying brand new. I would have guessed that current global climate would make secondhand jets with quick delivery schedule more valuable

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters

 

[Yasar_TR]

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I don’t know if this was posted here before. But according to this news piece the first Ozgur F16 that has Murad Aesa radar is now flying under tail no 87-0019.

The plan is to furnish all Block-30 aircraft with the Aesa radar (Ozgur-2 modernisation) during 2025 to 2027 time period. In addition to this by 2030 to have all Block 40 and 50 aircraft converted to Ozgur-2 status.

The decision to do this was taken and necessary agreements were signed in 2023 to provide parts to make it happen starting from 2025.

F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50’ler için ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi imzalandı

ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi resmen başlatıldı. Proje kapsamında Türk Hava Kuvvetleri envanterindeki F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50 uçakları modernize edilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[TheInsider]

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Ataşehir haber, Ataşehir Haberleri, Kentsel Dönüşüm Haberleri, İstanbul, Dünya, Türkiye Haberleri, Son Dakika Ataşehir Haberler

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I don’t know if this was posted here before. But according to this news piece the first Ozgur F16 that has Murad Aesa radar is now flying under tail no 87-0019.

The plan is to furnish all Block-30 aircraft with the Aesa radar (Ozgur-2 modernisation) during 2025 to 2027 time period. In addition to this by 2030 to have all Block 40 and 50 aircraft converted to Ozgur-2 status.

The decision to do this was taken and necessary agreements were signed in 2023 to provide parts to make it happen starting from 2025.

F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50’ler için ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi imzalandı

ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi resmen başlatıldı. Proje kapsamında Türk Hava Kuvvetleri envanterindeki F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50 uçakları modernize edilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com

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That news is spot on. The target is to upgrade all block 30-40-50 F-16s till the end of 2030. This includes weapons like Gökhan/Gökbora, air-launched gezgin, self-protection suite, and EW/Targeting pod integration. Basically, Özgür 2+ configuration.

 

[AlperTunga]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

But there is enough money to buy Audi A8 for government officials

 

[Deliorman]

But there is enough money to buy Audi A8 for government officials

When the Hüloooğğğğ amcas and yenges who haven’t eaten meat since last year see the big Erdoğan convoys with the 200 black AUDIs they will wet their pants from how powerful the State is…
New black Benz and Audi limos for every town mayor, hundreds of thousands of new state/party employees who scratch their balls/pussies all day and get big wages, thousands of new empty mosques… All these tens of billions a year are much more important than the Air Force of the Turkish Republic… They hate it anyway.

 

[Turkic]

But there is enough money to buy Audi A8 for government officials

Yeah we could buy 1 EF if 500 of them didn't get the A8 but hey, don't we have another thread for this?

There are billions billions of dollars that could be saved because of unnecessary spendings but 1) Bringing this up won't help with the EF deal we aim to close by this year. 2) You especially talk about A8's while you could choose any other spending valuing much more; which makes it a highly political comment.

Would like to hear any advice that could help us with a $10+ billion deal. But if you will talk about corruption, there's a thread for it, and it's easier to talk about it there. Because you don't have to limit yourself to just talking about the deal; you can freely discuss the corruption going on in every single party in the country and in the government.

 

[uçuyorum]

Yeah we could buy 1 EF if 500 of them didn't get the A8 but hey, don't we have another thread for this?

There are billions billions of dollars that could be saved because of unnecessary spendings but 1) Bringing this up won't help with the EF deal we aim to close by this year. 2) You especially talk about A8's while you could choose any other spending valuing much more; which makes it a highly political comment.

Would like to hear any advice that could help us with a $10+ billion deal. But if you will talk about corruption, there's a thread for it, and it's easier to talk about it there. Because you don't have to limit yourself to just talking about the deal; you can freely discuss the corruption going on in every single party in the country and in the government.

Without the cars we could buy roughly 3 eurofighters per year which makes 30 in 10 years so

 

[Turkic]

Without the cars we could buy roughly 3 eurofighters per year which makes 30 in 10 years so

So what? What makes it different from what I said?

I'm saying the corruption can't help us with a payment which will take place in the next 3 years and you're telling me we could buy a squadron of EF's if they don't get any cars in the next 10 years and it is if you really have a data to prove it's worth 3 EF's per year. Maybe you do but that's not the point. Because we all know nothing in the earth can make them sell the cars. Which means it won't help to the EF deal. That was my point after all. I'm saying as long as it doesn't help with the EF deal, it should be discussed in the politics thread. And here we should share something that could really help. Random example:

Let's build the damn Canal Istanbul 5 more years later. It's already a stalled project. No harm to postpone it 5 years more.

 

[Khagan1923]

Love this "not enough money".

This country has enough money to order a 100 F-35 if it wants. Certain people would rather order another 1000 Audi A8s or build skyscrapers in the "infidel" west though. Or send their kids on taxpayer money to study in the schools of those "infidels". Diyanet next budget is over 3.5 Billion euros enough money to buy over 20 Eurofighters. No money my ass.