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China isn't offering latest Type 39C, they don't have enough for their own fleet and certainly BD can't afford that. I would be surprised if we can place order for two Type 39B or Jang/Chang Bogo (Type 209) now.
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I mean, even two Type39B would cost around a billion $.
China is the preferred option for our already existing logistical set up, and financially they can offer LoC if we were to make such big purchase.
Also, geopolitically Chinese Subs for BN will maintain the balance w.r.t India.
China is the preferred option for our already existing logistical set up, and financially they can offer LoC if we were to make such big purchase.
Also, geopolitically Chinese Subs for BN will maintain the balance w.r.t India.
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What is the cost of type 039b?
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Around $400/500 millions each.
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It is hard to compare submarines, in my opinion. It is always better to follow what your sailors have been trained with and putting it to most efficient state as quick as possible. With a whole new echole of design you would need a decade in to master the submarine.
Set a doctrine, a road-map and choose a design accordingly.
@Bluetooth Here is a 2009 graph from USA office of naval intelligence that compares noise reduction levels of both nuclear and conventional Sino-Russian boats.The early Yuan was not as stealthy as an improved kilo but was stealthy enough in Russian SSN standards (akula 2 in 2010 was pretty capable) .
Coming back to 2024, 15 years is a very long time and most definitely the b and c version are more improved than their predecessors.My guess is the latest Yuan is comparable or better than the improved kilo i/ii class.The c version also has towed array sonar along with new stealthier features aimed to counter active sonar detection.
Now this is likely not as quiet as the latest western boats on offer but should compare well with the ones widely used.So imho the latest Yuan is not quiet as western boats but it is quiet enough to be very hard to detect.
Coming back to 2024, 15 years is a very long time and most definitely the b and c version are more improved than their predecessors.My guess is the latest Yuan is comparable or better than the improved kilo i/ii class.The c version also has towed array sonar along with new stealthier features aimed to counter active sonar detection.
Now this is likely not as quiet as the latest western boats on offer but should compare well with the ones widely used.So imho the latest Yuan is not quiet as western boats but it is quiet enough to be very hard to detect.
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Dockyard and Engineering Works Limited (DEW) singed a Joint Venture Agreement with RFL Group on 03.06.2024. This agreement will facilitate both organisation in conducting market research, planning, sourcing, design and procurement of materials/machinery for construction of various types of GRP/FRP/Carbon Fibre boats.
These boats will be built in DEW for local as well as international customers. Through this collaboration, we aim to leverage our collective strengths to deliver innovative solutions and expand our presence in local and global market. This strategic partnership marks a significant milestone for our organization combining expertise and experience in shipbuilding and maritime services.
These boats will be built in DEW for local as well as international customers. Through this collaboration, we aim to leverage our collective strengths to deliver innovative solutions and expand our presence in local and global market. This strategic partnership marks a significant milestone for our organization combining expertise and experience in shipbuilding and maritime services.
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I expected Damen, Robert Allan, DEW or Turkey would get the contract.
The overall length (LOA) of the tug will be nearly 61 metres, and the vessel will be about 15.80 metres wide with a depth nearly 6.80 metres. The tug's draught requirement with a full load will be around 4.80 metres while it's bollard pull capacity will be 76 Tons ahead and 50 Tons astern. The ship's maximum speed with a full load will be at least 13 knots.
The tug's primary roles will include towing of ships at sea, both alongside and astern, assist them during berthing and casting off as well as help them in turning through pushing and pulling. The vessel will also have the capability to carry out rescue and salvage operations at sea. It's secondary roles will be to provide firefighting support to ships at sea and limited pollution control measures.
The platform will be extremely robust with a capability to operate even at sea state 5 (wind speeds of 17-21 knots and wave heights of 2-3 metres) with dynamic positioning - 2 system capability. This is an advanced computer-controlled system that allows a ship to maintain its heading and position without the use of mooring lines or anchors.
The overall length (LOA) of the tug will be nearly 61 metres, and the vessel will be about 15.80 metres wide with a depth nearly 6.80 metres. The tug's draught requirement with a full load will be around 4.80 metres while it's bollard pull capacity will be 76 Tons ahead and 50 Tons astern. The ship's maximum speed with a full load will be at least 13 knots.
The tug's primary roles will include towing of ships at sea, both alongside and astern, assist them during berthing and casting off as well as help them in turning through pushing and pulling. The vessel will also have the capability to carry out rescue and salvage operations at sea. It's secondary roles will be to provide firefighting support to ships at sea and limited pollution control measures.
The platform will be extremely robust with a capability to operate even at sea state 5 (wind speeds of 17-21 knots and wave heights of 2-3 metres) with dynamic positioning - 2 system capability. This is an advanced computer-controlled system that allows a ship to maintain its heading and position without the use of mooring lines or anchors.
China Launches Its Most Sophisticated Submarine to Date - Naval News
A Chinese shipyard in Wuhan has launched a submarine which is likely to be the country's most advanced non-nuclear type. The new boat is larger than existing ones and is the first in the country to feature X-form rudders. There are indications that it may have a vertical launch system (VLS).
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China Launches Its Most Sophisticated Submarine to Date - Naval News
A Chinese shipyard in Wuhan has launched a submarine which is likely to be the country's most advanced non-nuclear type. The new boat is larger than existing ones and is the first in the country to feature X-form rudders. There are indications that it may have a vertical launch system (VLS).
As H I Sutton points out, it will be interesting to see if its indeed VLS or something related to extra range/AIP or some other kind of payload.
Chinese were top notch on keeping this very secretive.
More navies in region over time likely will keep going for comprehensive VLS on new SSK classes.... the South Koreans extracted large value in taking forward German ToT for ballistic missile VLS on their quite large ongoing SSK class...essentially doubling the U-214 tonnage.
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Opportunity for Bangladesh Navy
Maritime drones or USVs can be a valuable and cost-effective option for smaller navies like the Bangladesh Navy (BN). These autonomous or remotely operated vehicles provide a range of capabilities and advantages that can help BN enhance its maritime security and operational effectiveness. Here are some key reasons why USVs can be a good option for BN :
a. Cost-Efficiency. Smaller navies often have limited budgets and resources. USVs can be a cost-effective solution compared to deploying and maintaining traditional manned vessels. They require fewer crew members, have lower operational and maintenance costs and can extend the operational lifespan of existing assets by reducing wear and tear.
b. Persistent Surveillance. USVs or maritime drones can conduct longendurance surveillance missions over vast ocean areas. They can provide persistent monitoring of maritime borders, exclusive economic zones (EEZs) and high-risk areas, enabling smaller navies to detect, track and respond to potential threats, such as illegal fishing, piracy, smuggling or hostile incursions.
c. Versatility. USVs come in various forms, including surface drones, underwater drones and aerial drones that can operate over the water. This versatility allows smaller navies to tailor their capabilities to specific mission requirements, such as anti-submarine warfare, mine countermeasures, hydrographic surveys or search and rescue operations.
d. Reduced Risk to Personnel. By using maritime drones for missions like mine hunting or reconnaissance, smaller navies can reduce the risk to their personnel who would otherwise be exposed to potential danger. This also allows for more flexible and less risk-averse mission planning.
e. Extended Reach. USVs can extend the reach of smaller navies by allowing them to cover larger areas and respond to incidents at a greater distance from their bases. This is particularly valuable for countries with vast coastlines or maritime interests in distant waters.
f. Force Multiplier. USVs can serve as force multipliers by complementing existing naval assets. They can be used in conjunction with manned vessels and aircraft to enhance overall operational capabilities without the need for large naval fleets.
g. Rapid Deployment. USVs can be rapidly deployed, reducing response times to emerging threats or incidents. Their ability to be launched quickly in response to developing situations is especially valuable in critical scenarios.
h. Covert Operations. USVs can be employed for covert or clandestine operations, gathering intelligence or monitoring activities without drawing attention to a navy’s assets. This is particularly useful in situations where discretion is required.
j. Technology Advancements. Advances in autonomous navigation, sensor technologies and communication systems have made maritime drones more capable and reliable. Smaller navies can leverage these technological developments to maintain a competitive edge.
While maritime drones offer numerous benefits to smaller navies like BN, their successful integration and operation require investments in training, maintenance and infrastructure. Additionally, international laws and regulations governing the use of these drones, especially in international waters, must be observed. Overall, USVs can significantly enhance the operational capabilities of BN and help it meet its maritime security objectives in a cost-effective manner.
Commodore Md Monir Uddin Mollick, (TAS), NPP, ndc, psc, BN
(THE EVOLUTION OF UNMANNED SURFACE VESSELS :
CHARTING NEW WATERS)
Maritime drones or USVs can be a valuable and cost-effective option for smaller navies like the Bangladesh Navy (BN). These autonomous or remotely operated vehicles provide a range of capabilities and advantages that can help BN enhance its maritime security and operational effectiveness. Here are some key reasons why USVs can be a good option for BN :
a. Cost-Efficiency. Smaller navies often have limited budgets and resources. USVs can be a cost-effective solution compared to deploying and maintaining traditional manned vessels. They require fewer crew members, have lower operational and maintenance costs and can extend the operational lifespan of existing assets by reducing wear and tear.
b. Persistent Surveillance. USVs or maritime drones can conduct longendurance surveillance missions over vast ocean areas. They can provide persistent monitoring of maritime borders, exclusive economic zones (EEZs) and high-risk areas, enabling smaller navies to detect, track and respond to potential threats, such as illegal fishing, piracy, smuggling or hostile incursions.
c. Versatility. USVs come in various forms, including surface drones, underwater drones and aerial drones that can operate over the water. This versatility allows smaller navies to tailor their capabilities to specific mission requirements, such as anti-submarine warfare, mine countermeasures, hydrographic surveys or search and rescue operations.
d. Reduced Risk to Personnel. By using maritime drones for missions like mine hunting or reconnaissance, smaller navies can reduce the risk to their personnel who would otherwise be exposed to potential danger. This also allows for more flexible and less risk-averse mission planning.
e. Extended Reach. USVs can extend the reach of smaller navies by allowing them to cover larger areas and respond to incidents at a greater distance from their bases. This is particularly valuable for countries with vast coastlines or maritime interests in distant waters.
f. Force Multiplier. USVs can serve as force multipliers by complementing existing naval assets. They can be used in conjunction with manned vessels and aircraft to enhance overall operational capabilities without the need for large naval fleets.
g. Rapid Deployment. USVs can be rapidly deployed, reducing response times to emerging threats or incidents. Their ability to be launched quickly in response to developing situations is especially valuable in critical scenarios.
h. Covert Operations. USVs can be employed for covert or clandestine operations, gathering intelligence or monitoring activities without drawing attention to a navy’s assets. This is particularly useful in situations where discretion is required.
j. Technology Advancements. Advances in autonomous navigation, sensor technologies and communication systems have made maritime drones more capable and reliable. Smaller navies can leverage these technological developments to maintain a competitive edge.
While maritime drones offer numerous benefits to smaller navies like BN, their successful integration and operation require investments in training, maintenance and infrastructure. Additionally, international laws and regulations governing the use of these drones, especially in international waters, must be observed. Overall, USVs can significantly enhance the operational capabilities of BN and help it meet its maritime security objectives in a cost-effective manner.
Commodore Md Monir Uddin Mollick, (TAS), NPP, ndc, psc, BN
(THE EVOLUTION OF UNMANNED SURFACE VESSELS :
CHARTING NEW WATERS)
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