TR Artillery Systems & Projects

[begturan]

Roketsan LG-155 laser guided 155mm munition for howitzers. Per İkinci, its first firing tests were made recently.

Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848312613219737756

Finally be! We have been eagerly waiting for this development for 20 years!

 

[boredaf]

This is interesting. Range of this munition is actually shorter than the long range 155mm round MKE makes (39 km max range), however, its warhead is twice as heavy according to what Murat ikinci said here:

Roketsan, SAHA EXPO’da ilk kez sergileyeceği üç yeni ürününü tanıttı

ROKETSAN PUSU, LG-155 Lazer Güdümlü Topçu Mühimmatı ve Lazer Güdümlü Orta Menzilli Tanksavar Füze Sistemi L-OMTAS ilk kez SAHA EXPO’da

www.savunmatr.com

The LG-155 Laser Guided Artillery Ammunition is being prepared for missions with a range of up to 25 kilometers and a 22-kilogram warhead.

So, precision and bigger boom at the expense of range, it looks like.

 

[Afif]

This is interesting. Range of this munition is actually shorter than the long range 155mm round MKE makes (39 km max range), however, its warhead is twice as heavy according to what Murat ikinci said here:

Roketsan, SAHA EXPO’da ilk kez sergileyeceği üç yeni ürününü tanıttı

ROKETSAN PUSU, LG-155 Lazer Güdümlü Topçu Mühimmatı ve Lazer Güdümlü Orta Menzilli Tanksavar Füze Sistemi L-OMTAS ilk kez SAHA EXPO’da

www.savunmatr.com

So, precision and bigger boom at the expense of range, it looks like.

Bro, how did you figure its warhead twice as heavy? A standard round (40+kg) is a warhead in its entirety. A base bleed or RA round, most of it is warhead.

 

[Anmdt]

It has quite a few similarities with Chinese Norinco's GP155A laser guided 155mm projectile. Same fin setting, 25km max. range with 155/L52 barrel.

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NORINCO Smart Ammunition GP155A 155mm Laser-homing Projectile

Smart artillery ammo overview:

Smart Munitions Increase Market Share - Asian Military Review

Christopher F. Foss uncovers the breadth of development driving the sale of smart munitions.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Making the Shell Fit the Job - Asian Military Review

Christopher Foss details some of the complexities designed into ammunition for 105mm and 155mm artillery.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

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Father of them all, i think R&D back in the days led to alternative ways, and Roketsan chose Russian's "style" for some reason.

 

[boredaf]

Bro, how did you figure its warhead twice as heavy? A standard round (40+kg) is a warhead in its entirety. A base bleed or RA round, most of it is warhead.

Very simple, MKE lists how much explosives weigh in their shells on their website which the long range 155mm round listed as 10,5 kg.

 

[Chocopie]

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

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Father of them all, i think R&D back in the days led to alternative ways, and Roketsan chose Russian's "style" for some reason.

Yes, design choices are often influenced by first movers or tech leaders. Our Poongsan 155mm Excalibur equivalent looks exactly like a clone of it, even in the choice of colors

 

[Saithan]

Sorry, but why is the range shorter than a standard 155mm ?

 

[Quasar]

Sorry, but why is the range shorter than a standard 155mm ?

-I think the main reason is '' Laser-guided artillery rounds are developed from scratch and feature an airframe meant to perform sharper manoeuvres compared to GPS-INS correction kits''

-this is also why it has larger fins

-manoeuvres means bleeding energy and this means less range

''Turdef''

https://turdef.com/article/roketsan-to-debut-lg-155-laser-guided-artillery-round

 

[Afif]

Very simple, MKE lists how much explosives weigh in their shells on their website which the long range 155mm round listed as 10,5 kg.

Warhead consist of both the filling and the casing. And later part weigh the most.

Exculiber also has a 22kg warhead. Doesn't mean it has 22kg filing.

The max explosive you could pack in a 155mm shell is slightly above 10kg.

As one can see, most of Excalibur's body is stuffed with guidance electronics, control system and the base bleed arrangement.

But an standard shell like M795 above has none of those thing. It's whole body is a warhead. And the max. explosive it packs is 10.8kg. While weigh in at 47kg in total. Just 1kg less than Excalibur.

The reason they seperately mention the warhead weight for guided rounds, is because it also packs lots of other things inside.

 

[Quasar]

155 howitzer ammunition with a range of 76 kilometers from ASSAN!
— ASSAN is working on 155mm Howitzer Ammunition with 56 and 76 kilometer ranges
— It is planned to produce 360,000 units/year of 155mm ammunition starting from 2025
— Production of air-ground munitions used by Russian aircraft has begun:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851680285743812752

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850897553249677394

ASSAN shows a dedication to serial production but is also developing new munition options

Other important things from my interview with Gürcan Okumuş

1-155 mm ammunition with 56 km and 76 km ranges are on the way
2-Thermobaric GPBs and insensitive warheads are under development

ASSAN continues to do great things. They have started to play a role in a very important production area for Azerbaijan, and perhaps in the near future for the African and Central Asian Turkic states to become more independent from Russian military logistics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851680285743812752

ASSAN is now capable of producing seven different versions of FAB and OFAB munitions. There is a growing foreign demand in this regard. As is known, Aselsan recently adapted the LGK guidance kit to FAB bombs for the Azerbaijan Air Force.

155 howitzer ammunition with a range of 76 kilometers from ASSAN!
— ASSAN is working on 155mm Howitzer Ammunition with 56 and 76 kilometer ranges
— It is planned to produce 360,000 units/year of 155mm ammunition starting from 2025
— Production of air-ground munitions used by Russian aircraft has begun:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851680285743812752

Enough please

 

[Strong AI]

Third time's a charm?

 

[Kartal1]

How is ASSAN's relationship with the relevant institutions? Does ASSAN gets purchases from TSK? There are really good products made by ASSAN that I want to see in the inventory of TSK. Do you think there might be problems in this sense due to Gurcan Okumus being in the lead of that company after his dismissal?

 

[boredaf]

How is ASSAN's relationship with the relevant institutions? Does ASSAN gets purchases from TSK? There are really good products made by ASSAN that I want to see in the inventory of TSK. Do you think there might be problems in this sense due to Gurcan Okumus being in the lead of that company after his dismissal?

According to their CEO, they're exporting most of their MK bombs, and have a lot of demand for their artillery shells but they're planning to enter SSB's tenders as well. But, SSB just signed about a billion dollars worth artillery munition deal with MKE, so might be a while.

 

[what]

I'm impressed. Compared to established Western companies, ours a moving (relatively) fast when they see an opportunity.

 

[Huelague]

76km range of an 155mm ammunition?

 

[Saithan]

I'm hoping it's precision good and would love to see it in TSK inventory

 

[Yasar_TR]

Firtina-2 howitzer’s new version’s name has become GURHAN. But with a very important change under the hood. It has a hybrid electric drive train.
Before sending it out to the field it can be charged in 3 hours from a plug-in point. Then a diesel generator, when needed, can keep the charge at level.
It has no sound apart from the sound of moving tracks, there is no sound as the tank is in motion. Plus there is no thermal signature due to a heavy and noisy diesel engine, increasing it’s survivability against heat seeking ATGMs.
performance wise, the torque generated by the electric motor, would put any modern tank to shame.

 

[Strong AI]

Firtina-2 howitzer’s name has become GURHAN.

Firtina-II has RCWS and an AC unit on the front side. This looks like Firtina-I. Where did you get that imformation? By the way, we have an Artillery related Thread.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Firtina-II has RCWS and an AC unit on the front side. This looks like Firtina-I. Where did you get that imformation? By the way, we have an Artillery related Thread.

Moved to its correct place. Thanks for reminding.
Haber Turk has made the news.
It could be the body of a firtina1 they used. But since Firtina 2 still has problems with engine supply, this it seems to be the basis of the new version to go forward. The news piece mentions the howitzers joining inventory soon. From the test they are doing, it looks like the real McCoy to me.

even army recognition has made the same news

Türkiye introduces Gürhan hybrid 155mm self-propelled howitzer for export market

Türkiye introduces Gürhan hybrid 155mm self-propelled howitzer for export market

armyrecognition.com

Can you imagine the avenues of export possibilities Gurhan can open for us?
We couldn’t export the Firtina to Azerbaijan. Now nothing to stop us. Same for any other friendly nation that needs it.