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These vehicles have zero aesthetics.
They look like constipated guinea pigs.
Apparently they decided to save money and not pay the designer. And it turned out so ugly. Or maybe this is how Indians see the cruelty of military technology.
Who knows! What seems ugly to us is the height of perfection for someone.
Tastes could not be discussed :)
 

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I find it interesting that it’s now India that is supplying arma to Armenia.

I see it as a development /consequence of US NATO-alike organization in SEA. Maybe the US is somehow using India to supply Armenia with arms thereby bypassing Russia and hollowing out the old ties between Russia and Armenia.

Russia stuck in Ukraine isn’t able to do much in a theatre that’s pretty much lost, and thus withdrawing its troops.

I imagine the US is going to pressure Iran to somehow become a stopgap of sorts, while they move other pieces around on the board.

Iran would hate to be bypassed through zengasur corridor. As it has been pointed out so many times in the past.

I believe that staying vigilant is necessary as our adversaries are many.

Bordergates are very necessary, tracking and registering people that come and go to Karabakh is important. Eapecially foreigners, embassy people and such.
 

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I find it interesting that it’s now India that is supplying arma to Armenia.

I see it as a development /consequence of US NATO-alike organization in SEA. Maybe the US is somehow using India to supply Armenia with arms thereby bypassing Russia and hollowing out the old ties between Russia and Armenia.

I would say, this is a far fetched theory. India is big enough to make these types of decisions independently. They are just making some bucks and earning some prestige by these exports. If USA decides to truly support Armenia, it would be more visible and you definitely feel it.
 

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I would say, this is a far fetched theory. India is big enough to make these types of decisions independently. They are just making some bucks and earning some prestige by these exports. If USA decides to truly support Armenia, it would be more visible and you definitely feel it.

We are also exporting weapons to both Pakistan and Bangladesh, so it isn’t surprising if they do the same to Türkiye’s neighbors.
 

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You don't pay engineers to make a weapon look pretty, you pay them to make it functional.
Have you ever notice , that most pretty and handsome weapons, always be the most functional, in the same time? Fighter jet, frigates, tanks, rifles...maybe some causalities?
 

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Have you ever notice , that most pretty and handsome weapons, always be the most functional, in the same time? Fighter jet, frigates, tanks, rifles...maybe some causalities?

The B52 is a ugly plane.

F86 and the mig 21 look like shit.

They get the job done.
 

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We are also exporting weapons to both Pakistan and Bangladesh, so it isn’t surprising if they do the same to Türkiye’s neighbors.
What prevents you from doing the same in the South Caucasus? After all, our countries had very good relations. If you have a million-strong Armenian diaspora there, is this a reason to spoil relations with Azerbaijan? After all, this does not require a lot of intelligence and time. And it takes years to restore trust.
If you follow the region, it would be interesting to hear your point of view.
 

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Have you ever notice , that most pretty and handsome weapons, always be the most functional, in the same time? Fighter jet, frigates, tanks, rifles...maybe some causalities?

The only relevant question here is, can MaRG 155/39-BR do its job? The answer is yes.

It is a very lightweight 4x4 system but equipped with digital fire control solution like any other modern howitzers.

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(See the muzzle velocity radar and the artillery positioning and pointing system behind it)

From a technical point of view, Armenia made a good choice buying 4x regiments of these (72x guns) for an excellent price. What I mean is, for instance Azerbaijan is buying 48 Nora b52 NG and accociated systems for approximately $300 millions. If Armenia had tried that, they wouldn't be able to get their hands on sufficient numbers as their budget is much smaller. ($155 millions for 84 guns)

During Nagarno-karabakh conflict they learned the lesson how critical mobility is for the survivability of their indirect fire capabilities, as their old towed gun were easily picked up by UCAVs. Thus, for artillery modernization they opted for SP mounted guns. Yet those are more expensive, limiting the numbers that can be acquired. Hence, they had to find the sweet spot between cost and capability to be able to acquire sufficient numbers of SP guns. And Kalyani MaRG 155/39-BR offers exactly that. It is incrediblely cost effective, while less capable in terms of range, mobility, protections and payload compared to Nora B52 NG, still offers 155mm firepower and a degree of mobility.
 

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The only relevant question here is, can MaRG 155/39-BR do its job? The answer is yes.

It is a very lightweight 4x4 system but equipped with digital fire control solution like any other modern howitzers.

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(See the muzzle velocity radar and the artillery positioning and pointing system behind it)

From a technical point of view, Armenia made a good choice buying 4x regiments of these (72x guns) for an excellent price. What I mean is, for instance Azerbaijan is buying 48 Nora b52 NG and accociated systems for approximately $300 millions. If Armenia had tried that, they wouldn't be able to get their hands on sufficient numbers as their budget is much smaller. ($155 millions for 84 guns)

During Nagarno-karabakh conflict they learned the lesson how critical mobility is for the survivability of their indirect fire capabilities, as their old towed gun were easily picked up by UCAVs. Thus, for artillery modernization they opted for SP mounted guns. Yet those are more expensive, limiting the numbers that can be acquired. Hence, they had to find the sweet spot between cost and capability to be able to acquire sufficient numbers of SP guns. And Kalyani MaRG 155/39-BR offers exactly that. It is incrediblely cost effective, while less capable in terms of range, mobility, protections and payload compared to Nora B52 NG, still offers 155mm firepower and a degree of mobility.
Well, if you praise them so much, then we don’t mind, let them buy it :)

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War Trophy Park in Baku. There is enough room for Indian and French weapons
 
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Well, if you praise them so much, then we don’t mind, let them buy it :)

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War Trophy Park in Baku

Wrong massage, I am not praising anyone. Just explaining my understanding of the purchase from a technical point of view. No political optics involved.
 

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What prevents you from doing the same in the South Caucasus? After all, our countries had very good relations. If you have a million-strong Armenian diaspora there, is this a reason to spoil relations with Azerbaijan? After all, this does not require a lot of intelligence and time. And it takes years to restore trust.
If you follow the region, it would be interesting to hear your point of view.

For now, France government wants to help Armenia by training them and selling them defensive equipment only. Why is France willing to spoil their relationship with Azerbaijan for Armenia ? Well, like you said there is a big Armenian diaspora in France, so this certainly plays in their favour. For the rest I’m not knowledgeable enough to answer. :)
 

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Aliyev is in Moscow on a working visit. Regional problems and further development of relations will be discussed with Putin.

Putin’s assistant Peskov, when asked what caused Russia’s great interest in Azerbaijan, replied: “Azerbaijan is a great neighbor, friend, partner and ally of Russia...”

Armenian “News” sadly reports this.

That is, Russia, following Armenia itself, recognized the complete failure of the so-called “great Armenia” project.

After all, in the small Caucasus there cannot be two great states at the same time :)

And since the Azerbaijan National Army completely defeated the Armenian army, then...

By the way, the Russian army itself has been helplessly stuck in Ukraine for 2 years.

So Peskov knows what he’s talking about:)

 
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Yesterday Yerevan celebrated the day of madmen :devilish: :devilish: :devilish:

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Crazy people burned the flags of Azerbaijan and Turkey:mad:

 
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