Akinci & Aksungur | Various Turkish Unmanned Autonomous Programs

Zafer

Contributor
Joined
Sep 9, 2020
Messages
1,434
Reaction score
2,647
Points
113
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

Glass🚬

Contributor
Joined
Aug 25, 2020
Messages
713
Reaction score
1,788
Points
93
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey

Zafer

Contributor
Joined
Sep 9, 2020
Messages
1,434
Reaction score
2,647
Points
113
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I heard that the image was shared on the TUSAŞ linkedin page 2 years ago. Note the signature of Göksel Yildirim in this Anatolian news agency.
The point here is it is being confirmed that they are actually working on such a design rather than this design being one of the possibilities. Such a delta design also supersonic is quite satisfactory as it is.
 

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Joined
Sep 21, 2020
Messages
1,501
Reaction score
6,604
Points
113
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
View attachment 22538

This is Göksungur UCAV. At the end of the year, the scale version will take off for tests.
I confirmed the design in the picture to my friend in TUSAŞ.

By the way, the picture dates back 2 years
An addition. This bomber probably won't be supersonic. But a friend in TUSAŞ said that 3 months ago, a separate UCAV program was launched for MMU, and the loyal wingman style will work there. The concept was unclear.
 

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Joined
Sep 21, 2020
Messages
1,501
Reaction score
6,604
Points
113
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

TheInsider

Committed member
Joined
Apr 2, 2021
Messages
289
Reaction score
1,119
Points
93
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Today minister of industry announced the fighting UAV project. The fighting UAV project aims to bring A-A capability to existing and future UAVs. Soon we will have A-A capable UAVs.

2023 will be super fun.

That UCAV Boogeyman posted will be heavier than MIUS.
TB-2 Anka
MIUS- TAI UCAV
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Professional
Joined
Aug 24, 2020
Messages
2,193
Reaction score
7,533
Points
113
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
View attachment 22538

This is Göksungur UCAV. At the end of the year, the scale version will take off for tests.
I confirmed the design in the picture to my friend in TUSAŞ.

By the way, the picture dates back 2 years
Unfortunately.
Model seems to be the one designed in the given paper, PIV experiments could be one another set of the articles or for evolutionary purposes.
For the rest just check the corresponding author's other articles you may see they actively use this design for research purposes.

They seem to work on that particular design since 2009.

TL: DR ; Don't trust Turkish defence news authors they recycle a lot of images from web without reference.
 
Last edited:

TheInsider

Committed member
Joined
Apr 2, 2021
Messages
289
Reaction score
1,119
Points
93
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I have no idea about the design and shape of the TAI UCAV but now that the genie is out of the bottle I know that

-It is a big and heavy UCAV expect 5-6 tonnes or higher.
-It will have a turbofan engine
-Its mission endurance will be 8 hours.
-It will carry a big amount of payload. More than Akıncı.
-A scaled model will be/has already been produced. I expect the first flight of the scaled model to be done in a year.
- The first flight of the full-sized UCAV will be done in 2025.
-It will be made public at some point like other TAI projects. I think it will be publicly announced in 2023 at the latest(IMHO it will be announced sooner).
-It will be able to fly at supersonic speeds(I expect max speed to be around 1.2 mach maybe up to 1.4) but mostly execute missions at high subsonic speeds.
-It will have A-A capability but I don't know the details of its A-A capability(BVR, WVR, self-protection)
-It will be expensive but it will still be much cheaper than a manned fighter.
 

era_shield

Committed member
Joined
Sep 30, 2020
Messages
185
Reaction score
727
Points
93
Nation of residence
Australia
Nation of origin
Turkey
Unfortunately.
Model seems to be the one designed in the given paper, PIV experiments could be one another set of the articles or for evolutionary purposes.
For the rest just check the corresponding author's other articles you may see they actively use this design for research purposes.

They seem to work on that particular design since 2009.

TL: DR ; Don't trust Turkish defence news authors they recycle a lot of images from web without reference.
Many countries are following a similar design, and the image isn't found anywhere else on the web that I could find.
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Professional
Joined
Aug 24, 2020
Messages
2,193
Reaction score
7,533
Points
113
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Many countries are following a similar design, and the image isn't found anywhere else on the web that I could find.
Original image can be found DMW's website.
Whole of the experimental studies made by Andrea, which i have given in the link, is done by DLR.
That particular image is from DLR's website and not related to Goksungur or our drone programs.
Andrea is a senior researcher from DLR.
 

Cabatli_53

Experienced member
Administrator
Moderator
Joined
Aug 23, 2020
Messages
2,202
Reaction score
14,071
Points
113
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Today minister of industry announced the fighting UAV project. The fighting UAV project aims to bring A-A capability to existing and future UAVs. Soon we will have A-A capable UAVs.

2023 will be super fun.

That UCAV Boogeyman posted will be heavier than MIUS.
TB-2 Anka
MIUS- TAI UCAV

I think We will see two fighter jet drone in different categories.

Tactic (up to 4-5ton MTOW) near supersonic fighter jet drone - MIUS

Strategic fighter jet drone- TISU/MIUS and supersonic lighter wingman drone.

images-7.jpeg
 

neosinan

Active member
Joined
Sep 18, 2020
Messages
62
Reaction score
371
Points
53
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Mr Mustafa VARANK: "When we launch our fighting UAVs, the world will talk about the fighting UAVs developed by Turkey, not F-35s,"

At This point, I'm trying to suspect/hope for TFX project is evolving into not Only 1 Manned Fighter Jet (like we saw in the mock-up etc) But Also One Fighter UCAV with same infrastructure and sensors.

Afaik, Development of Such Airframe wouldn't be more than 100-200m$, If we were going to put same AESA radar, IRST and Avionics And were to use same test benches and supercomputers etc.
 

Huelague

Contributor
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Messages
940
Reaction score
1,213
Points
93
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
View attachment 22538

This is Göksungur UCAV. At the end of the year, the scale version will take off for tests.
I confirmed the design in the picture to my friend in TUSAŞ.

By the way, the picture dates back 2 years
Are you sure about „B-2“ design? What is the reason of delaying the project?
 

Huelague

Contributor
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Messages
940
Reaction score
1,213
Points
93
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey

comolokko

Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Messages
20
Reaction score
20
Points
3
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
it needs to be developed. yes, we respect the effort and support such projects, but we should not let people make fun of our intelligence. at first glance caught my attention a funny infrared camera on the tail .
Screenshot_1.png
 

Blood raven

Active member
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Messages
81
Reaction score
251
Points
53
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
At This point, I'm trying to suspect/hope for TFX project is evolving into not Only 1 Manned Fighter Jet (like we saw in the mock-up etc) But Also One Fighter UCAV with same infrastructure and sensors.

Afaik, Development of Such Airframe wouldn't be more than 100-200m$, If we were going to put same AESA radar, IRST and Avionics And were to use same test benches and supercomputers etc.
I see very slim chance of tfx being made into a ucav. Fighting air to air is a very complex task and the input of the driver is very important and cannot be delayed/disrupted in such situations.
 
Top Bottom