TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Osman]

This is great news. Look at all the other refinements done to the tank, this delay might turn out to be a gift in disguise.

What will be the ammunition capacity of Altay? 24 rounds? M1 abrams and Leo 2 can carry 42 rounds.

 

[Agha Sher]

What will be the ammunition capacity of Altay? 24 rounds? M1 abrams and Leo 2 can carry 42 rounds.

Leo 2 carrying 48 is a death trap. Insane that they would place 24 rounds in the front section.

 

[Sanchez]

After the most recent protection upgrades they are almost up to 80 iirc, so heavy that their recovery vehicles might not be able to recover that.

I was actually thinking about that yesterday. Afaik, in the current Altay production program of 250(251?) tanks, there is a separate branch on training tanks for tank schools included in that number, but i am yet to see someone mention tank based recovery vehicles in that number, less so with articulated bridge transporters or engineer vehicles. As tank recovery vehicles that can recover a 60 ton tank we only have 16 Bergepanzer 2s and 33 M88A1s. I'm not even sure if M88s can recover Leo 2s. New 8x8 ones are cool but they can't go everywhere tanks go.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

If i recall right the production rate of the Altay tank will be 8 tanks a month. 5 for the Turkish army+ 3 for export.

can anyone confirm?

 

[DBdev]

Whole point of a tank is STRONG PROTECTION. Where is the Akkor test video? How will Altay protect itself from slow quadcopters with antitank grenades and ATGMs without a single proof of Akkor working? Until then all I see is an expensive metal coffin. That's why Russian tanks are being left behind in fields.

 

[Sanchez]

If i recall right the production rate of the Altay tank will be 8 tanks a month. 5 for the Turkish army+ 3 for export.

can anyone confirm?

"A production capacity of up to 100 tanks per year is planned at the Ankara Production Facility. 20-30 of these are considered for the export market. The mass production speed of the New ALTAY AMT, which will start with 4-5 units per month, will increase depending on the learning curve and will reach the level of 8 units per month. It is planned to produce and deliver 250 tanks in a period of approximately 5 years (2025-2030)."

BMC SAVUNMA Yeni ALTAY`ı Savunma Basını ile Tanıştırdı!

9 Kasım 2018 tarihinde imzalanan Euro3.5 Milyar değerindeki ALTAY AMT Seri Üretim Sözleşmesi altında Türk Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı’na 40 adedi T1, 210 adedi T2 ve 1 adet insansız kuleli T3 prototipi olmak üzere üç ayrı konfigürasyonda toplam 251 adet Yeni ALTAY Ana Muharebe Tankı ile Entegre...

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[Pilatino]

Whole point of a tank is STRONG PROTECTION. Where is the Akkor test video? How will Altay protect itself from slow quadcopters with antitank grenades and ATGMs without a single proof of Akkor working? Until then all I see is an expensive metal coffin. That's why Russian tanks are being left behind in fields.

I'm waiting for AKKOR test videos too. (Desperately for years)

 

[Mehmed Ali]

I believe sometime ago TSK published an information that Pulat stopped atgm in Syria. I am sure that AKKOR will be better. Also I think that over %90 of The western tanks haven't got an active protection suite.

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Era_shield]

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On Akkor, does anyone recognise that warning label? Looks like a laser warning label to me but Akkor doesn't have a laser on it as far as I know:

 

[UcanTost]

Instead of the akkor launchers, they couldve been used for atgm/drones. The launchers also seems to have blocked vision on the rear because of the length and the turret behind it. Also how fast are the rotations of these launchers? Can it point upwards/backwards superfast?

 

[Afif]

Not to discredit AKKOR or anything.

But hey, it turns out, a modern IFV can defeat APS ( as well as external sensors of a tank ) with fast and accurate first strike.

First, firing in 'Blinding mode' with programmable air brust ammunitions, then followed by an ATGM.

I guess, it is always going to be a race between countermeasure and counter-countermeasure.

 

[Heartbang]

But hey, it turns out, a modern IFV can defeat APS ( as well as external sensors of a tank ) with fast and accurate first strike.

The footage you shared is not an evidence to your point.

 

[Era_shield]

Not to discredit AKKOR or anything.

But hey, it turns out, a modern IFV can defeat APS ( as well as external sensors of a tank ) with fast and accurate first strike.

I guess, it is always going to be a race between countermeasure and counter-countermeasure.

Is that video supposed to prove something? It just shows an ATGM launch against a steel barrel.

If that barrel was an Altay, the drone would've been detected by the Altay's radars, which can detect a sabot round from 500m, and then downed by the 50cal. Even if the IFV managed to sneak up and let off an ATGM round, the round would've been defeated by Akkor which is designed to defeat them.

 

[Agha Sher]

Not to discredit AKKOR or anything.

But hey, it turns out, a modern IFV can defeat APS ( as well as external sensors of a tank ) with fast and accurate first strike.

I guess, it is always going to be a race between countermeasure and counter-countermeasure.

Cheap claim and nonsense. Have you even watched the video? It has nothing to do with your claim.

 

[CAN_TR]

Not to discredit AKKOR or anything.

But hey, it turns out, a modern IFV can defeat APS ( as well as external sensors of a tank ) with fast and accurate first strike.

I guess, it is always going to be a race between countermeasure and counter-countermeasure.

Yeah then you will will get a 120mm APFSDS right into your face as an answer, a IFV shouldn't confront a modern Tank especially not when it has APS and other sensors...

Altay is not a T-72...

 

[Afif]

Al right al right guys! Calm down. Jokes on me, that was a wrong video.

@Heartbang @Era_shield @Agha Sher @CAN_TR watch this one.

 

[Agha Sher]

Al right al right guys! Calm down. Jokes on me, that was a wrong video.

@Heartbang @Era_shield @Agha Sher @CAN_TR watch this one.

Who do you think out ranges who?

A high-quality MBT would see the CV90 first 99/100 and destroy it with its superior long-range gun.

 

[Afif]

Who do you think out ranges who?

A high-quality MBT would see the CV90 first 99/100 and destroy it with its superior long-range gun.

Yes It will depend on who sees who first.

But no, a high quality MBT and CV90 mark V uses sensors with similar capability. So it won't be 99/100.

Obviously, over all a MBT will have the upper hand. However, equipped with utlra-modern camouflage with your engine turned off if you wait in a pre-planned position, you can actually hide yourself from adversary's thermal sight. In that case with an IFV you could get the chance to strike first at an upcoming tank.

The scenario is still unfavorable for IFV but nevertheless practically possible.

 

[CAN_TR]

Again very unlikely situation most modern MBT's have 360° surveillance systems and laser warning sensors, a Tank will not stand still like in the video and wait until the ATGM knocks on the door. Also MBT's usually don't strive through enemy territory like lone wolfs....