TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

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Canik bought British AEI systems, which has 30X113 gun.
For this I asked before in another thread the smart munition capability. Apparently, we don't have smart munition for it, I think we should develop one.
We don't even produce conventional ammunition for it, Greece does though :D
 

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Canik bought British AEI systems, which has 30X113 gun.
For this I asked before in another thread the smart munition capability. Apparently, we don't have smart munition for it, I think we should develop one.
Waowwv they happen to have bought legendary " ADEN " and "DEFA" aircraft cannons. Most probably Atak helis will have the cannon.
 

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Waowwv they happen to have bought legendary " ADEN " and "DEFA" aircraft cannons. Most probably Atak helis will have the cannon.
CANIK (Samsun Yurt Savunma) is becoming a huge success story globally. With the acquisitions and other new affiliates, the group strategy seems to be shifting towards the medium caliber guns.
 

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Canik bought British AEI systems, which has 30X113 gun.
For this I asked before in another thread the smart munition capability. Apparently, we don't have smart munition for it, I think we should develop one.


Nurol Makina already showed off the Ejder Yalcin with a mock-up of the Venom in Britain last month.
 
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Altay MBT prototype, wanted to see if TCG Anadolu will accommodate it.
M48s are dead for the TN. Long live Altay! (When they are in the inventory)
 

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Altay MBT prototype, wanted to see if TCG Anadolu will accommodate it.
M48s are dead for the TN. Long live Altay! (When they are in the inventory)

Altay is way too heavy for marines, FNSS Kaplan is much more useful for TN, same reason US Marines stopped using Abrams and are going for light tanks.
 

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Altay is way too heavy for marines, FNSS Kaplan is much more useful for TN, same reason US Marines stopped using Abrams and are going for light tanks.
Nope, wrong reason. It's more like reorientation of the Marine corps role for a potential China fight, not because of weight issue.

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Anyway nice progress for Altay
 

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Altay MBT prototype, wanted to see if TCG Anadolu will accommodate it.
M48s are dead for the TN. Long live Altay! (When they are in the inventory)
You'll need an LCAC if you want those Altay to be compatible with the Anadolu in ship to shore mission.
 

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Nope, wrong reason. It's more like reorientation of the Marine corps role for a potential China fight, not because of weight issue.

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Anyway nice progress for Altay

And that orientation is supposed to turn Marines into a more mobile and flexible force, which is why they have removed a heavy near 70 ton tank from service, weight was the main issue.

Marines are expecting to conduct island hopping operations in SCS, you think supporting a 70 ton tank in such operations wasn't a main concert?
 

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You'll need an LCAC if you want those Altay to be compatible with the Anadolu in ship to shore mission.
From the beginning of the project, one of the platform technical requirements was that two Landing Craft Air Cushion could be operated in the aft deck of the LHD in question. In this context, acquisition planning has been reflected in open sources many times in the past years. Even before the LPD (later LHD) project, especially after Greece's acquisition of the Zubr class, many news and articles were published in Turkish defense publications regarding LCAC planning. However, still no concrete steps have been taken yet.
 

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And that orientation is supposed to turn Marines into a more mobile and flexible force, which is why they have removed a heavy near 70 ton tank from service, weight was the main issue.

Marines are expecting to conduct island hopping operations in SCS, you think supporting a 70 ton tank in such operations wasn't a main concert?
Again wrong answer. The Marine Corps divested its armored unit to make way for more long range precision fire units able to "hop" around islands. This is centered around the LRPF effort which is missile based not tanks or tube artillery.

To make it short the marine corps are re-oriented for ship killing, and you don't beed any tanks, light or heavy to do ship killing.
 

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Again wrong answer. The Marine Corps divested its armored unit to make way for more long range precision fire units able to "hop" around islands. This is centered around the LRPF effort which is missile based not tanks or tube artillery.

To make it short the marine corps are re-oriented for ship killing, and you don't beed any tanks, light or heavy to do ship killing.

Here is a quote by General David Berger

“What we have to do now is transition to a lighter footprint, more expeditionary, more in support of a littoral environment,”


Weight is literally one of the biggest issues, Marines will most likely get new Griffin light tanks, once they realize they will at least need some fire support in island missions.
 

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IMHO, the main problem with the light/medium tank is that the Land Force isn't too keen on the 105mm in their newly tank acquisitions. Even if there is a planning change in this regard, there is not yet a suitable domestic turret that we can put on such a tank chassis.

The desire of many Turkish defense industry enthusiasts is that the Naval Force's Amphibious Marine Brigade becomes a separate force structure and has its own armored units. If that happens, large vehicle tenders focused directly on amphibious landing operations could be on the agenda.
 

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Here is a quote by General David Berger

“What we have to do now is transition to a lighter footprint, more expeditionary, more in support of a littoral environment,”


Weight is literally one of the biggest issues, Marines will most likely get new Griffin light tanks, once they realize they will at least need some fire support in island missions.
This thread is going to be derailed so far so this is my last comment in this particular issue, this has nothing to do with weight, but retooling for a potential China fight, "China fight " here means confrontation with the PLA Navy...which is on track to displace the USN as the largest navy in the world.

To avoid the Chinese attaining sea control the US has reoriented its 3 maritime forces (USN, Marine corps and Coast Guard) to cooperate on ship killing.


To do that the marine corps has decided to divest it's tank fleet (not just heavy MBT tank fleet, but any type of tanks, light/heavy). While increasing units equipped with long range precision fires like the HIMARS, LRHW, OpFires, shore based NSM etc.

Nothing from your link suggest that the US will replace its MBT to light tanks based on weight issue alone.

Lighter footprint here means lighter support/maintenance footprint, nothing to do with size of a tank. There's really nothing to gain if the US marine corps decided to go for a Griffin tank (which is a US army project to begin with) especially when it also needs an LCAC like the Abrams to go ashore.

It would be dumb for the US marine to simply switch from a 120mm gun to 105mm with no advantage in ship to shore mobility.

On the other hand when David Berger said expeditionary forces in the littorals, he means this:

Marines in Japan got a look at what the Corps' future missions could look like during a recent island-hopping naval exercise in the East China Sea.

After a small team of reconnaissance Marines landed on an island during the first-of-its-kind Exercise Noble Fury, a larger force swooped in on MV-22 Ospreys and AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters. The grunts "quickly seized control of the island, establishing defensive positions," according to a news release on the exercise.


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The Marines then coordinated with Seventh Fleet sailors, who had identified a target they couldn't engage. After passing info along to the Marines ashore, an Air Force MC-130J Super Hercules landed on an expeditionary airfield in the middle of the night with a high-mobility artillery rocket system, or HIMARS.

"The HIMARS team fired a notional shot, destroying the target, and quickly loaded back into the MC-130J, taking off minutes after landing on the island," the release states. The Marines then loaded into CH-53E Super Stallions, it adds, and "were on the move again to prepare for follow-on missions."



So nothing to do with tanks weight, the US navy "gator navy" is big enough to haul ass. Abrams is never a problem...when you're fighting a land war. Now that Marine corps are retooled for a naval war in support of the US navy and Coast guards especially in the first and second island chain, tanks are seen as obsolete.
 

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That we have tanks for the LHD's is a must, but we should have also light tanks. We should be able to equip our LHD to the need of the war: Land attack would require heavy tanks, island attack is better to have light tanks etc.
 

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Again wrong answer. The Marine Corps divested its armored unit to make way for more long range precision fire units able to "hop" around islands. This is centered around the LRPF effort which is missile based not tanks or tube artillery.

To make it short the marine corps are re-oriented for ship killing, and you don't beed any tanks, light or heavy to do ship killing.

In short the Marines are returning to their roots.

It took a long time really. Marines and the Army started to become really blurred. It looked like they were the same due to the Marines becoming more a conventional land force.
 

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