TR Army Artillery Systems & Projects

[Sanchez]

And given how prevalent small drones are, it would barely be a problem to light a target. I really like the idea, I hope the cost is low enough.

That's how Russians employ it, with Orlan-30s. drones just like in 80s will be an inseparable part of artillery units. Full circle.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Can someone tell why the range is a bit low? Or is it normal for those kind of munition.

 

[Quasar]

Roketsan LG-155 laser guided 155mm munition for howitzers. Per İkinci, its first firing tests were made recently.

Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848312613219737756

And needless to say may be the best part is '' moving critical targets ''

 

[Oublious]

I watched this a lot of time. Still amazing but a laser guided is next gen...

 

[Afif]

I watched this a lot of time. Still amazing but a laser guided is next gen...

Excalibur S is laser guided.

 

[Kartal1]

Can someone tell why the range is a bit low? Or is it normal for those kind of munition.

For example 155m Krasnopol has a reported range of 25km. The US made M712 Copperhead has a reported range of 16km.

@Afif Bro, do we know the range of Excalibur S?

 

[Afif]

For example 155m Krasnopol has a reported range of 25km. The US made M712 Copperhead has a reported range of 16km.

@Afif Bro, do we know the range of Excalibur S?

Like the base version, Excalibur S is also base bleed with rotating fins. Original version has 50km from 52 cal. Gun. I imagine S variant may have a bit lesser range due to slightly different nose cone.

 

[Chocopie]

Roketsan LG-155 laser guided 155mm munition for howitzers. Per İkinci, its first firing tests were made recently.

Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848312613219737756

It has quite a few similarities with Chinese Norinco's GP155A laser guided 155mm projectile. Same fin setting, 25km max. range with 155/L52 barrel.

NORINCO Smart Ammunition GP155A 155mm Laser-homing Projectile

Smart artillery ammo overview:

Smart Munitions Increase Market Share - Asian Military Review

Christopher F. Foss uncovers the breadth of development driving the sale of smart munitions.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Making the Shell Fit the Job - Asian Military Review

Christopher Foss details some of the complexities designed into ammunition for 105mm and 155mm artillery.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

 

[begturan]

Roketsan LG-155 laser guided 155mm munition for howitzers. Per İkinci, its first firing tests were made recently.

Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848312613219737756

Finally be! We have been eagerly waiting for this development for 20 years!

 

[boredaf]

This is interesting. Range of this munition is actually shorter than the long range 155mm round MKE makes (39 km max range), however, its warhead is twice as heavy according to what Murat ikinci said here:

Roketsan, SAHA EXPO’da ilk kez sergileyeceği üç yeni ürününü tanıttı

ROKETSAN PUSU, LG-155 Lazer Güdümlü Topçu Mühimmatı ve Lazer Güdümlü Orta Menzilli Tanksavar Füze Sistemi L-OMTAS ilk kez SAHA EXPO’da

www.savunmatr.com

The LG-155 Laser Guided Artillery Ammunition is being prepared for missions with a range of up to 25 kilometers and a 22-kilogram warhead.

So, precision and bigger boom at the expense of range, it looks like.

 

[Afif]

This is interesting. Range of this munition is actually shorter than the long range 155mm round MKE makes (39 km max range), however, its warhead is twice as heavy according to what Murat ikinci said here:

Roketsan, SAHA EXPO’da ilk kez sergileyeceği üç yeni ürününü tanıttı

ROKETSAN PUSU, LG-155 Lazer Güdümlü Topçu Mühimmatı ve Lazer Güdümlü Orta Menzilli Tanksavar Füze Sistemi L-OMTAS ilk kez SAHA EXPO’da

www.savunmatr.com

So, precision and bigger boom at the expense of range, it looks like.

Bro, how did you figure its warhead twice as heavy? A standard round (40+kg) is a warhead in its entirety. A base bleed or RA round, most of it is warhead.

 

[Anmdt]

It has quite a few similarities with Chinese Norinco's GP155A laser guided 155mm projectile. Same fin setting, 25km max. range with 155/L52 barrel.

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NORINCO Smart Ammunition GP155A 155mm Laser-homing Projectile

Smart artillery ammo overview:

Smart Munitions Increase Market Share - Asian Military Review

Christopher F. Foss uncovers the breadth of development driving the sale of smart munitions.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Making the Shell Fit the Job - Asian Military Review

Christopher Foss details some of the complexities designed into ammunition for 105mm and 155mm artillery.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

www.armyrecognition.com

Father of them all, i think R&D back in the days led to alternative ways, and Roketsan chose Russian's "style" for some reason.

 

[boredaf]

Bro, how did you figure its warhead twice as heavy? A standard round (40+kg) is a warhead in its entirety. A base bleed or RA round, most of it is warhead.

Very simple, MKE lists how much explosives weigh in their shells on their website which the long range 155mm round listed as 10,5 kg.

 

[Chocopie]

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

Russian army increases stocks of Krasnopol guided artillery shells

www.armyrecognition.com

Father of them all, i think R&D back in the days led to alternative ways, and Roketsan chose Russian's "style" for some reason.

Yes, design choices are often influenced by first movers or tech leaders. Our Poongsan 155mm Excalibur equivalent looks exactly like a clone of it, even in the choice of colors

 

[Saithan]

Sorry, but why is the range shorter than a standard 155mm ?

 

[Quasar]

Sorry, but why is the range shorter than a standard 155mm ?

-I think the main reason is '' Laser-guided artillery rounds are developed from scratch and feature an airframe meant to perform sharper manoeuvres compared to GPS-INS correction kits''

-this is also why it has larger fins

-manoeuvres means bleeding energy and this means less range

''Turdef''

https://turdef.com/article/roketsan-to-debut-lg-155-laser-guided-artillery-round

 

[Afif]

Very simple, MKE lists how much explosives weigh in their shells on their website which the long range 155mm round listed as 10,5 kg.

Warhead consist of both the filling and the casing. And later part weigh the most.

Exculiber also has a 22kg warhead. Doesn't mean it has 22kg filing.

The max explosive you could pack in a 155mm shell is slightly above 10kg.

As one can see, most of Excalibur's body is stuffed with guidance electronics, control system and the base bleed arrangement.

But an standard shell like M795 above has none of those thing. It's whole body is a warhead. And the max. explosive it packs is 10.8kg. While weigh in at 47kg in total. Just 1kg less than Excalibur.

The reason they seperately mention the warhead weight for guided rounds, is because it also packs lots of other things inside.

 

[Quasar]

155 howitzer ammunition with a range of 76 kilometers from ASSAN!
— ASSAN is working on 155mm Howitzer Ammunition with 56 and 76 kilometer ranges
— It is planned to produce 360,000 units/year of 155mm ammunition starting from 2025
— Production of air-ground munitions used by Russian aircraft has begun:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851680285743812752

 

[Kartal1]

How is ASSAN's relationship with the relevant institutions? Does ASSAN gets purchases from TSK? There are really good products made by ASSAN that I want to see in the inventory of TSK. Do you think there might be problems in this sense due to Gurcan Okumus being in the lead of that company after his dismissal?

 

[boredaf]

How is ASSAN's relationship with the relevant institutions? Does ASSAN gets purchases from TSK? There are really good products made by ASSAN that I want to see in the inventory of TSK. Do you think there might be problems in this sense due to Gurcan Okumus being in the lead of that company after his dismissal?

According to their CEO, they're exporting most of their MK bombs, and have a lot of demand for their artillery shells but they're planning to enter SSB's tenders as well. But, SSB just signed about a billion dollars worth artillery munition deal with MKE, so might be a while.