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I cant believe it we sacrificed our relations with Israel for the do nothing Palestinians.
Well, that plus Israel did murder a bunch of Turks aboard the Mavi Marmara in international waters, entered a gas alliance with Greeks/Cypriots against Turkish interests and continues to support the PKK/YPG terrorists against Turkey. Not to mention its non-stop anti-Turkey lobbying in the US. Head of Mossad has even said that Turkey is a bigger threat for Israel than Iran.

 

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Well, that plus Israel did murder a bunch of Turks aboard the Mavi Marmara in international waters, entered a gas alliance with Greeks/Cypriots against Turkish interests and continues to support the PKK/YPG terrorists against Turkey. Not to mention its non-stop anti-Turkey lobbying in the US. Head of Mossad has even said that Turkey is a bigger threat for Israel than Iran.


Yes, today Israel is acting against Turkey. But before Mavi Marmara, Israel was the best ally any country could wish for. They upgraded Turkey's weapons, helped TurAF prepare for S-300 etc.) Mavi Marmara was a fuck up from both sides. Turkey should have prevented the ship sailing and Israel shouldn't have panicked and started shooting. (By no mean did they kill the Turks with an evil intention).

The Turkey and Israel alliance was honest and brotherly. Israel respected Turkey a lot. It is a pity for both countries that they let som left-wing activist come in between them.

Now Israel is desperately looking for friends. They are forming alliances with the Arabs, but they do definitely not respect the Arabs. Turkey is also in great need of a strong friend atm.
 

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Looking at the video more closely. At 20 seconds the 4th person goes down, but the ones in front are still moving slowly standing upright. It appears that he may just be taking up position on the ground but the video is cut there. 23 seconds to 29 seconds: three soldiers crawling forward slowly. 4th comes into shot and is still walking upright. 31seconds: 2nd person appears to be shot and falls over.
Do you know that the video was shot from an armenian position, and released by the armenians? That should tell you enough about positions of the two sides.
I don't deny that. It appears that the Azeris have pushed forward past Armenian positions. We see that there is a hilltop fortified with tyres that they are passing. So they are cautious of fire from the front, hence the crawling but the people making the video are at about 8 o'clock to the advance. Very likely they have someone perhaps a sniper who is firing from that position, so you see at least one casualty perhaps two before they reach the top.
 
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Maybe we should open a separate thread to discuss Israel/Palestine and Turkey's policies dealing with it as the topic is too big and we don't want to derail this thread any longer.
 

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Lets not derail the subject.
Maybe we should open a separate thread to discuss Israel/Palestine and Turkey's policies dealing with it as the topic is too big and we don't want to derail this thread any longer.
Go ahead yoyo open a thread yourself :)
 

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Anyway, let's get back on topic now.
You see, you can't delete my previous posts about the issue, then type a whole new post in response and then ask to get back on topic. Why? Because then you're coming off as saying the last word and suppressing further speech. Talking yourself while not allowing others to talk. It's unfair and just bad management, excuse my French. You either delete ALL off topic posts on the page (including your own) so that we can all get back to the topic without the need to retort, or better yet, move them to a new thread so that we can continue discussing that topic without derailing this one.
 

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You see, you can't delete my previous posts about the issue, then type a whole new post in response and then ask to get back on topic. Why? Because then you're coming off as saying the last word and suppressing further speech. Talking yourself while not allowing others to talk. It's unfair and just bad management, excuse my French. You either delete ALL off topic posts on the page (including your own) so that we can all get back to the topic without the need to retort, or better yet, move them to a new thread so that we can continue discussing that topic without derailing this one.

I didn't delete anything except for my own post, and that was after I saw that the other posts were deleted (by other moderators).
 

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Unless they've converted these museum pieces into unmanned drones, using them on the front is plain suicide.
 

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Unless they've converted these museum pieces into unmanned drones, using them on the front is plain suicide.

The plane could very well belong to the Armenians. They are the ones in a tight spot, so they are likely to use outdated equipment on the frontlines.
 

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Bayraktar will send another 3 to replace that one. It served its duty well and took out tens of millions in Armenian hardware. Azeris are not short of funds and Bayraktar will plow more funds into R&D for its next drones.

Not a bayraktar tho.
 

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