TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Tornadoss]

Iron Fist's interceptor, Trophy's radar and sensors.. The ministry even planned to marry these two

Integrating “Trophy” and “Iron Fist”

IsraelDefense learned that the director of the Ministry of Defense has decided to force Rafael and IMI into integrating their respective anti-tank missile interceptor systems: Trophy and Iron Fist. The decision calls for the new system to be integrated with Elta’s radar (Elta is part of Israel...

www.israeldefense.co.il

Are you sure about that? AFAIK they are separate systems and competing with each other.

M2 Bradley Gets An Iron Fist; Rival Trophy APS Wins $67M For Army, Marine M1 Tanks - Breaking Defense

Last month, the Army committed to buying an initial brigade's-worth of the Iron Fist Active Protection System for the M2 Bradley. Meanwhile, with Tuesday morning's announcement, the US is spending over $200 million to install the rival Trophy APS on not only Army but Marine Corps M1 Abrams tanks.

breakingdefense.com

Vehicle Protection with an Iron Fist - European Security & Defence

Following a long uphill battle, Elbit Systems’ APS is gaining traction. Israel’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced recently the selection of Elbit Systems’ IRON FIST Active Protection System (APS) for the protection of some of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) combat support armoured vehicles...

euro-sd.com

 

[Huelague]

prove it away from Israel if possible

Which is very likely. We don’t have a direct dispute.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The Moderators have warned some friends not to talk about political issues on these topics but I see that some of our members cannot talk about certain issues without using politics. From now on, issues related to the management of the tank-pallet factory and BMC will be discussed here. Despite all these verbal warnings, if politics can still come to a level that will disrupt the main integrity of these subject, then the thread-ban option will be activated for those who mix politics with Altay and similar sticky threads.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[LegionnairE]

@Cabatli_53

I understand your frustration, believe me I do. I wish I never had to discuss politics. I wish politics didn't get involved in issues concerning our national defence. But ever since 2016 there's very little technical development on this project and all that happened was political.

This thread isn't about Akkor either, in theory you should be moving those posts to a different thread about Akkor or "Turkish hardkill systems" also.

 

[Combat-Master]

Firat - M-60T

Roketsan ERA and Composite Armour for Leopard 2 tanks

 

[Huelague]

How an Erdoğan Crony Made a Fortune

The BMC affair is just one example of an Erdoğan business crony making hefty gains thanks to nepotism and favoritism.

besacenter.org

 

[Combat-Master]

Aselsan's Tank Concept of the Future

 

[Combat-Master]

Roketsan Armour Solution for M-60 Tanks

 

[Combat-Master]

Roketsan Ballistic Tests Centre

 

[Ryder]

Aselsan's Tank Concept of the Future

Its gonna be like command and conquer.

Tankers are now going to control tanks from their computers rather than driving them.

 

[Nutuk]

I wonder how they will handle the uplink delays if signals go by satcom (there is always a delay of some seconds)

 

[Zafer]

Its gonna be like command and conquer.

Tankers are now going to control tanks from their computers rather than driving them.

Tankers with some serious gaming background wanted.

 

[Glass🚬]

Or they will let AI control it like bots.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440243910572314633

 

[OPTIMUS]

I wonder how they will handle the uplink delays if signals go by satcom (there is always a delay of some seconds)

not a few seconds but about 100 milliseconds

 

[Nutuk]

not a few seconds but about 100 milliseconds

I seriously doubt that! We are not talking only about voice data but serious amount of visual data. You have already 100 milliseconds delay when you talk with dect telephones to each other in the same room over a base station in the same room.

 

[Combat-Master]

I seriously doubt that! We are not talking only about voice data but serious amount of visual data. You have already 100 milliseconds delay when you talk with dect telephones to each other in the same room over a base station in the same room.

Perhaps 5G base stations from loitering drones could alleviate some of the delays, however - ultimately there's going to have to be some sort of assistance from software.

 

[Era_shield]

I seriously doubt that! We are not talking only about voice data but serious amount of visual data. You have already 100 milliseconds delay when you talk with dect telephones to each other in the same room over a base station in the same room.

Delay is only related to distance, not bandwidth. There's another issue which is compression delay (to compress video for example) but there are low-latency algorithms there too which work with practically no added delay.

 

[Nutuk]

Distance is the least delaying as signal goes at near lightspeed, delaying is all the relay parts, base stations, satellite in-between.

Delay of signal is inevitable, you cannot have operator to remote control a tank at Realtime with zero delay.

Even with telephone (voice) transmission over a base station in one room where two callers use the same base station (base station just switches the call through without additional points in-between) you have hundreds of milliseconds delay, leave alone the huge amount of visual data.

I have worked a little more than twenty years ago at Ericsson as test engineer where I have put up a test station automatizing the test procedures of DECT (in house wireless) telephones. That's simple transmission of voice data, which is tiny compared to visual data.



So the operator who is controlling the tank from distance inside a control cabin will do that most likely by satellite connection. There will be a time delay.

One would say this will not cause a problem but everyone who drives a car knows that split seconds can avoid an accident or cause it.

IMHO a good remote controlled tank can only be achieved by Artificial Intelligence support in which most of the tasks are done by AI. Selcuk Bayraktar showed a nice vid from a control room controlling the Akinci drone, when the operator makes strange moves with the joystick the software just ignores it


PS don't mistake the control of TB2 (which is direct line of sight control without relay stations / satcom inbetween) with the control of an unmanned tank

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The quality of the Malazgirt tactical field graphics software engine is truly tremendous. Congratulations Havelsan.
This level of gaming quality graphics technology is only available in a few simulator manufacturers in the world. The Malazgirt system that Havelsan developed after purchasing the American Quantum3D company gives great results.