TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

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Ah Altay ahh üzümlü kekim benim, bizi cok beklettin.

Seeing the beauty alone made my Sunday a little bit better but seeing it on TCG Anadolu hits different...

 

[Baryshx]

he has a fair point. Top attack munitions like javelin are becoming increasingly proliferated

With the developing technology, UAV, helicopter etc. If it can't hit, Tanks should now be taken out of circulation. Because they don't stand a chance on the battlefield.

 

[Yasar_TR]

ATOM’dan karada da ‘tam isabet’: İlk kez TRT Haber görüntüledi

ASELSAN, hava unsurlarına karşı geliştirdiği akıllı ATOM mühimmatı, artık karada kullanılabilecek. ATOM ve SARP entegrasyonun test vuruşunu TRT Haber görüntüledi. Namludan çıkınca ne zaman patlayacağı komutlandırılan ATOM 500 şarapneli ile patlıyor.

www.trthaber.com

If we can use this atom ammunition for the SARP auto cannon to shoot incoming missiles and artillery rockets and rounds, then it becomes a CIWS for tanks.
Akkor and Pulat may become secondary level protection.

 

[dBSPL]

New prototype ready for Altay tank program
(Fatih Altaylı's column)

Altay tankında yeni prototip hazır

Hatırlayacaksınız, geçen hafta Türkiye'nin Altay tankındaki gecikmeyi sorgulayan bir yazı yazmıştım. 2013'te iki adet ana prototipi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen, 3 yıllık deneme süresinin ardından 2018'de seri üretim ihalesi yapılan tank, aradan geçen 4 yıla rağmen seri üretime...

www.haberturk.com

(translation)

You may recall that last week I wrote an article questioning the delay in Turkiye's Altay tank.

The tank, two main prototypes of which were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2013, was tendered for mass production in 2018 after a three-year trial period, but despite the four years that had passed, it had not been put into mass production.

Murat Yalçıntaş called me after the column.

As you may know, Mr. Murat became the CEO of BMC after Ethem Sancak transferred his shares to Tosyalı Holding.

He called and said, "I want to explain the issues you about the Altay tank."

We met in my office yesterday. They came here together with BMC's general manager Mehmet Karaaslan.

"There are a lot of things being said about the Altay tank, both politically and in the media. We don't pay attention to any of them, but when you mentioned it, we felt the need to respond and explain ourselves a bit."

It was Fuat Tosyalı who pulled Yalçıntaş away from academic life and convinced him to work professionally for the first time in his life.

"I've never worked for anyone, I can't do it," he said.

Tosyalı said, "You will be completely free. I will not interfere in your business. Manage this place with the same vision as you manage your own company. I just want to hear and learn what you do in the board of directors," and they shook hands.

General Manager Mehmet Karaaslan has been involved in the Altay tank project since its first day.

When the Altay tank project was initiated by Otokar, Mehmet Karaaslan was the head of this project at Otokar.

When the project changed hands, he followed the project to BMC.

"It's like my son. I've been working on it since I was young and I'm doing my best to see it through to completion. When the tender was won by BMC, there was nothing left for me to do at Otokar. So I moved with the project," he said.

We talked with Yalçıntaş and Karaaslan for close to 3 hours.

They asked that some of what we talked about not be written on the record for the time being due to the sensitivity of the project, and they told us everything.

After the change of BMC's local partner and the transfer of 51 percent of the shares to the Tosyalı group, the first thing they did was to return the land allocated by the state in Karasu.

Mr. Fuat said, "Let's return the allocated land. Let's buy the factory site with our money".

And they bought two large plots of land in two different OIZs in Ankara and Düzce.

Factory constructions started there.

At the controversial Tank Pallet Factory, they started to renew more than 1000 machines that had already completed their economic life.

I also asked Murat Yalçıntaş about BMC's factory land in Izmir. It was rumored that this valuable land would be vacated and turned into a residential and commercial area.

Yalçıntaş denied this.

"There is no such project. That is BMC's headquarters and it will stay there. Neither moving it nor building a residential area in its place is out of the question. Let's go and visit it together whenever you want," he said.

Under the umbrella of BMC, they have established a new company called BMC Power.

"We are moving towards the final stage of developing a domestic engine. A team of 300 engineers at Istanbul Teknopark is working on this. BMC Power has completed the design of 400 horsepower, 600 horsepower, 1000 horsepower and 1500 horsepower engines. If not at the beginning, we will soon put domestic engines in our tanks in mass production. These engines will be installed not only in tanks, but also in all domestically produced defense vehicles. Even armored personnel carriers and storm howitzers. That's why we worked on engines with four different power levels."

They gave very detailed information.

However, my main question was "Why was it delayed so long?"

Mehmet Karaaslan, who has been in charge of the project since the first day of the Altay tank, explained.

"As you said, the prototypes were actually completed and delivered in 2013. Then this tender was held. But in the meantime, the Turkish Armed Forces made new demands regarding the Altay tank. We had to add new capabilities. Within different systems. The change of the power group also required a new design in itself. We reworked all of this, and we have now reached the stage of completing this prototype. In a sense, this is the "New Altay". It is a very differentiated tank from the tank of 9 years ago. This took us a long time. It is now ready and we will deliver two prototypes to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.

Actually, it is not correct to call these prototypes. We can say that these are the first two tanks of the first 100 package that we will deliver to the TAF. These will be tested by TAF under field conditions. The first prototypes we gave to the Turkish Armed Forces took more than three years to be tested, but this one will not take that long. After the approval, we will deliver the remaining 98 tanks of the first batch."

After approval, they plan to deliver 8 tanks per month.

Of course, while all this was going on, many countries, including our allies, were trying, perhaps naturally, to complicate and delay this project.

This is also the reason why they want to keep some things confidential for the time being.

However, I couldn't help but ask.

"How right was it to give 49 percent of this business to the Qataris?"

Murat Yalçıntaş's answer was as follows:

"We don't even see the Qatari partners. They are not involved in anything. They are like silent partners. They only get information from the board of directors. Only one person even came to see the factory building. He came one day at the weekend and had a look. As you know, it is the Qatar Army Fund. And they are partners in many very important industrial companies in the world. We also see the benefit of this. They help us open some doors or open them faster. They also have shares in very important defense industry companies in the UK and other countries. We also see their benefits as capital support."

 

[Radonsider]

New prototype ready for Altay tank program
(Fatih Altaylı's column)

Altay tankında yeni prototip hazır

Hatırlayacaksınız, geçen hafta Türkiye'nin Altay tankındaki gecikmeyi sorgulayan bir yazı yazmıştım. 2013'te iki adet ana prototipi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen, 3 yıllık deneme süresinin ardından 2018'de seri üretim ihalesi yapılan tank, aradan geçen 4 yıla rağmen seri üretime...

www.haberturk.com

(translation)

You may recall that last week I wrote an article questioning the delay in Turkiye's Altay tank.

The tank, two main prototypes of which were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2013, was tendered for mass production in 2018 after a three-year trial period, but despite the four years that had passed, it had not been put into mass production.

Murat Yalçıntaş called me after the column.

As you may know, Mr. Murat became the CEO of BMC after Ethem Sancak transferred his shares to Tosyalı Holding.

He called and said, "I want to explain the issues you about the Altay tank."

We met in my office yesterday. They came here together with BMC's general manager Mehmet Karaaslan.

"There are a lot of things being said about the Altay tank, both politically and in the media. We don't pay attention to any of them, but when you mentioned it, we felt the need to respond and explain ourselves a bit."

It was Fuat Tosyalı who pulled Yalçıntaş away from academic life and convinced him to work professionally for the first time in his life.

"I've never worked for anyone, I can't do it," he said.

Tosyalı said, "You will be completely free. I will not interfere in your business. Manage this place with the same vision as you manage your own company. I just want to hear and learn what you do in the board of directors," and they shook hands.

General Manager Mehmet Karaaslan has been involved in the Altay tank project since its first day.

When the Altay tank project was initiated by Otokar, Mehmet Karaaslan was the head of this project at Otokar.

When the project changed hands, he followed the project to BMC.

"It's like my son. I've been working on it since I was young and I'm doing my best to see it through to completion. When the tender was won by BMC, there was nothing left for me to do at Otokar. So I moved with the project," he said.

We talked with Yalçıntaş and Karaaslan for close to 3 hours.

They asked that some of what we talked about not be written on the record for the time being due to the sensitivity of the project, and they told us everything.

After the change of BMC's local partner and the transfer of 51 percent of the shares to the Tosyalı group, the first thing they did was to return the land allocated by the state in Karasu.

Mr. Fuat said, "Let's return the allocated land. Let's buy the factory site with our money".

And they bought two large plots of land in two different OIZs in Ankara and Düzce.

Factory constructions started there.

At the controversial Tank Pallet Factory, they started to renew more than 1000 machines that had already completed their economic life.

I also asked Murat Yalçıntaş about BMC's factory land in Izmir. It was rumored that this valuable land would be vacated and turned into a residential and commercial area.

Yalçıntaş denied this.

"There is no such project. That is BMC's headquarters and it will stay there. Neither moving it nor building a residential area in its place is out of the question. Let's go and visit it together whenever you want," he said.

Under the umbrella of BMC, they have established a new company called BMC Power.

"We are moving towards the final stage of developing a domestic engine. A team of 300 engineers at Istanbul Teknopark is working on this. BMC Power has completed the design of 400 horsepower, 600 horsepower, 1000 horsepower and 1500 horsepower engines. If not at the beginning, we will soon put domestic engines in our tanks in mass production. These engines will be installed not only in tanks, but also in all domestically produced defense vehicles. Even armored personnel carriers and storm howitzers. That's why we worked on engines with four different power levels."

They gave very detailed information.

However, my main question was "Why was it delayed so long?"

Mehmet Karaaslan, who has been in charge of the project since the first day of the Altay tank, explained.

"As you said, the prototypes were actually completed and delivered in 2013. Then this tender was held. But in the meantime, the Turkish Armed Forces made new demands regarding the Altay tank. We had to add new capabilities. Within different systems. The change of the power group also required a new design in itself. We reworked all of this, and we have now reached the stage of completing this prototype. In a sense, this is the "New Altay". It is a very differentiated tank from the tank of 9 years ago. This took us a long time. It is now ready and we will deliver two prototypes to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.

Actually, it is not correct to call these prototypes. We can say that these are the first two tanks of the first 100 package that we will deliver to the TAF. These will be tested by TAF under field conditions. The first prototypes we gave to the Turkish Armed Forces took more than three years to be tested, but this one will not take that long. After the approval, we will deliver the remaining 98 tanks of the first batch."

After approval, they plan to deliver 8 tanks per month.

Of course, while all this was going on, many countries, including our allies, were trying, perhaps naturally, to complicate and delay this project.

This is also the reason why they want to keep some things confidential for the time being.

However, I couldn't help but ask.

"How right was it to give 49 percent of this business to the Qataris?"

Murat Yalçıntaş's answer was as follows:

"We don't even see the Qatari partners. They are not involved in anything. They are like silent partners. They only get information from the board of directors. Only one person even came to see the factory building. He came one day at the weekend and had a look. As you know, it is the Qatar Army Fund. And they are partners in many very important industrial companies in the world. We also see the benefit of this. They help us open some doors or open them faster. They also have shares in very important defense industry companies in the UK and other countries. We also see their benefits as capital support."

Ok, so 100 tanks for the first batch with Korean engines, 8 per month, 12 months.

So they did this plan with BATU in mind

 

[Lool]

New prototype ready for Altay tank program
(Fatih Altaylı's column)

Altay tankında yeni prototip hazır

Hatırlayacaksınız, geçen hafta Türkiye'nin Altay tankındaki gecikmeyi sorgulayan bir yazı yazmıştım. 2013'te iki adet ana prototipi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen, 3 yıllık deneme süresinin ardından 2018'de seri üretim ihalesi yapılan tank, aradan geçen 4 yıla rağmen seri üretime...

www.haberturk.com

(translation)

You may recall that last week I wrote an article questioning the delay in Turkiye's Altay tank.

The tank, two main prototypes of which were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2013, was tendered for mass production in 2018 after a three-year trial period, but despite the four years that had passed, it had not been put into mass production.

Murat Yalçıntaş called me after the column.

As you may know, Mr. Murat became the CEO of BMC after Ethem Sancak transferred his shares to Tosyalı Holding.

He called and said, "I want to explain the issues you about the Altay tank."

We met in my office yesterday. They came here together with BMC's general manager Mehmet Karaaslan.

"There are a lot of things being said about the Altay tank, both politically and in the media. We don't pay attention to any of them, but when you mentioned it, we felt the need to respond and explain ourselves a bit."

It was Fuat Tosyalı who pulled Yalçıntaş away from academic life and convinced him to work professionally for the first time in his life.

"I've never worked for anyone, I can't do it," he said.

Tosyalı said, "You will be completely free. I will not interfere in your business. Manage this place with the same vision as you manage your own company. I just want to hear and learn what you do in the board of directors," and they shook hands.

General Manager Mehmet Karaaslan has been involved in the Altay tank project since its first day.

When the Altay tank project was initiated by Otokar, Mehmet Karaaslan was the head of this project at Otokar.

When the project changed hands, he followed the project to BMC.

"It's like my son. I've been working on it since I was young and I'm doing my best to see it through to completion. When the tender was won by BMC, there was nothing left for me to do at Otokar. So I moved with the project," he said.

We talked with Yalçıntaş and Karaaslan for close to 3 hours.

They asked that some of what we talked about not be written on the record for the time being due to the sensitivity of the project, and they told us everything.

After the change of BMC's local partner and the transfer of 51 percent of the shares to the Tosyalı group, the first thing they did was to return the land allocated by the state in Karasu.

Mr. Fuat said, "Let's return the allocated land. Let's buy the factory site with our money".

And they bought two large plots of land in two different OIZs in Ankara and Düzce.

Factory constructions started there.

At the controversial Tank Pallet Factory, they started to renew more than 1000 machines that had already completed their economic life.

I also asked Murat Yalçıntaş about BMC's factory land in Izmir. It was rumored that this valuable land would be vacated and turned into a residential and commercial area.

Yalçıntaş denied this.

"There is no such project. That is BMC's headquarters and it will stay there. Neither moving it nor building a residential area in its place is out of the question. Let's go and visit it together whenever you want," he said.

Under the umbrella of BMC, they have established a new company called BMC Power.

"We are moving towards the final stage of developing a domestic engine. A team of 300 engineers at Istanbul Teknopark is working on this. BMC Power has completed the design of 400 horsepower, 600 horsepower, 1000 horsepower and 1500 horsepower engines. If not at the beginning, we will soon put domestic engines in our tanks in mass production. These engines will be installed not only in tanks, but also in all domestically produced defense vehicles. Even armored personnel carriers and storm howitzers. That's why we worked on engines with four different power levels."

They gave very detailed information.

However, my main question was "Why was it delayed so long?"

Mehmet Karaaslan, who has been in charge of the project since the first day of the Altay tank, explained.

"As you said, the prototypes were actually completed and delivered in 2013. Then this tender was held. But in the meantime, the Turkish Armed Forces made new demands regarding the Altay tank. We had to add new capabilities. Within different systems. The change of the power group also required a new design in itself. We reworked all of this, and we have now reached the stage of completing this prototype. In a sense, this is the "New Altay". It is a very differentiated tank from the tank of 9 years ago. This took us a long time. It is now ready and we will deliver two prototypes to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.

Actually, it is not correct to call these prototypes. We can say that these are the first two tanks of the first 100 package that we will deliver to the TAF. These will be tested by TAF under field conditions. The first prototypes we gave to the Turkish Armed Forces took more than three years to be tested, but this one will not take that long. After the approval, we will deliver the remaining 98 tanks of the first batch."

After approval, they plan to deliver 8 tanks per month.

Of course, while all this was going on, many countries, including our allies, were trying, perhaps naturally, to complicate and delay this project.

This is also the reason why they want to keep some things confidential for the time being.

However, I couldn't help but ask.

"How right was it to give 49 percent of this business to the Qataris?"

Murat Yalçıntaş's answer was as follows:

"We don't even see the Qatari partners. They are not involved in anything. They are like silent partners. They only get information from the board of directors. Only one person even came to see the factory building. He came one day at the weekend and had a look. As you know, it is the Qatar Army Fund. And they are partners in many very important industrial companies in the world. We also see the benefit of this. They help us open some doors or open them faster. They also have shares in very important defense industry companies in the UK and other countries. We also see their benefits as capital support."

I said it a trillion times before but as long as Qatar or any foreign nation doesnt have a majority share in any Turkish company, they have no say in how it operates... period! Sadly, ppl kept criticising me and saying that the govt are a bunch of traitors because BMC was sold to Qatar, looool

I just hope such ppl wake up and realise that this is just an influx money to aid in whatever they wanna build or research. Just reading @dBSPL post and ppl can realise that even the Qatari's themselves realise they have no say in BMC and was just investing in a company that will earn money in the future

 

[Manomed]

With the developing technology, UAV, helicopter etc. If it can't hit, Tanks should now be taken out of circulation. Because they don't stand a chance on the battlefield.

You need tanks for Infantry to push

 

[Lool]

Ok, so 100 tanks for the first batch with Korean engines, 8 per month, 12 months.

So they did this plan with BATU in mind

Probably
As far as I know, the BATU engine itself is working fine; what BMC Power suffers the most from is the bloody transmission. It seems that they made some sort of breakthrough in such area that gave them confidence to complete the national powerpack (engine + transmission) within a year

Wno knows though! TSK and SSB keeps complete silence on extremely sensitive projects until they are perfectly completed

 

[Manomed]

I said it a trillion times before but as long as Qatar or any foreign nation doesnt have a majority share in any Turkish company, they have no say in how it operates... period! Sadly, ppl kept criticising me and saying that the govt are a bunch of traitors because BMC was sold to Qatar, looool

I just hope such ppl wake up and realise that this is just an influx money to aid in whatever they wanna build or research. Just reading @dBSPL post and ppl can realise that even the Qatari's themselves realise they have no say in BMC and was just investing in a company that will earn money in the future

Bmc ain't no Turkish company in none of our eyes, they are bunch of corrupt businessman who are getting their israeli designed vehicles in service with TAF because they have connection lets not forget more soldiers died because of Kirpi I than they died in real IED attacks.

 

[dBSPL]

Ok, so 100 tanks for the first batch with Korean engines, 8 per month, 12 months.

So they did this plan with BATU in mind

Altaylı stated in his column that he carefully avoids giving such details. However, my guess is that when the TAF gives its approval for the first block, the first 250 tanks will be produced with Korean engines. The variant with detailed design changes, which we call the T-3, will be produced with a domestic power group. In this way, the procurement of 250 tanks will be completed in 3 years, with about 1 year of field tests. While the T2 is in serial production, the TAF may starts field tests of the indigenous engine. Thus, at least a period of a few years can be compensated.

 

[Zafer]

New prototype ready for Altay tank program
(Fatih Altaylı's column)

Altay tankında yeni prototip hazır

Hatırlayacaksınız, geçen hafta Türkiye'nin Altay tankındaki gecikmeyi sorgulayan bir yazı yazmıştım. 2013'te iki adet ana prototipi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen, 3 yıllık deneme süresinin ardından 2018'de seri üretim ihalesi yapılan tank, aradan geçen 4 yıla rağmen seri üretime...

www.haberturk.com

(translation)

You may recall that last week I wrote an article questioning the delay in Turkiye's Altay tank.

The tank, two main prototypes of which were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2013, was tendered for mass production in 2018 after a three-year trial period, but despite the four years that had passed, it had not been put into mass production.

Murat Yalçıntaş called me after the column.

As you may know, Mr. Murat became the CEO of BMC after Ethem Sancak transferred his shares to Tosyalı Holding.

He called and said, "I want to explain the issues you about the Altay tank."

We met in my office yesterday. They came here together with BMC's general manager Mehmet Karaaslan.

"There are a lot of things being said about the Altay tank, both politically and in the media. We don't pay attention to any of them, but when you mentioned it, we felt the need to respond and explain ourselves a bit."

It was Fuat Tosyalı who pulled Yalçıntaş away from academic life and convinced him to work professionally for the first time in his life.

"I've never worked for anyone, I can't do it," he said.

Tosyalı said, "You will be completely free. I will not interfere in your business. Manage this place with the same vision as you manage your own company. I just want to hear and learn what you do in the board of directors," and they shook hands.

General Manager Mehmet Karaaslan has been involved in the Altay tank project since its first day.

When the Altay tank project was initiated by Otokar, Mehmet Karaaslan was the head of this project at Otokar.

When the project changed hands, he followed the project to BMC.

"It's like my son. I've been working on it since I was young and I'm doing my best to see it through to completion. When the tender was won by BMC, there was nothing left for me to do at Otokar. So I moved with the project," he said.

We talked with Yalçıntaş and Karaaslan for close to 3 hours.

They asked that some of what we talked about not be written on the record for the time being due to the sensitivity of the project, and they told us everything.

After the change of BMC's local partner and the transfer of 51 percent of the shares to the Tosyalı group, the first thing they did was to return the land allocated by the state in Karasu.

Mr. Fuat said, "Let's return the allocated land. Let's buy the factory site with our money".

And they bought two large plots of land in two different OIZs in Ankara and Düzce.

Factory constructions started there.

At the controversial Tank Pallet Factory, they started to renew more than 1000 machines that had already completed their economic life.

I also asked Murat Yalçıntaş about BMC's factory land in Izmir. It was rumored that this valuable land would be vacated and turned into a residential and commercial area.

Yalçıntaş denied this.

"There is no such project. That is BMC's headquarters and it will stay there. Neither moving it nor building a residential area in its place is out of the question. Let's go and visit it together whenever you want," he said.

Under the umbrella of BMC, they have established a new company called BMC Power.

"We are moving towards the final stage of developing a domestic engine. A team of 300 engineers at Istanbul Teknopark is working on this. BMC Power has completed the design of 400 horsepower, 600 horsepower, 1000 horsepower and 1500 horsepower engines. If not at the beginning, we will soon put domestic engines in our tanks in mass production. These engines will be installed not only in tanks, but also in all domestically produced defense vehicles. Even armored personnel carriers and storm howitzers. That's why we worked on engines with four different power levels."

They gave very detailed information.

However, my main question was "Why was it delayed so long?"

Mehmet Karaaslan, who has been in charge of the project since the first day of the Altay tank, explained.

"As you said, the prototypes were actually completed and delivered in 2013. Then this tender was held. But in the meantime, the Turkish Armed Forces made new demands regarding the Altay tank. We had to add new capabilities. Within different systems. The change of the power group also required a new design in itself. We reworked all of this, and we have now reached the stage of completing this prototype. In a sense, this is the "New Altay". It is a very differentiated tank from the tank of 9 years ago. This took us a long time. It is now ready and we will deliver two prototypes to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.

Actually, it is not correct to call these prototypes. We can say that these are the first two tanks of the first 100 package that we will deliver to the TAF. These will be tested by TAF under field conditions. The first prototypes we gave to the Turkish Armed Forces took more than three years to be tested, but this one will not take that long. After the approval, we will deliver the remaining 98 tanks of the first batch."

After approval, they plan to deliver 8 tanks per month.

Of course, while all this was going on, many countries, including our allies, were trying, perhaps naturally, to complicate and delay this project.

This is also the reason why they want to keep some things confidential for the time being.

However, I couldn't help but ask.

"How right was it to give 49 percent of this business to the Qataris?"

Murat Yalçıntaş's answer was as follows:

"We don't even see the Qatari partners. They are not involved in anything. They are like silent partners. They only get information from the board of directors. Only one person even came to see the factory building. He came one day at the weekend and had a look. As you know, it is the Qatar Army Fund. And they are partners in many very important industrial companies in the world. We also see the benefit of this. They help us open some doors or open them faster. They also have shares in very important defense industry companies in the UK and other countries. We also see their benefits as capital support."

Qatar partnership is a godsend, they are partners that any business will want.
I need some for my projects, small money but where are they found?

 

[Xenon54]

I said it a trillion times before but as long as Qatar or any foreign nation doesnt have a majority share in any Turkish company, they have no say in how it operates... period! Sadly, ppl kept criticising me and saying that the govt are a bunch of traitors because BMC was sold to Qatar, looool

I just hope such ppl wake up and realise that this is just an influx money to aid in whatever they wanna build or research. Just reading @dBSPL post and ppl can realise that even the Qatari's themselves realise they have no say in BMC and was just investing in a company that will earn money in the future

Its not about Qatar or whoever but the whole controversial BMC sale to Erdogans friend who then milked the state and dumped the company to someone else.
Result is 6 years delay is serial production (in which TSK soldiers would have desperately needed those tanks in Syria) which was excused with domestic engine development, now they want to start production with korean engines...

And the factory is... oh yeah still not built...

Its about tax payers money thats being pocketed by people at the top but some of those whose tax money gets stolen cheer for exactly those people so who am i to critisize?...

 

[Radonsider]

Its not about Qatar or whoever but the whole controversial BMC sale to Erdogans friend who then milked the state and dumped the company to someone else.
Result is 6 years delay is serial production (in which TSK soldiers would have desperately needed those tanks in Syria) which was excused with domestic engine development, now they want to start production with korean engines...

And the factory is... oh yeah still not built...

Its about tax payers money thats being pocketed by people at the top but some of those whose tax money gets stolen cheer for exactly those people so who am i to critisize?...

How was Otokar going to produce it? With alien tech?

 

[Zafer]

Its not about Qatar or whoever but the whole controversial BMC sale to Erdogans friend who then milked the state and dumped the company to someone else.
Result is 6 years delay is serial production (in which TSK soldiers would have desperately needed those tanks in Syria) which was excused with domestic engine development, now they want to start production with korean engines...

And the factory is... oh yeah still not built...

Its about tax payers money thats being pocketed by people at the top but some of those whose tax money gets stolen cheer for exactly those people so who am i to critisize?...

If you have proof just hand it to the opposition leader and he will make sure the culprits pay for their crimes.

 

[Xenon54]

How was Otokar going to produce it? With alien tech?

You think tanks are being built with alien tech?
Anyways im not saying give it to Otokar, give it to someone proper whos able to do the job, Otokar developed the prototype and said they are ready for serial production, if anything they were more ready than BMC that didnt produce anything tracked.

If you have proof just hand it to the opposition leader and he will make sure the culprits pay for their crimes.

Pff...

 

[bisbis]

In my opinion, even if Otokar had won the serial production contract for the Altay tank, the Germans would not have given the power group again. The Altay tank would not be mass produced again.

This situation has been set aside. Of course, one day, for some reason, the Germans will come to our door. That's when revenge is taken.

 

[Afif]

DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE FINAL COST PER UNIT ?

 

[Lool]

You think tanks are being built with alien tech?
Anyways im not saying give it to Otokar, give it to someone proper whos able to do the job, Otokar developed the prototype and said they are ready for serial production, if anything they were more ready than BMC that didnt produce anything tracked.


Pff...

Its not about Qatar or whoever but the whole controversial BMC sale to Erdogans friend who then milked the state and dumped the company to someone else.
Result is 6 years delay is serial production (in which TSK soldiers would have desperately needed those tanks in Syria) which was excused with domestic engine development, now they want to start production with korean engines...

And the factory is... oh yeah still not built...

Its about tax payers money thats being pocketed by people at the top but some of those whose tax money gets stolen cheer for exactly those people so who am i to critisize?...

From how I see it
The main problem Erdogan did is that he believed some1 without qualifications at all to do such a sensitive job. Erdo didnt sell it to that idiot (forgot his name) because he was Erdo's friend, but because that "idiot" promised Erdogan to do the impossible within a short time frame; Erdo believed him and provided all the incentives the govt can do to support that "idiot" and yet he failed
If he was truly a friend, then Erdo would have kept BMC under that "idiot"s control yet Erdo kicked him out of the party and treated him as a pariah!

Erdo wanted excellent results so quickly that he forgot to look at the process that needed to be done to achieve that required result

At least he did learn from the mistake and gave it to qualified personnel like Tosyali and good results are starting to appear within a short time frame of 2 years!

If Erdo wanted to waste tax payer's money, then he can just throw it into useless construction projects and Erdo and his friends will earn billions more than with the BMC's fiasco. It seems that Erdo truly wanted to build the Altay and this is proven by the fact that the govt. Especially Ismail Demir tried to salvage the tank program no matter what after it has been sabotaged by the German engine embargo by providing incentives, engine alternatives and local engine design and production

This is further proven by @dBSPL recent post which stated that even after the german engine embargo, Turkey's allies continued to try and hinder the tank's development. The fact that we see Altay now is a fact that the govt, SSB, BMC, and TSK suffered a lot to reach this stage and a testament to their desires of seeing Altay on the battlefield kicking ass!

 

[Radonsider]

DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE FINAL COST PER UNIT ?

Nope, probably in between 8-10 million USD

 

[Anmdt]

New prototype ready for Altay tank program
(Fatih Altaylı's column)

Altay tankında yeni prototip hazır

Hatırlayacaksınız, geçen hafta Türkiye'nin Altay tankındaki gecikmeyi sorgulayan bir yazı yazmıştım. 2013'te iki adet ana prototipi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen, 3 yıllık deneme süresinin ardından 2018'de seri üretim ihalesi yapılan tank, aradan geçen 4 yıla rağmen seri üretime...

www.haberturk.com

(translation)

You may recall that last week I wrote an article questioning the delay in Turkiye's Altay tank.

The tank, two main prototypes of which were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2013, was tendered for mass production in 2018 after a three-year trial period, but despite the four years that had passed, it had not been put into mass production.

Murat Yalçıntaş called me after the column.

As you may know, Mr. Murat became the CEO of BMC after Ethem Sancak transferred his shares to Tosyalı Holding.

He called and said, "I want to explain the issues you about the Altay tank."

We met in my office yesterday. They came here together with BMC's general manager Mehmet Karaaslan.

"There are a lot of things being said about the Altay tank, both politically and in the media. We don't pay attention to any of them, but when you mentioned it, we felt the need to respond and explain ourselves a bit."

It was Fuat Tosyalı who pulled Yalçıntaş away from academic life and convinced him to work professionally for the first time in his life.

"I've never worked for anyone, I can't do it," he said.

Tosyalı said, "You will be completely free. I will not interfere in your business. Manage this place with the same vision as you manage your own company. I just want to hear and learn what you do in the board of directors," and they shook hands.

General Manager Mehmet Karaaslan has been involved in the Altay tank project since its first day.

When the Altay tank project was initiated by Otokar, Mehmet Karaaslan was the head of this project at Otokar.

When the project changed hands, he followed the project to BMC.

"It's like my son. I've been working on it since I was young and I'm doing my best to see it through to completion. When the tender was won by BMC, there was nothing left for me to do at Otokar. So I moved with the project," he said.

We talked with Yalçıntaş and Karaaslan for close to 3 hours.

They asked that some of what we talked about not be written on the record for the time being due to the sensitivity of the project, and they told us everything.

After the change of BMC's local partner and the transfer of 51 percent of the shares to the Tosyalı group, the first thing they did was to return the land allocated by the state in Karasu.

Mr. Fuat said, "Let's return the allocated land. Let's buy the factory site with our money".

And they bought two large plots of land in two different OIZs in Ankara and Düzce.

Factory constructions started there.

At the controversial Tank Pallet Factory, they started to renew more than 1000 machines that had already completed their economic life.

I also asked Murat Yalçıntaş about BMC's factory land in Izmir. It was rumored that this valuable land would be vacated and turned into a residential and commercial area.

Yalçıntaş denied this.

"There is no such project. That is BMC's headquarters and it will stay there. Neither moving it nor building a residential area in its place is out of the question. Let's go and visit it together whenever you want," he said.

Under the umbrella of BMC, they have established a new company called BMC Power.

"We are moving towards the final stage of developing a domestic engine. A team of 300 engineers at Istanbul Teknopark is working on this. BMC Power has completed the design of 400 horsepower, 600 horsepower, 1000 horsepower and 1500 horsepower engines. If not at the beginning, we will soon put domestic engines in our tanks in mass production. These engines will be installed not only in tanks, but also in all domestically produced defense vehicles. Even armored personnel carriers and storm howitzers. That's why we worked on engines with four different power levels."

They gave very detailed information.

However, my main question was "Why was it delayed so long?"

Mehmet Karaaslan, who has been in charge of the project since the first day of the Altay tank, explained.

"As you said, the prototypes were actually completed and delivered in 2013. Then this tender was held. But in the meantime, the Turkish Armed Forces made new demands regarding the Altay tank. We had to add new capabilities. Within different systems. The change of the power group also required a new design in itself. We reworked all of this, and we have now reached the stage of completing this prototype. In a sense, this is the "New Altay". It is a very differentiated tank from the tank of 9 years ago. This took us a long time. It is now ready and we will deliver two prototypes to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.

Actually, it is not correct to call these prototypes. We can say that these are the first two tanks of the first 100 package that we will deliver to the TAF. These will be tested by TAF under field conditions. The first prototypes we gave to the Turkish Armed Forces took more than three years to be tested, but this one will not take that long. After the approval, we will deliver the remaining 98 tanks of the first batch."

After approval, they plan to deliver 8 tanks per month.

Of course, while all this was going on, many countries, including our allies, were trying, perhaps naturally, to complicate and delay this project.

This is also the reason why they want to keep some things confidential for the time being.

However, I couldn't help but ask.

"How right was it to give 49 percent of this business to the Qataris?"

Murat Yalçıntaş's answer was as follows:

"We don't even see the Qatari partners. They are not involved in anything. They are like silent partners. They only get information from the board of directors. Only one person even came to see the factory building. He came one day at the weekend and had a look. As you know, it is the Qatar Army Fund. And they are partners in many very important industrial companies in the world. We also see the benefit of this. They help us open some doors or open them faster. They also have shares in very important defense industry companies in the UK and other countries. We also see their benefits as capital support."

Which proves, Ethem Sancak literally did nothing in Tank Palet to improve it, as contracted by ASFAT-MSB or regarding to the Altay tank's prototype, am i reading this wrong or is this confession of that?

No words on this, there were people who defended Ethem at all costs and put their pride before him to finally see this confession from new the management of BMC.

The new Altay mod (showcased in BMC factory) was actually Otokar's prototype + make up, why am i sensing that, they will mod both of prototypes with new engines and some newer E/O etc and deliver as "BMC's protoypes and first two units of serial production contract". Do you think we will be able to see new prototypes and old ones, side by side. I would really like to see it, and i would like to be false on my senses.