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....The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis announced today that the goods and services deficit was $85.5 billion in May, down $1.1 billion from $86.7 billion in April, revised.....

Okay so how much of these US$ 1.1 billion is attributed towards China?
Naturally due to the Ukraine war & Covid causing an extensive inflation, the US consumer spending is going down - just as everywhere right now.
Additionally the US military goods sale (financed by the tax-payer, aka increase of State debt) in regards to Ukraine is also showing up on the "export"
 

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....The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis announced today that the goods and services deficit was $85.5 billion in May, down $1.1 billion from $86.7 billion in April, revised.....

Okay so how much of these US$ 1.1 billion is attributed towards China?
Naturally due to the Ukraine war & Covid causing an extensive inflation, the US consumer spending is going down - just as everywhere right now.
Additionally the US military goods sale (financed by the tax-payer, aka increase of State debt) in regards to Ukraine is also showing up on the "export"
Yeah, but when the Fed raises interest rates, it becomes more expensive to borrow money. This means that every loan, from buying a house, to buying a car, to credit cards, to student loans, will cost more. Borrowing costs for small and medium enterprises are also higher, so people will buy less products from CN.
 

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Yeah, but when the Fed raises interest rates, it becomes more expensive to borrow money. This means that every loan, from buying a house, to buying a car, to credit cards, to student loans, will cost more. Borrowing costs for small and medium enterprises are also higher, so people will buy less products from CN.
You and your China drive :D

It simply means that the world economy is facing problems, due to Covid and Ukraine and it effects everyone, not just China.
Germany's average interest rate for housing loans is 1% - therefore they had a real-estate price growth of 130% since 2015. imagine the disaster for the borrowers - if the central bank (most likely to happen very soon) raises it's interest rate to 2.5% - BOOOM
 

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You and your China drive :D

It simply means that the world economy is facing problems, due to Covid and Ukraine and it effects everyone, not just China.
Germany's average interest rate for housing loans is 1% - therefore they had a real-estate price growth of 130% since 2015. imagine the disaster for the borrowers - if the central bank (most likely to happen very soon) raises it's interest rate to 2.5% - BOOOM
According to China's Gray Book Report, the inventories of factories in the country are increasing, except for cars due to raising interest rates.

In China, memory chip maker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC) also said demand for consumer electronics and home appliances has plummeted.Raising interest rates making the World buy less CN's products.

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Global production decelerates – recession fears grow

09/07/2022 20:57
With commodity prices soaring and many central banks starting to raise interest rates, demand for a range of commodities is waning. The situation is slowing factory production and threatening the global economic outlook.



Spending momentum gradually erodes in the US and Europe

Consumer demand around the world is slowly fizzled out in the wake of rising prices and rising interest rates by central banks.

The US Federal Reserve (Fed) is trying to find a way to raise interest rates to curb inflation without pushing the economy into recession. “If the Fed can bring the economy to a soft landing, efforts to rebalance supply and demand will help ease price pressures,” said Kurt Rankin, senior economist at PNC Financial Services Group.

However, the Fed's effort to balance on the ropes is not easy, because according to Mr. Rankin, if demand falls too much, businesses will be forced to cut production and lay off workers. The economy would then be pushed back into recession.

In fact, the latest survey results from the Institute of Supply Management (ISM) show that the Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) in the US manufacturing sector has dropped from 56.1 points in May to 56.1 points in May. 53 points in June, the lowest level since June 2020. New orders recorded their first monthly decline in two years due to weak demand, while hiring in the manufacturing industry was also less positive. Expectations for future output are now falling to their lowest levels since October 2020.

Inflation, Fed rate hikes, uncertainty about the economic outlook and continued supply chain disruptions have weighed on US consumer sentiment. Household spending in May fell 0.4 percent and spending on goods fell 1.6 percent, according to data released by the US Department of Commerce last week. In particular, spending on durable goods, which have a shelf life of at least three years, fell 3.5% in May, to the lowest level since December 2021.

Notably, the cooling of demand for goods has not been able to help reduce the inflation rate, because the Russia-Ukraine conflict is causing global food and energy prices to rise sharply.

The picture is equally bleak in Europe, where high inflation is raging and the European Central Bank's (ECB) interest rate hikes are about to be deployed. According to a survey by S&P Global, the Eurozone manufacturing PMI fell from 54.6 in May to 52.1 in June, the lowest level since May. August 2020. This weakening momentum is expected to continue for the foreseeable future as new orders decline at the fastest rate since May 2020.

Consumer prices in the euro area rose 8.6% year-on-year in June, the European Union's statistical agency (Eurostat) said. The main reason was due to the escalation of energy prices (up 41.9%) and food prices (up 8.9%), while prices of manufactured goods also recorded a slight increase of 4.3%.

China recovering, but Asia future still bleak

The situation is also difficult in Asia, which has benefited greatly from a boom in demand for laptops and other electronic devices during the pandemic, when the trend of working remotely became more difficult. popular in the US and Europe.

In Japan, the manufacturing PMI index according to the latest survey of Jibun Bank fell from 53.3 in May to 52.7 in June. In Korea, the manufacturing PMI according to the survey of S&P Global also fell for a second straight month, to 51.3 in June, hit by congested supply and a strike by truckers.

India's PMI also showed factory output in the country grew at its slowest pace in nine months as rising price pressures curbed demand and output.

The biggest bright spot in the region is the fact that China's economy has begun to move towards recovery after the great shocks from the Covid-19 epidemic and prolonged blockade measures in many of the country's major economic centers. .

China's manufacturing PMI in June rose to 51.7, marking the first expansion in four months and much higher than analysts' expectations of 50.1, according to a Caixin survey. analysis.

However, the world's second-largest economy still faces many risks including cuts in consumer spending and fears of a new wave of infections. According to China's Gray Book Report, the inventories of factories in the country are increasing, except for cars.

Warning signals for the global economy


“We doubt the outlook for the manufacturing sector can improve in the short term,” said Andrew Hunter, senior economist at Capital Economics.

"We can expect the Chinese economy to pick up again after a period of weakness," said Yoshiki Shinke, chief economist at Japan's Dai-ichi Life Research Institute. However, there are risks of deceleration in the US and European economies. This will be a game of tug-of-war between the two sides, although the global economic outlook remains highly uncertain.”

Several other worrisome signs have surfaced earlier, including worrisome claims about weakening demand by the world's top chipmakers. Micron Technology Inc recently released a weaker-than-expected revenue forecast for the quarter, noting that the market has "weaked significantly over a very short period of time". In China, memory chip maker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC) also said demand for consumer electronics and home appliances has plummeted.

Besides, central banks also warned about interest rate hikes with heavy impact in the near future. At a meeting of central bankers in Portugal last week, Fed Chair Jerome Powell and ECB President Christine Lagarde made it clear that curbing inflation could take a heavy toll on the economy. , but it still needs to be done quickly to prevent further price escalations from becoming more persistent.

Efforts by central banks to raise interest rates also mean the possibility of a recession increases. A poll of economists conducted by Reuters last month found there was a 40% chance of a recession in the US in the next two years and a 25% chance of a recession within the next two years. next year. The recession in the world's largest economy will certainly entail negative effects on the global economy.

 

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Many CN's factories may have to close due to weak demand, million Cnese will lose jobs, US is winning by increase interest rate to kill CN's factories.

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New recession pressure emerges as factories in China lose orders
15:44 | 11/07/2022
Chinese manufacturers are starting to see a drop in demand for consumer goods in advanced economies. This could be a less optimistic signal for the global economy.

New recession pressure
European sales of coffee machine maker HiBrew (based in Guangdong province) are dwindling after a solid year. Last year, pent-up demand from global consumers helped boost sales of Chinese consumer goods.

According to General Manager Zeng Qiuping, HiBrew's revenue has dropped 30-40% this year, in contrast to last year's 70% growth. According to Mr. Zeng, orders from the US by other export companies are also decreasing.

He said the rising cost of living in the US and Europe as well as importers waiting for Washington to ease punitive tariffs on Chinese goods had driven down sales.

Elsewhere, freight rates have also begun to cool down after climbing to a record during the pandemic. This signals that demand for logistics is easing, CNBC quoted analysts as saying.

That's good news for export and import companies in the billion-population market, but it's also another red flag.


"New trends [in demand for consumer goods in advanced economies] are pointing to fresh recessionary pressures"

CNBC quoted analysts as saying.

While merchants previously had to deal with fluctuations and bottlenecks in supply chains, they are now grappling with declining demand, especially in advanced economies.

Shabsie Levy, founder of supply chain platform Shifl, said that in fact, spot ocean freight rates between China and the east and west coasts of the US have gone down.

According to Mr. Levy, the decline stems from the weakening of consumer demand in the US, and many large retailers such as Target, Home Depot, etc. have a large amount of inventory.

“Decreased retail demand has led to a sharp drop in spot shipping rates …”, Mr. Levy emphasized. I wouldn't call this slump in demand a recession, but things seem to be getting worse and worse."

Mr. Levy added: “…some of our customers are seeing sales decline, especially in high value and less essential items.”

Excess inventory

During the pandemic, container shipping costs have skyrocketed due to supply chain disruptions. Shifl said that spot sea freight rates between the world's two largest economies increased nearly 3.5 times between January 2020 and May this year.

Higher logistics costs force manufacturers to absorb or pass on to importers or consumers, thereby magnifying inflationary pressures globally.

But now, new export orders from China to the US have slowed and businesses like Samsung U.S. - the 7th largest importer in the US, halved orders for July.

According to Shifl, Target - the second largest US importer, also announced its intention to cut orders due to high inventories.


Even after the blockade order in Shanghai was lifted, shippers in China received only an unsatisfactory response from foreign importers, Levy said.

The Drewry Composite Container Shipping Index is down more than 30% since last September. Shipping costs on major routes - such as Shanghai to New York and Shanghai to Rotterdam - are down 24% compared to 2021.

On LinkedIn, economist Marc Levinson commented: “The US distribution system is full of goods. Inventory of enterprises in April increased by nearly 18% over the same period last year.

“The reason for the high inventory? Simply put, consumers are withdrawing their wallets. As shopping habits return to pre-pandemic norms, inflation reduces purchasing power and home sales stagnate, demand for consumer goods also falters,” explained Levinson.

According to the economist, this trend is visible in Europe, North America and parts of Asia.

Consumers tighten their wallets
Economists are noticing difficulties in people's demand and consumption spending.

As the cost of staples like food and water increases, American consumers don't have enough money to spend on other discretionary items, said Nathan Sheets, chief economist at Citi.

“My feeling is that consumers, especially those with low incomes, are starting to falter. We see this trend in discretionary consumption,” noted Sheets.

There are signs that commodity spending is currently "flattening" in advanced economies, said Jennifer McKeown, senior director at analytics firm Capital Economics.

While people are still spending money on services such as food and drink, demand for goods is "adversely affected by rising prices and central bank policy interest rates, prompting people to switch to buying groceries." more durable consumer goods,” Ms. McKeown said.

Yung-Yu Ma, director of investment strategy at BMO Wealth Management, also agrees.

According to Mr. Ma, the demand for goods is under three pressures at the same time, which is the public's shift to service consumption, the strained household budget due to inflation and the fear of an endless recession.


If the economic downturn is not too deep or prolonged, perhaps next spring, the supply and demand situation will match. On the other hand, if the recession is more severe, the problem with inventories will be more complicated.

 

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China Trade Surplus Surges to Record as Exports Accelerate​

China’s monthly trade surplus soared to a record $97.9 billion in June as export growth accelerated following the easing of anti-virus controls that shut down Shanghai and disrupted trade.


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BEIJING (AP) — China’s monthly trade surplus soared to a record $97.9 billion in June as export growth accelerated following the easing of anti-virus controls that temporarily shut down Shanghai and disrupted trade.

Exports rose 17.9% to $331.2 billion, up from May’s 16.9%, customs data showed Wednesday. Imports rose just 1% to $233.3 billion in a sign of weak domestic demand.

With almost no growth in imports, China's global trade surplus swelled by 90% compared with a year ago.

Exports to the United States surged 19.3% over a year ago to $56 billion despite lingering tariff hikes in a trade war over Beijing’s technology ambitions. Imports of American goods edged up 1.7% to $14.6 billion.

China’s politically volatile trade surplus with the United States widened by 26% from a year earlier to $41.4 billion. It was among irritants that prompted then-President Donald Trump to launch the trade fight by hiking import taxes.

 

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China Trade Surplus Surges to Record as Exports Accelerate​

China’s monthly trade surplus soared to a record $97.9 billion in June as export growth accelerated following the easing of anti-virus controls that shut down Shanghai and disrupted trade.


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BEIJING (AP) — China’s monthly trade surplus soared to a record $97.9 billion in June as export growth accelerated following the easing of anti-virus controls that temporarily shut down Shanghai and disrupted trade.

Exports rose 17.9% to $331.2 billion, up from May’s 16.9%, customs data showed Wednesday. Imports rose just 1% to $233.3 billion in a sign of weak domestic demand.

With almost no growth in imports, China's global trade surplus swelled by 90% compared with a year ago.

Exports to the United States surged 19.3% over a year ago to $56 billion despite lingering tariff hikes in a trade war over Beijing’s technology ambitions. Imports of American goods edged up 1.7% to $14.6 billion.

China’s politically volatile trade surplus with the United States widened by 26% from a year earlier to $41.4 billion. It was among irritants that prompted then-President Donald Trump to launch the trade fight by hiking import taxes.

Its the report from Jan to Jun, while US start raising interest rate from July


But now, new export orders from China to the US have slowed and businesses like Samsung U.S. - the 7th largest importer in the US, halved orders for July.
 

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Its the report from Jan to Jun, while US start raising interest rate from July


But now, new export orders from China to the US have slowed and businesses like Samsung U.S. - the 7th largest importer in the US, halved orders for July.
Since Samsung isn't producing in China anymore - but e.g. from Vietnam, then it would be Vietnam's economy that suffers from higher interest rates in the USA. ;)

Basically higher interest rates in the USA means, that they become even more reliant on cheap or affordable goods - e.g. from China, Vietnam and any other supplier/producer of such goods. In most European manufacturing countries the PMI of July 2022 is back to the level of June 2021 - around 15-20% minus. The US$ is more or less now on par with the Euro.
Meaning China can now buy European goods at far cheaper prices -15% - whilst USA has to pay more money +10% for their goods from China compared to 2021.
 
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Its the report from Jan to Jun, while US start raising interest rate from July


But now, new export orders from China to the US have slowed and businesses like Samsung U.S. - the 7th largest importer in the US, halved orders for July.
But US is about lifting tariff on Chinese goods, you believe Chinese exports will go down in the second half of the year? Virus outbreak now in China is pretty much contained after going rampant in the first half of the year, you wanna bet that Chinese exports will go down instead of going up?
 

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But US is about lifting tariff on Chinese goods, you believe Chinese exports will go down in the second half of the year? Virus outbreak now in China is pretty much contained after going rampant in the first half of the year, you wanna bet that Chinese exports will go down instead of going up?
Binden want to lift tariff on Chinese goods, but the others say No. Yeah, sure, if US keep raising interrest rate, then let's bet Chinese exports to US will go down.
 
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Since Samsung isn't producing in China anymore - but e.g. from Vietnam, then it would be Vietnam's economy that suffers from higher interest rates in the USA. ;)

True, Samsung has a huge stockpile of 50 million devices due to low demand, but Samsung also has memory plants in China, so both VN and CN are suffering now. But VN don't have trade war with US, so VN and US will find out the solution while US will be so happy to see more CN's factories close :p
Basically higher interest rates in the USA means, that they become even more reliant on cheap or affordable goods - e.g. from China, Vietnam and any other supplier/producer of such goods. In most European manufacturing countries the PMI of July 2022 is back to the level of June 2021 - around 15-20% minus. The US$ is more or less now on par with the Euro.
Meaning China can now buy European goods at far cheaper prices -15% - whilst USA has to pay more money +10% for their goods from China compared to 2021.
Yeah..but US people will only buy necessary things like food, shoes, clothes that the factories in Vietnam can provide enough in cheap price for them while they will not buy too many unnecessary things like phone or drone (mainly made in CN) etc.
 

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True, Samsung has a huge stockpile of 50 million devices due to low demand, but Samsung also has memory plants in China, so both VN and CN are suffering now. But VN don't have trade war with US, so VN and US will find out the solution while US will be so happy to see more CN's factories close
There are no Samsung owned manufacturing plants in China - but a Chinese company manufacturing parts for Samsung solely for the Chinese market.
I would agree with @xizhimen, that chances for the Biden administration to chancel most if not all add on taxes is rather high.
Yeah..but US people will only buy necessary things like food, shoes, clothes that the factories in Vietnam can provide enough in cheap price for them while they will not buy too many unnecessary things like phone or drone (mainly made in CN) etc.
Have you been to the USA for a longer period?
US consumer spending habits aren't just about devouring a 16inch (1inch thick) soja cheese pizza with a gallon cup of pop corn and 2 liters of Coke Cola. It's about their entire lifestyle based on debts/credits. Houses, Car's, TV's, all electronic and computer appliances, white-ware, brown-ware, furniture, their daily dozen of tabletts, the entire DIY sector, basically everything they want (not need) - finally also including shoes and textiles.
I don't have a statistic at hand right now, but AFAIK since about 2018 - more then 70% of Chinese goods are related to US OEM's, manufacturing companies - not DIY or Walmart etc. (that was before 2015). e.g. 90% of the US pharmacy industry relies onto Chinese products, same goes for car maintenance/workshop equipment etc. etc.
As such inflation and a rise in interest rates - doesn't stop the US citizen and it's society from living on credit. On the contra due to the reduction of buying power of the US$ - they are even more in need for imports - benefiting China and all other low cost manufacturers.
 

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There are no Samsung owned manufacturing plants in China - but a Chinese company manufacturing parts for Samsung solely for the Chinese market.
I would agree with @xizhimen, that chances for the Biden administration to chancel most if not all add on taxes is rather high.
Okay, and Samsung has a huge stockpile of 50 million devices, so those factories in CN that manufacturing parts for Samsung also suffer and soon will lay off hundreds to thousand workers cos Samsung don't need more parts right now. Iphone sale in CN also drop while Xiaomi start fleeing to VN.

Have you been to the USA for a longer period?
US consumer spending habits aren't just about devouring a 16inch (1inch thick) soja cheese pizza with a gallon cup of pop corn and 2 liters of Coke Cola. It's about their entire lifestyle based on debts/credits. Houses, Car's, TV's, all electronic and computer appliances, white-ware, brown-ware, furniture, their daily dozen of tabletts, the entire DIY sector, basically everything they want (not need) - finally also including shoes and textiles.
I don't have a statistic at hand right now, but AFAIK since about 2018 - more then 70% of Chinese goods are related to US OEM's, manufacturing companies - not DIY or Walmart etc. (that was before 2015). e.g. 90% of the US pharmacy industry relies onto Chinese products, same goes for car maintenance/workshop equipment etc. etc.
As such inflation and a rise in interest rates - doesn't stop the US citizen and it's society from living on credit. On the contra due to the reduction of buying power of the US$ - they are even more in need for imports - benefiting China and all other low cost manufacturers.
As I said , My company has both American and Chinese partners. For now, US patner just suspend their operation outside US while CN partner want us to sell more their products in VN , so I meet alot of American and Chinese even when I just stay in VN.

As I know, many American staff lost jobs due to the company suspend their operation outside US, so they won't have much money to buy new cars, new phones, new furnitures etc, they just try to survive now, increasing interest rate kill their jobs, bro.
 

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Samsung reduces the number of working days of Vietnamese workers

10/06/2022'

As noted by ETNews, Samsung Electronics has just adjusted the number of working days of Vietnamese workers. This seems to be an adjustment in the company's previous plan to cut smartphone production.


Vietnam is Samsung's largest smartphone production base on the planet, accounting for 60% of total annual output. Therefore, the production situation in our country reflects a lot of the business strategy of the Korean company.

Recently, it was discovered that Samsung has reduced the number of working days of smartphone factory workers from 5 to 3 days a week. According to Samsung, the working schedule will be 3 or 4 days depending on the production plan. Many of Samsung's partners are also unable to avoid the impact when the company reduces output, reducing the number of working days.

According to the report, supply partners also have to reduce their targets for smartphone electronic components as well as their working frequency to catch up with Samsung's plan. Some even downgraded their revenue outlook for the second quarter, signaling a tough time as the world's biggest smartphone maker cuts production.

Korean newspaper: Samsung reduces the number of working days of Vietnamese workers
Samsung is about to launch a new generation of folding screen phones, but it reduces the number of working days of Vietnamese workers instead of overtime

Previously, Samsung had planned to produce 334 million units in 2022. But recently it has reduced its shipment target to 270 to 280 million units. And not only cutting the number of working days at the Vietnamese factory, Samsung is said to also reduce the labor intensity in the Indian and Brazilian factories. It is estimated that India accounts for 20-30% of total production, and Brazil about 15%.

This adjustment is considered unusual. According to analysts, the company cut production just before the upcoming Galaxy Z foldable flagship series, which is scheduled to announce in August. According to them, it seems that the mobile division Korean company is in a crisis.

Recently, the group has conducted an internal audit to assess the risks of the business environment as well as the internal enterprise. On Samsung's side, an official said that they adjust flexibly and regularly, based on market reactions.

 

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Okay, and Samsung has a huge stockpile of 50 million devices, so those factories in CN that manufacturing parts for Samsung also suffer and soon will lay off hundreds to thousand workers cos Samsung don't need more parts right now. Iphone sale in CN also drop while Xiaomi start fleeing to VN.
Hundreds of thousands??? were do you get your figures from? A friend of mine (Singaporean) is running a company in Suzhou that used to be a prime supplier to Samsung Suzhou and Samsung Huizhou till 2019. Samsung Huizhou in 1999 had at it's highest peak around 5000 workers and in 2015 less then 2000.
The Chinese run manufacturer that took over this entire former Samsung manufacturing business for China in 2020 has less then 1400 people working on his Samsung line at present.
 
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Hundreds of thousands??? were do you get your figures from? A friend of mine (Singaporean) is running a company in Suzhou that used to be a prime supplier to Samsung Suzhou and Samsung Huizhou till 2019. Samsung Huizhou in 1999 had at it's highest peak around 5000 workers and in 2015 less then 2000.
The Chinese run manufacturer that took over this entire former Samsung manufacturing business for China in 2020 has less then 1400 people working on his Samsung line at present.
hundreds to thousand, bro. I mean the boss in CN may have to lay off hundred workers or even thousand ones due to weak demand for phones.

Not only phone, people also reduce to buy other unnecessary products like furniture, home appliances , laptop etc and of course bosses in CN will have to lay off hundreds to thousands more workers, working in home appliances , laptop factories.


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China chipmaker SMIC says phone, PC demand has dropped 'like a rock'​

CEO says Ukraine war, China lockdowns to wipe 200m units off handset shipments
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Top China chipmaker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. issued a gloomy outlook for consumer electronics demand on May 13, saying it sees no sign of a recovery anytime soon. © AP
CHENG TING-FANG and LAULY LI, Nikkei Asia tech correspondentsMay 13, 2022 11:48 JSTUpdated on May 13, 2022 12:23 JST
TAIPEI -- Top Chinese chipmaker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co. says demand for mobile phones, personal computers and home appliances has dropped "like a rock" and shows no signs of recovering.


 

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CN's real estate crisis is too bad now and risks of bad debt for banks is also too high due to trade war and high interrest rate

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Chinese Homebuyers Across 22 Cities Refuse to Pay Mortgages​

  • Home loan payment halts may cause $83 billion of bad debt
  • China Construction Bank, Postal Bank, ICBC may be more exposed
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July 13, 2022 at 9:40 AM GMT+7Updated onJuly 13, 2022 at 1:21 PM GMT+7

Across China, homebuyers are refusing to pay mortgages as property developers drag on construction projects, escalating the country’s real estate crisis and risks of bad debt for banks.
Buyers of 35 projects across 22 cities have decided to stop paying mortgages as of July 12 due to project delays and a drop in real estate prices, Citigroup Inc. analysts led by Griffin Chan wrote in a research report distributed on Wednesday.

The payment refusals underscore how the storm engulfing China’s property sector is now affecting the country’s middle class, posing a threat to social stability. Chinese banks already grappling with challenges from liquidity stress among developers now also have to brace for homebuyer defaults.

Delivery Delays​

Many Chinese cities are seeing delays in completion of new homes

Source: Citi Research, China Real Estate Information Corp.

Now is “a critical time for social stability,” said Chan, adding that “the forgoing of down payments may bring social instability.”
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A drop in home values hasn’t helped. Average selling prices of properties in nearby projects in 2022 were on average 15% lower than purchase costs in the past three years, according to Citigroup’s research.

The contagion is spreading to banks. Non-performing loans triggered by the wave of mortgage payment snubs could reach as much as 561 billion yuan ($83 billion), about 1.4% of the outstanding mortgage balance, according to Chan.
While the overall impact on banks will be “manageable,” state lenders including China Construction Bank Corp., Postal Savings Bank of China Co. and Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. may have more exposure to mortgages, and could suffer setbacks amid dampened investor sentiment, Chan wrote.

Postal Savings Bank’s shares fell 3.3% as of 2 p.m. in Shanghai, while ICBC declined 2%. The CSI 300 Banks Index fell as much as 2.7%, the most since April 25.
For Chinese banks, the non-performing loan ratio of mortgages was well below the level of other forms of lending, according to the banking regulator. At China Construction Bank, only 0.2% of its residential mortgages were bad as of December, compared with 1.42% for total loans.
The latest development comes at a time when renewed risks of Covid restrictions also pose a threat to the industry. A key real estate index fell for a third day Wednesday, heading for the lowest level since March.
Read: How China’s property bond plunge is spreading
A Bloomberg index of China’s high-yield dollar bonds fell to the lowest in a decade as of Tuesday. Domestic bonds of large property developers, including Gemdale Corp. and Country Garden Holdings Co., also slumped to record lows.

 

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hundreds to thousand, bro. I mean the boss in CN may have to lay off hundred workers or even thousand ones due to weak demand for phones.
Okay, my bad, I was already getting used to your hundreds of thousands and millions starving in China :)

I have no idea about SMIC's portfolio - as for Samsung, I wouldn't know off any of my Chinese or Foreigner associates/friends having an e.g. Samsung i-phone.

Also in regards to Chinese home-buyer issues - it depends as to what region and which property company. Here in Shanghai is a company called Vanke - a bit more expensive then others but far better quality and management. E.g. 1 place 2 years ago selling for 6,500,000 - now selling for 10,000,000 and in my compound same developer 1 year ago 5,400,000 now 6,200,000.
 

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Okay, my bad, I was already getting used to your hundreds of thousands and millions starving in China :)

I have no idea about SMIC's portfolio - as for Samsung, I wouldn't know off any of my Chinese or Foreigner associates/friends having an e.g. Samsung i-phone.
As I know, Samsung is still one of the best selling in the US. Many of my American partners use Samsung due to big screen with cool sylus pen plus good battery and they don't have to worry about spyware like using CN's phones (Xiaomi, Oppo )

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Also in regards to Chinese home-buyer issues - it depends as to what region and which property company. Here in Shanghai is a company called Vanke - a bit more expensive then others but far better quality and management. E.g. 1 place 2 years ago selling for 6,500,000 - now selling for 10,000,000 and in my compound same developer 1 year ago 5,400,000 now 6,200,000.
You know, the rich is always getting richer while the poor (CN workers, farmers etc) will keep becoming poorer as factories keep leaving CN plus weak demand due to high interrest rate, so no surprise when Vanke can sell more luxury houses. Same things happening in VN when luxury house sales still up even when poor workers like Samsung workers earn less money due to less working days.

The rich will not suffer anything , only the poor will . Trade war is killing 600 millions poor Cnese, high interest rate will kill the poor in all around the World, not the rich, even not the rich in N.Korea.
 

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