Algeria Urges Locals In Eastern Morocco to Evacuate Farms Before March 18

[Chakib larbi]

This is a very toxic way into indoctrinating your population against an outside group.

We are not the bad guys and we poison no one we just educate the generations that Morocco is our only enemy and throughout history, Morocco's eyes have been on Algerian soil..
Algeria has an international borders with 6 countries, including Morocco and we d'ont have any border disputes with these countries ... while Morocco based on it vision of great morocco occupies the Western Sahara and disputes the borders with Mauritania - Algeria - Spain and maybe even with orcas in the Atlantic...

the great morocco vision map and the main reason of the conflict, as you can see Morocco considers the western Algerian territories in the state of Bechar and Tindouf as part of its territory

 

[Chakib larbi]

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The various video clips that are circulating as a Moroccan military move towards Figuig are old videos in which the voice has been modified by parties that are striving to issue a report or an official Moroccan reaction to Algeria for adopting it as a rich media material in an attempt to repeat the 1963 scenario, in order to push opinion Algerian year to forget the movement and turn their attention to the "classic enemy" - which "threatens the soil of Algeria".
According to a communiqué by the regional authorities of the Figuig region, the decision of the Algerian authorities to prevent Moroccan farmers from exploiting lands inside the Algerian territory that fall within the framework of dynastic lands owned by Moroccan families is a "temporary and temporary" decision.
However, some circles try to portray the situation as an attack on Moroccan lands and as a victory in some way, within the framework of the series of imaginary victories that have been achieved on the other side since the glorious November 13th.
We reiterate that this border problem does not affect in any way the borders of the Kingdom.

First of all, this is not a temporary decision and has nothing to do with the Coronavirus or the epidemiological situation in the region, as the Moroccan authorities want people to believe.
Algeria has for many years been very kind to the Moroccan population by allowing them to exploit these Algerian lands without any financial compensation or tax ... when these lands were in fact a vector for smuggling arms and Moroccan money to terrorist groups that were fighting the Algerian army in the 1990s.
Throughout these years, the Moroccan authorities have lied to their people by making them believe that these lands and the whole area were part of the Kingdom of Morocco, taking advantage of the silence of the Algerian authorities.
Now, with the deterioration of Moroccan-Algerian relations after the American recognition of the Moroccan Sahara - the Moroccan-Israeli normalization and the fear of any Israeli presence in the region - the law to legalize cannabis and the fear of drowning Algeria with morrocan cannabis ,all are the reasons which led the Algerian authorities to take back these lands under Algerian control.

And again, this decision has nothing to do with the internal political situation of the country, Algeria is a democratic country and the Algerian people have a high level of consciousness and he do not confuse the internal political conditions with the country's external interests.

The funny reality is that Morocco has deceived its people that this region is Moroccan land as the whole region of bechar and tindouf And the Moroccan army will defend the territorial integrity of the kingdom .. But today in their first test and movement of the Algerian army... Morocco not only renounces its claim in the region, but also renounces its citizens and their rights.
Moroccans We puted them to the test.

 

[Nilgiri]

Typing Figuig into google maps gives the below.....can someone point out where this dispute actually lies (since nothing is dotted/shaded there i.e google earth says boundary is defined) or is it the whole salient that sticks out?:

 

[Ghost soldier]

Typing Figuig into google maps gives the below.....can someone point out where this dispute actually lies (since nothing is dotted/shaded there i.e google earth says boundary is defined) or is it the whole salient that sticks out?:

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[GoatsMilk]

We are not the bad guys and we poison no one we just educate the generations that Morocco is our only enemy and throughout history, Morocco's eyes have been on Algerian soil..
Algeria has an international borders with 6 countries, including Morocco and we d'ont have any border disputes with these countries ... while Morocco based on it vision of great morocco occupies the Western Sahara and disputes the borders with Mauritania - Algeria - Spain and maybe even with orcas in the Atlantic...

the great morocco vision map and the main reason of the conflict, as you can see Morocco considers the western Algerian territories in the state of Bechar and Tindouf as part of its territory
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Isn't parts of Morocco still occupied by Spain? Surely their focus should be on the spanish occupiers before looking anywhere else?

 

[Chakib larbi]

Typing Figuig into google maps gives the below.....can someone point out where this dispute actually lies (since nothing is dotted/shaded there i.e google earth says boundary is defined) or is it the whole salient that sticks out?:

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[Costin84]

Isn't parts of Morocco still occupied by Spain? Surely their focus should be on the spanish occupiers before looking anywhere else?

What parts ? Surely you can't speak of Ceuta and Melilla who are Spanish for hundreds of years.

 

[GoatsMilk]

What parts ? Surely you can't speak of Ceuta and Melilla who are Spanish for hundreds of years.

I would be interested to hear on the Morrocan take, not so much the european perspective on the european occupation of african lands. I know the european answer, its always the same.

Any Morrocans on here want to give their take on spanish occupation of their lands? If indeed they consider those lands occupied by the Spanish, does it make sense to have issues with Algeria while a more pressing issue is present?

 

[Costin84]

I would be interested to hear on the Morrocan take, not so much the european perspective on the european occupation of african lands. I know the european answer, its always the same.

Any Morrocans on here want to give their take on spanish occupation of their lands?

Europeans(Portuguese, Spanish) own Ceuta since 1415, even before the Turks took Constantinople.....they are part of Portugal since then,transmited to Spain in 1580.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Europeans(Portuguese, Spanish) own Ceuta since 1415, even before the Turks took Constantinople.....they are part of Portugal since then,transmited to Spain in 1580.

Typical european response, "but what about the Turks". That's my point i know the European perspective thats why i'm not asking for it. By the same token europeans will claim istanbul is still greek while on the other side saying land they took hundreds of years ago is theirs. I'm not asking for your opinion on the matter, i don't need to hear it because i know it already. Its always the same.

I'm asking for the Morrocan opinion because i don't know it and i don't know how much land they consider occupied by the spanish.

 

[Costin84]

Typical european response, "but what about the Turks". That's my point i know the European perspective thats why i'm not asking for it. By the same token europeans will claim istanbul is still greek while on the other side saying land they took hundreds of years ago is theirs. I'm not asking for your opinion on the matter, i don't need to hear it because i know it already. Its always the same.

Nobody said Istanbul is Greek,but it baffles me that you can call a legitimate, internationally recognised as Spanish territory, which the Morrocans lost over 600 years ago as occupied when you hold a city for less time than that. Hypocrisy much?.....

 

[GoatsMilk]

Nobody said Istanbul is Greek,but it baffles me that you can call a legitimate, internationally recognised as Spanish territory, which the Morrocans lost over 600 years ago as occupied when you hold a city for less time than that. Hypocrisy much?.....

give it a break, i'm not asking for your opinion I'm not interested in it. I'm asking for a Moroccans opinion. Stop wasting my time with worthless replies.

 

[Costin84]

give it a break, i'm not asking for your opinion I'm not interested in it. I'm asking for a Moroccans opinion. Stop wasting my time with worthless replies.

You should be grateful that I'm wasting my time schooling you, but this is me, always a giver.
There's only one answer to childish questions.....by International Law there are NO occupied territories in Morroco.

 

[Chakib larbi]

You should be grateful that I'm wasting my time schooling you, but this is me, always a giver.
There's only one answer to childish questions.....by International Law there are NO occupied territories in Morroco.

and by International Law morocco have no right in neighbours territories

 

[Costin84]

and by International Law morocco have no right in neighbours territories

You could be right, I'm woefully unimformed about Morrocan Algerian territorial disputes.

 

[GoatsMilk]

and by International Law morocco have no right in neighbours territories

But obviously they have a perspective on the situation? Would be nice to hear it.

So before any other europeans jump in to force their opinion that i'm not looking for since i already know it, its the Morrocan perspective i'm looking for.

Also since Algeria still lives in the shadow of French colonial exploitation/occupation, does that effect regional issues much like how the British occupation of Cyprus ultimately created all the fault lines and divisions on that island? Also worth pointing out that the europeans try to claim that Cyprus belongs to the Greeks despite the island being Turkish for hundreds of years, with the Turks originally taking the island from the Venetians, I'm not sure how far back you would have to go to actually find greek administration of the island. Maybe over a thousand years, but still europeans will try to steal cyprus from the Turks to give to the greeks.

Or does prior french/spanish occupation of the region have no basis on current affairs?

 

[Ryder]

Nobody said Istanbul is Greek,but it baffles me that you can call a legitimate, internationally recognised as Spanish territory, which the Morrocans lost over 600 years ago as occupied when you hold a city for less time than that. Hypocrisy much?.....

Europeans will constantly complain about the Turks while they themselves colonised the whole world then have the nerve to complain about the evil Turks.

Also the white people nowadays are trying to deflect their role in the atlantic slave trade by blaming either the Arabs, Turks or the Africans by constantly whining about the Barbary slave trade.

Then again im not go on some Rant about it when everybody was doing it. Just find it hilarious to see Euros crying about the Turks while praising their own conquests and colonialism.

Turks celebrated 1453 while the Euros lecture us about how its bad to celebrate conquests while Spain itself celebrates 1492 with the conquest of Granada.

 

[Costin84]

Europeans will constantly complain about the Turks while they themselves colonised the whole world then have the nerve to complain about the evil Turks.

Also the white people nowadays are trying to deflect their role in the atlantic slave trade by blaming either the Arabs, Turks or the Africans by constantly whining about the Barbary slave trade.

Then again im not go on some Rant about it when everybody was doing it. Just find it hilarious to see Euros crying about the Turks while praising their own conquests and colonialism.

Turks celebrated 1453 while the Euros lecture us about how its bad to celebrate conquests while Spain itself celebrates 1492 with the conquest of Granada.

Just for the sake of factual history, 1492 is a reconquest,they just retook what was theirs before.
Not even the Greek members in this forum said something about retaking lands or Turks not belonging in their current territories. The only deluded poster was the one above engaging in idiotic rants about Spanish land being occupied land or the island of Cyprus which has,had for centuries a Greek majority belonging to Turkey. In fact, Cyprus never belonged to Turkey historically, I mean today's Republic of Turkey.

 

[Ryder]

Just for the sake of factual history, 1492 is a reconquest,they just retook what was theirs before.
Not even the Greek members in this forum said something about retaking lands or Turks not belonging in their current territories. The only deluded poster was the one above engaging in idiotic rants about Spanish land being occupied land or the island of Cyprus which has,had for centuries a Greek majority belonging to Turkey. In fact, Cyprus never belonged to Turkey historically, I mean today's Republic of Turkey.

Neither does it belong to Greece. Ottomans took Cyprus from the Venetians.

Since when was Cyprus, Greek???

Where is the continuity that makes cyprus as Greek??? We can all play this game.

1492 was a conquest not a reconquest when majority of Granada were Muslim. Centuries has passed that the people have become part of the Islamic World rather than Christendom.

1453 like 1492 was a conquest. You have to be foolish to believe that Granada and Castile were the same peoples.

 

[Costin84]

Neither does it belong to Greece. Ottomans took Cyprus from the Venetians.

Since when was Cyprus, Greek???

Where is the continuity that makes cyprus as Greek??? We can all play this game.

1492 was a conquest not a reconquest when majority of Granada were Muslim. Centuries has passed that the people have become part of the Islamic World rather than Christendom.

1453 like 1492 was a conquest. You have to be foolish to believe that Granada and Castile were the same peoples.

I didn't say Cyprus belongs to Greece, it's an independent state according to international law,populated in its majority by Greeks.
The Reconquista was one of the first anti colonial struggles spanning over centuries, I believe modern day Spaniards have every reason to celebrate their victorious struggle just like I understand that Algerians celebrate their independence from the French or Turks their Independence war.