TR Aircraft Carrier and Amphibious Ship Programs

[TheInsider]

Supercapacitor batteries then.
Technically a battery is a batch of cells that carry charge, so.

They are inherently different. A supercapacitor provides a high current over a short time (seconds). The thrust of the electromagnetic catapult scales with the current. The higher the current the bigger the pushing force of EMALS. Supercapacitors can provide insanely high instantaneous currents over a short time and can be quickly charged back for another discharge. Batteries provide a low current over a long time. They discharge slowly over time and charge slowly. They hold more energy per volume compared to supercapacitors. A bunch of cells comes together to form a "battery", and a bunch of supercapacitors forms a "bank".

American requirement of accelerating 45000kg to 240km/h complicates things our carrier will be much smaller than an American supercarrier and our launch weight will also be much lighter.

 

[Zafer]

They are inherently different. A supercapacitor provides a high current over a short time (seconds). The thrust of the electromagnetic catapult scales with the current. The higher the current the bigger the pushing force of EMALS. Supercapacitors can provide insanely high instantaneous currents over a short time and can be quickly charged back for another discharge. Batteries provide a low current over a long time. They discharge slowly over time and charge slowly. They hold more energy per volume compared to supercapacitors. A bunch of cells comes together to form a "battery", and a bunch of supercapacitors forms a "bank".

American requirement of accelerating 45000kg to 240km/h complicates things our carrier will be much smaller than an American supercarrier and our launch weight will also be much lighter.

In recent years they made hybrid supercapacitors to combine the better features of capacitors and batteries. Batteries can also be used to charge supercapacitors faster than mains supply alone. Still there maybe a wait time between full charges and there maybe a quicker way of launching planes using compressed air or using hot gasses from explosive charges, as a science project.

 

[dBSPL]

This is HUGE!

Minister of National Defense Güler:

''Türkiye can no longer fit into its container. One end is in Somalia, one end is in Bosnia, one end is in Azerbaijan, and the other end is in Central Asia... Turkey is now in these geographies. Therefore, the Turkish Army needs everything.

We are building larger aircraft carriers. "We will also build a plane that takes off and lands vertically."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786072685690191999

The defense ministry's interest in navalized aircraft with vertical landing capability is very big news, but I think the real punch line in this statement is the other, 'TAF needs everything.' The development of indigenous capacity will encourage the defense bureaucracy more and more every day, and the process will proceed exponentially from here. I mean this everything includes strategic deterrence to guarantee the survival of the country. We don't need to write it explicitly, we all know it and that's enough.

 

[Rodeo]

The defense ministry's interest in navalized aircraft with vertical landing capability is very big news, but I think the real punch line in this statement is the other, 'TAF needs everything.' The development of indigenous capacity will encourage the defense bureaucracy more and more every day, and the process will proceed exponentially from here. I mean this everything includes strategic deterrence to guarantee the survival of the country. We don't need to write it explicitly, we all know it and that's enough.

The tweet was deleted. We should, maybe, not read too much into it. I watched some of the interview. I guess the poster of the tweet has paraphrased Güler's words "Yapıcaz. Yapıcaz." at 17:03 in the video(I timestamped it).

 

[BaburKhan]

 

[UkroTurk]

Hürjet_____12 000 kg
Kızılelma___8 500 kg
Anka3______7 000 kg
Akıncı______6 000 kg
TB3________1 450 kg

İf the given numbers are correct, this is very detailed information that I haven't found in internet.
Look at MTOW of Hürjet 12t , Anka 3 7t happens also heavy.

That's why we need manned and unmanned baby Hürjets which empty weight is 2-2,5 t and MTOW maximum 3.5 t.

 

[Zafer]

İf the given numbers are correct, this is very detailed information that I haven't found in internet.
Look at MTOW of Hürjet 12t , Anka 3 happens also heavy.

From the list only Hürjet value is estimated from the Korean FA-50 Fighting Eagle which is 12.215 kg. All other values are official.

EDIT: American Boeing-Saab T-7 Red Hawk plane powered with the same engine weighs 12.125 kg with first flight in 2016.

Hürjet is newer than both Korean and American planes so it should weigh less than the others as it would presumably use lighter materials.

 

[Zafer]

İf the given numbers are correct, this is very detailed information that I haven't found in internet.
Look at MTOW of Hürjet 12t , Anka 3 7t happens also heavy.

That's why we need manned and unmanned baby Hürjets which empty weight is 2-2,5 t and MTOW maximum 3.5 t.

Interestingly no one else recognized that it is a detailed post , you would think there are specialists on the forum.

 

[Yasar_TR]

İf the given numbers are correct, this is very detailed information that I haven't found in internet.
Look at MTOW of Hürjet 12t , Anka 3 7t happens also heavy.

That's why we need manned and unmanned baby Hürjets which empty weight is 2-2,5 t and MTOW maximum 3.5 t.

Bro, then you have not looked at the right places. It is readily available as I have found within few minutes.

Hürjet’s MTOW was never given. As it is essentially a trainer that resembles KAI-T50 it is logical to assume to be similar to that plane’s. But if we are going to tweak this jet and produce an LCA that is going to take off from an AC, then we should be looking at a jet fighter similar to Gripen E. That plane has an MTOW of 16500 kg and an F414 power plant.

KE in its current form with that underpowered Ukrainian engine will be hard pushed to have a maximum 6000 kg. This was the specified MTOW to start with. Later with improved power plant it was suggested to have 8000 kg MTOW. With twin engines over 12000 kg MTOW value was also mentioned.

As current Anka 3 was flying with Ukrainian engine, it’s MTOW was given as 6.5 tons. Then at Tusas site it was revised to 7 ton. Jane’s defence magazine quotes 7 ton too. But with TF6K in place it should surpass this easily. When it is furnished with twin TF6K engines then we will have a real monster deep strike bomber.

Aknci with 2 x 450hp engines was a 4.5-5 ton MTOW UAV. But with 2 x 750 hp engines it became a 6000 kg MTOW uav. With 2 x 900hp PT6 engines and even with 1000hp engines it may even be a 7000kg MTOW UAV if redesigned accordingly.

So it is all relative to how they are evolved and utilised and designed.

 

[Strong AI]

Within the scope of the national aircraft carrier project, the design activities of which are continuing by the Design Project Office of our Naval Forces Command, a delegation consisting of expert personnel from the Design Project Office and the Naval Air Command, under the chairmanship of the Technical Director of the Naval Forces, Engineer Colonel Cihan Ağaçayak, met with the Italian Naval Forces Design Project Office in order to exchange information. An inspection visit was made to the aircraft carrier ITS CAVOUR.

In this context; Italian Navy Commander Vice Admiral Aurelio De Carolis, Italian Naval Forces Ship Projects Department Head Rear Admiral Marco Tomassetti, and our Rome Ambassador Mr. Ömer Güçlük were visited and meetings were held.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792929510104404161

 

[Sanchez]

And we have a model now.
Hürjets, KE, TB3 and helicopters. 2x16 VLS, 4 Gökdeniz CIWS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848362191809810634

 

[uçuyorum]

Stupid position for the VLS honestly. It should be better isolated from rest of the deck

 

[Strong AI]

4 GÖKDENİZ, 32 Cell MİDLAS, 7 STAMP

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848363596654260541

 

[No Name]

Stupid position for the VLS honestly. It should be better isolated from rest of the deck

It is still better located than the Russian aircraft carrier's VLS.

also does anyone know what other navy has VLS on their aircraft carries other an russia, india and maybe china?

 

[boredaf]

And we have a model now.
Hürjets, KE, TB3 and helicopters. 2x16 VLS, 4 Gökdeniz CIWS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848362191809810634

I wholeheartedly hope Hürjet is nothing but a placeholder for a proper Kaan variant (whether smaller one engine version or just navalised as it is) because if it isn't we should just scrap the whole aircraft carrier idea and just built Trakya with more focus on drones.

We are talking about a project that'll be finished in late 2030s or early 2040s here. 5th gen aircraft will be even more numerous at that time and some countries will have possibly started flying 6th gen by that time. God only knows how radar and anti-air systems will improve until then either. And our plan is to put a trainer turned fighter on a carrier at the same time period??? If we truly do this it'll be a waste of resources in an unprecedented scale.

 

[Strong AI]

I wholeheartedly hope Hürjet is nothing but a placeholder for a proper Kaan variant (whether smaller one engine version or just navalised as it is) because if it isn't we should just scrap the whole aircraft carrier idea and just built Trakya with more focus on drones.

We are talking about a project that'll be finished in late 2030s or early 2040s here. 5th gen aircraft will be even more numerous at that time and some countries will have possibly started flying 6th gen by that time. God only knows how radar and anti-air systems will improve until then either. And our plan is to put a trainer turned fighter on a carrier at the same time period??? If we truly do this it'll be a waste of resources in an unprecedented scale.

I think by that time Türkiye will get F-35. Money rules

 

[Chocopie]

And we have a model now.
Hürjets, KE, TB3 and helicopters. 2x16 VLS, 4 Gökdeniz CIWS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848362191809810634

Aren’t there professional photographers who take better pics or vids? The blue light is also freaking useless and distracting.

 

[boredaf]

I think by that time Türkiye will get F-35. Money rules

Maybe, maybe not but I would much rather we start single engine naval Kaan project after Kaan concludes and goes into full on production in early 2030s. It would be much more preferable if everything on it was ours.

 

[dBSPL]

There are currently 4 platforms in flight prototype status and flight tests are underway. It is quite normal for all of these to be displayed on the ship. The demonstrated air group configuration should be treated as a preliminary idea, without classified works. We have at least 8-10 years ahead of us, in fact, we have at least 10 to 15 years before this ship is fully armed, trained and operationally active sail in the oceans with its armada. As the program becomes more concrete, so will the air group to be developed specifically for the platform.

 

[Baklava Consumer]

And we have a model now.
Hürjets, KE, TB3 and helicopters. 2x16 VLS, 4 Gökdeniz CIWS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848362191809810634

This project is a waste of money and resources (it's just a bigger TCG Anadolu). If the government is serious about this, then it needs to take a procedural approach.
Security competitors like France/India in the Indian Ocean or the Mediterranean will have superior carrier capabilities when this carrier is fielded.

(1) The focus should be moved to designing and constructing small modular nuclear reactors, electromagnetic catapults, and a navalised Kaan.

(2) Alternatively, instead of all that, they could focus on a new fighter with VTOL capabilities that uses the subsystems of Kaan to make production and design quicker. Then maybe this carrier could work.

I think the defense minister talked about (2), but people have forgotten about it since the USA keeps dangling the F35-B in front of us.