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If Turkey & Azerbaijan want to create a corridor then rest assured that US, France, Russia & Iran will all join forces against Turkey.

The only way I can see Zangezur corridor being taken by Azerbaijan is if Putin agree's to it but I am skeptical.

This current situation is good for Putin because he wants Armenia to be in chaos so he can remove Pasinyan from power & also to gain leverage with the Western Powers over sanctions.

"Oh you want me to help Christians in Armenia?" Well then remove "x,y,z sanction" for Russia

Make no mistake. Despite the Ukraine war the West & Russia still have agreements & obligations with each other.

The West supported Russia & were the ones who allowed for Putin to rise in the first place. Same West supported Soviet Union over China in the 60s until Nixon (One of the Smartest US presidents) stepped in & gave support to China instead.

Neither Russia or the West can are reliable & both use Iran as their lapdog against any Turkic or Sunni unification.

Dudayev the Chechen leader also got assasinated by both the USA and Russia.

Us intelligence sent his coordinates to the Russians. Russiams killed him with a missile strike.

Chechens lost one of their most charismatic leaders this led to Jihadists pouring in and the Kadryov family rising into power.
 

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True, buts its obvious which direction they want to take it in. And if ever such a thing succeeds, expect the EU to become our biggest enemy. The EU already undermines us in our own backyard at almost every opportunity, Cyprus will never be resolved via discussions, its been 50 years and no matter how many times the greeks vote against peace they are constantly rewarded by the Europeans.

Lets not get caught sleeping, lets all put our ego's aside and understand that unity is about survival, its not about whose the leader or whose the strongest or whose the most important. Its about securing our combined sovereignty and our dignity.

The UK has its anglo-american world and below it the commonwealth. The Europeans are building their EU. China is 1.2 billion and India is likewise a colossal state. In order for us to survive the coming world we need our own bloc. In an ideal world it will be Turkic nations first, then to bring Muslim majority nations and after it 3rd party friendly nations of the world.

But its critical we bring our peoples together, no one is going to fight for us or defend us. All this ummah bullshit is entirely bullshit unless its us Turks bringing the army. We watch a global dehumanisation campaign being conducted against us and no one outside of us speaks against it. Only we can do for ourselves and truth be told we are more then enough to solve all our own problems.


Armenians fell pray to these western tricks and as much as i would love for the Armenians to wake up and understand that their best bet to peace and prosperity is to unite with the Turks. If only they could remember how good they had before the troubles were instigated. But i do not see it happening. So Turks must be eternally vigilant to this hostile and toxic entity, who make it their lives work to relentlessly attack and dehumanise everything Turkish. Disney creates a series about Ataturk and they want to get it shut down. Turks hold a cultural event in America they move to protest it and portray every single Turks as evil. We help Somalia, they push bullshit like Turks committing Tigray genocide. The Armenians unfortunately are gone, they will keep fighting with us until they have no power left to fight.

Both Turkey and Azerbaijan are willing to come together but the Central Asian Turks are idiotic they see the Turks are being genocide in China, and Afghanistan, yet they do nothing or say nothing. They remember how the Russian tested their nuclear bombs on them to the point that some of them are still born with health problems today, but they are still insistent on keeping Turkey at arm's length.

I believe that the Zangezur corridor is overhyped even with the corridor it will take over 18 hours to cross the Caspian Sea. I feel like it would be much easier and better for Turkey to create a Transcaucasia union with Georgia and Azerbaijan, and then slowly expand it to the Turkic world.
 

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Both Turkey and Azerbaijan are willing to come together but the Central Asian Turks are idiotic they see the Turks are being genocide in China, and Afghanistan, yet they do nothing or say nothing. They remember how the Russian tested their nuclear bombs on them to the point that some of them are still born with health problems today, but they are still insistent on keeping Turkey at arm's length.

I believe that the Zangezur corridor is overhyped even with the corridor it will take over 18 hours to cross the Caspian Sea. I feel like it would be much easier and better for Turkey to create a Transcaucasia union with Georgia and Azerbaijan, and then slowly expand it to the Turkic world.
Kazakhstan strives for leadership in Central Asia, but Russia's centuries-long oppression of the Kazakhs has left a grave trauma. I checked the opinion of ordinary Kazakhs, almost all of them are on the side of Ukraine. But the Kazakh post-Soviet elite, that is, former communists, have long preferred a multi-vector policy, leaning, among other things, towards Russia and China. To Russia because important oil pipelines pass through it through the North Caucasus to the Black Sea, Kazakhstan also gives oil and gas to China, in return receiving investments, that is, wealth. The uprising of the common population in January 2022 was suppressed with the help of Russian troops
Uzbekistan has separatist Karakalpakstan, also a region with disputed water resources - the Fergana Valley, where the interests of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan collide, has the problem of an environmental disaster - the dried up Aral Sea, but this is the largest Turkic republic in terms of population. There are also many Uzbeks living in Russia. Uzbekistan is clearly not a leader and does not claim to be a leader. Uzbekistan rejected alliance with Russia, remaining outside the CSTO after negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Turkmenistan has withdrawn into itself, there is a cult of personality of the president, the Turkmenbashi, starting from the first. Turkmenistan, in my opinion, is not interested in its neighbors. It trades its gas with China, which it has a lot of. By dividing the gas wealth, he came to an agreement with his people.
Kyrgyzstan is an extremely poor, mountainous republic, which, after the collapse of the USSR, is not able to feed its 5 million population, so young Kyrgyz go to work as slaves in Russia, being humiliated by the Russians. Because of poverty, Kyrgyz people often rebel and make revolutions; power there is unstable; not a single president is confident in the future.
 

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Anybody who believes in this Anzac Day myth.

Wake up to reality.

Lets see whos side does Australia especially the media takes.

Of course the "innocent" Armenians.
 

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Kazakhstan strives for leadership in Central Asia, but Russia's centuries-long oppression of the Kazakhs has left a grave trauma. I checked the opinion of ordinary Kazakhs, almost all of them are on the side of Ukraine. But the Kazakh post-Soviet elite, that is, former communists, have long preferred a multi-vector policy, leaning, among other things, towards Russia and China. To Russia because important oil pipelines pass through it through the North Caucasus to the Black Sea, Kazakhstan also gives oil and gas to China, in return receiving investments, that is, wealth. The uprising of the common population in January 2022 was suppressed with the help of Russian troops
Uzbekistan has separatist Karakalpakstan, also a region with disputed water resources - the Fergana Valley, where the interests of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan collide, has the problem of an environmental disaster - the dried up Aral Sea, but this is the largest Turkic republic in terms of population. There are also many Uzbeks living in Russia. Uzbekistan is clearly not a leader and does not claim to be a leader. Uzbekistan rejected alliance with Russia, remaining outside the CSTO after negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Turkmenistan has withdrawn into itself, there is a cult of personality of the president, the Turkmenbashi, starting from the first. Turkmenistan, in my opinion, is not interested in its neighbors. It trades its gas with China, which it has a lot of. By dividing the gas wealth, he came to an agreement with his people.
Kyrgyzstan is an extremely poor, mountainous republic, which, after the collapse of the USSR, is not able to feed its 5 million population, so young Kyrgyz go to work as slaves in Russia, being humiliated by the Russians. Because of poverty, Kyrgyz people often rebel and make revolutions; power there is unstable; not a single president is confident in the future.

Your post just highlights what I have been saying about concentrating Türkiye's efforts closer to home in the form of a Transcaucasia union while using the central Asian republics as a source of future manpower.

The water problems will probably push more people from the region to immigrate, thus giving Türkiye an answer for its low birth rate problem.
 

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Kazakhstan strives for leadership in Central Asia, but Russia's centuries-long oppression of the Kazakhs has left a grave trauma. I checked the opinion of ordinary Kazakhs, almost all of them are on the side of Ukraine. But the Kazakh post-Soviet elite, that is, former communists, have long preferred a multi-vector policy, leaning, among other things, towards Russia and China. To Russia because important oil pipelines pass through it through the North Caucasus to the Black Sea, Kazakhstan also gives oil and gas to China, in return receiving investments, that is, wealth. The uprising of the common population in January 2022 was suppressed with the help of Russian troops
Uzbekistan has separatist Karakalpakstan, also a region with disputed water resources - the Fergana Valley, where the interests of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan collide, has the problem of an environmental disaster - the dried up Aral Sea, but this is the largest Turkic republic in terms of population. There are also many Uzbeks living in Russia. Uzbekistan is clearly not a leader and does not claim to be a leader. Uzbekistan rejected alliance with Russia, remaining outside the CSTO after negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Turkmenistan has withdrawn into itself, there is a cult of personality of the president, the Turkmenbashi, starting from the first. Turkmenistan, in my opinion, is not interested in its neighbors. It trades its gas with China, which it has a lot of. By dividing the gas wealth, he came to an agreement with his people.
Kyrgyzstan is an extremely poor, mountainous republic, which, after the collapse of the USSR, is not able to feed its 5 million population, so young Kyrgyz go to work as slaves in Russia, being humiliated by the Russians. Because of poverty, Kyrgyz people often rebel and make revolutions; power there is unstable; not a single president is confident in the future.

Today the Soviet Union is a friend and an ally. We need this friendship. However, no one can know what will happen tomorrow. Just like the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires it may tear itself apart or shrink in size. Those peoples that it holds so tightly in its grip may one day slip away. The world may see a new balance of power. It is then that Turkey must know what to do. Ally Soviets have under their control our brothers with whom we share language, beliefs and roots. We must be prepared to embrace them. Being ready does not mean that we will sit quietly and wait. We must get ready. How does a people get prepared for such an endeavour? By strengthening the natural bridges that exist between us. Language is a bridge... Religion is a bridge... History is a bridge... We must delve into our roots and reconstruct what history has divided. We can't wait for them to approach us. We must reach out to them.

Ataturk said this less then a hundred years ago. When Ataturk said this only Turkiye existed and its population was just 10 million. Things have massively moved in a positive direction concerning the wider Turkic world. We have to think and operate about where we will be a hundred years from now.

In reality, the struggle never ends.
 

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Your post just highlights what I have been saying about concentrating Türkiye's efforts closer to home in the form of a Transcaucasia union while using the central Asian republics as a source of future manpower.

The water problems will probably push more people from the region to immigrate, thus giving Türkiye an answer for its low birth rate problem.
Türkiye has enough power to distribute rather than concentrate. It is not that we can not afford in any way. You need to seize the opportunities. Every step must be taken at the most opportune time, and that time is today.
 

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Türkiye has enough power to distribute rather than concentrate. It is not that we can not afford in any way. You need to seize the opportunities. Every step must be taken at the most opportune time, and that time is today.
Türkiye's birth rates are falling fast and it has failed to put in place proper assimilation policies for the Syrians, and Kurds thus leading to the need for more ethnic Turkic immigrants so they can assimilate.

The Central Asian republics might not even be a thing in the future as the Caspian Sea is drying up which is going the cause a shit tone of problems, thus leading to instability and immigration in the region.
 

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Kazakhstan strives for leadership in Central Asia, but Russia's centuries-long oppression of the Kazakhs has left a grave trauma. I checked the opinion of ordinary Kazakhs, almost all of them are on the side of Ukraine. But the Kazakh post-Soviet elite, that is, former communists, have long preferred a multi-vector policy, leaning, among other things, towards Russia and China. To Russia because important oil pipelines pass through it through the North Caucasus to the Black Sea, Kazakhstan also gives oil and gas to China, in return receiving investments, that is, wealth. The uprising of the common population in January 2022 was suppressed with the help of Russian troops
Uzbekistan has separatist Karakalpakstan, also a region with disputed water resources - the Fergana Valley, where the interests of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan collide, has the problem of an environmental disaster - the dried up Aral Sea, but this is the largest Turkic republic in terms of population. There are also many Uzbeks living in Russia. Uzbekistan is clearly not a leader and does not claim to be a leader. Uzbekistan rejected alliance with Russia, remaining outside the CSTO after negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Turkmenistan has withdrawn into itself, there is a cult of personality of the president, the Turkmenbashi, starting from the first. Turkmenistan, in my opinion, is not interested in its neighbors. It trades its gas with China, which it has a lot of. By dividing the gas wealth, he came to an agreement with his people.
Kyrgyzstan is an extremely poor, mountainous republic, which, after the collapse of the USSR, is not able to feed its 5 million population, so young Kyrgyz go to work as slaves in Russia, being humiliated by the Russians. Because of poverty, Kyrgyz people often rebel and make revolutions; power there is unstable; not a single president is confident in the future.

Central Asia is in this state not just because of Russian/Soviet Imperialism.

But due to the Turkic migrations and the Mongol comquests.

Not to mention most of the Turks moved to new places like Anatolia.

Thats why Turkic Power shifted into Anatolia, Egypt, Syria, Iran and India like Babur's empire.

This left Central Asia behind in population also you had numerous Islamic Turkic Khanates that were all fighting each other.

I would say the high point of Central Asian civilisation was Tamerlane and Ulu Beg but after they passed away Central Asia wittled away.

Its no suprise that the Islamic gunpowder empires comprised of Turkic or Turkic origin empires like the Ottomans, Safavids/Afsharids and the Mughal Empire.
 

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Central Asia is in this state not just because of Russian/Soviet Imperialism.

But due to the Turkic migrations and the Mongol comquests.

Not to mention most of the Turks moved to new places like Anatolia.

Thats why Turkic Power shifted into Anatolia, Egypt, Syria, Iran and India like Babur's empire.

This left Central Asia behind in population also you had numerous Islamic Turkic Khanates that were all fighting each other.

I would say the high point of Central Asian civilisation was Tamerlane and Ulu Beg but after they passed away Central Asia wittled away.

Its no suprise that the Islamic gunpowder empires comprised of Turkic or Turkic origin empires like the Ottomans, Safavids/Afsharids and the Mughal Empire.

Tamerlane was largely reason why Central Asia wittered away, the asshole destroyed everything except one city which just happened to be his own capital outside of that everything was destroyed.
 
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Tamerlane was largely reason why Central Asia wittered away, the asshole destroyed everything except one city which just happened to be his own capital outside of that everything was destroyed.

True but cant deny Samarkand thrived
 

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Both Turkey and Azerbaijan are willing to come together but the Central Asian Turks are idiotic they see the Turks are being genocide in China, and Afghanistan, yet they do nothing or say nothing.
We also cann't say that Türkiye has done enough to do what it needs to do on East Türkistan issue :censored:.I know that Türkiye has an important place in the world of the Mazlums. But if we need to help and support someone as much as we can, I believe that the priority should always be the Turkic peoples.Such as Crimean Turks , Uyghur Turks...
 

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