Biden Preparing to Declare That Atrocities Against Armenia Were Genocide

[Ryder]

Every civilisation and empire practised Slavery.

Europeans just love to pat themselves on the back for abolishing it

 

[Test7]

Dear members;

All off topic and aggressive posts have been deleted. Please stay on topic.

 

[Barry]

Really need to stop using Europeans as a single monolithic entity.

 

[Deliorman]

The support of armenian lies is to push for greater armenia.

The support of pkk/ypg seperatist kurdish terrorist groups is the push for a greater kurdistan.

The theft of Turkish seas and unconditional support towards greek claims is a push towards greater greece.

What these thieves could not achieve a hundred years ago, they still wish to implement. As Turkey becomes more active, more determined to fight her enemies the onslaught against Turkey will increase.

They thought that feto/ak party would break Turkey up without a gunshot being fired, it hasnt worked out for them and the Turkish stubbornness will not submit. Erdogan was their agent and it backfired greatly for them.

Europeans including their cousins in Russia, America, Australia, New Zealand and Africa make no efforts to recognise each others global genocides. They hide each others crimes.

You are right about almost everything... Unfortunately their puppets managed to destroy Turkey- it’s economy and it’s Institutions, they managed to isolate it and turn it into a laughing stock of the world. Our enemies should thank Erdogan and AKP day and night because thanks to them they are closer to their Greater Armenia/Greece/Kurdistan dreams than ever before.

But whatever- we can’t change anything.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386010816756002819

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386279525537959940

Both the akp and chp need to f off.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1385984977733656580

Erdogan just loves bending the knee. Pathetic is all I can.

 

[Glass🚬]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1385984977733656580

Erdogan just loves bending the knee. Pathetic is all I can.

we will see

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386375291489198085

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386294425542926336

Ver Mehteri Ver!!

 

[Waz]

Press Release – Ministry of Foreign Affairs

mofa.gov.pk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386370203743752193

 

[Mustafa27]

There is this document for people who want to get more information about what happened in 1915 with bibliography: https://www.mfa.gov.tr/data/DISPOLITIKA/ErmeniIddialari/ArmenianClaimsandHistoricalFacts.pdf

Leaving aside the Armenian figures, which are evidently exaggerated, the western estimates vary between 1,056,000 and 1,555,000 which more or less correspond with the official Ottoman census report of 1,295,000. How, then, could 1,5 million Armenians have been massacred even had every Armenian in the Empire been killed, which of course did not happen?

Therefore, what are the real Armenian losses? Talat Pasha, in a report presented to the last congress of the Union and Progress Party, stated that this number was estimated at around 300.000. Monseigneur Touchet, a French clergyman, informed the congress of "Oeuevre d'Orient" in February 1916, that the number of dead is thought to be 500.000, but added that this figure might have been exaggerated.

Toynbee estimates the number of the Armenian losses as 600.000. The same figure appears in the Encyclopedia Britannica's 1918 edition. Armenians had also claimed the same number before. Bogos Noubar, head of the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference, declared that after the war 280.000 Armenians were living in Turkey and 700.000 Armenians have emigrated to other countries. According to the estimation of Bogos Noubar, the total number of the Armenian population before the war was 1.300.000. Therefore, it can be concluded that the number of the Armenian losses was around 300.000. This figure reflects the same proportion, according to their total population, of the 3 million loss of Turkish lives during the same period. Once more, facts do not correspond with the Armenian claims.

 

[Akhtar]

Absolutely mental comment.

In time the white christian will even ban Islam with this mindset. Armenians attempted genocide against the Muslims with Russian/British backing, they failed. Instead of treating these people like the hostile enemies they are, you political islamists will bend the knee and take it deep.

People talking as if the Karabagh war didnt happen yesterday. Armenians lied day and night even claiming a new genocide that Turkey was committing in Yerevan itself, while at the same time the armenian criminal state was launching ballistic missiles on civilians centres.

These political endeavours are about taking everything from the Turks and with that the Muslims.

No, it's really the best outcome other than Biden not recognizing it at all. The americans already recognize it for decades, Biden just made it official. He didn't put any blame on modern Turkey at all. That's why he said 'Ottoman Era' and 'Constantinople'. Erdogan did the right thing in his statement for the Armenians, realpolitik. It is really not an issue.

The main concern is how the current government will shoot itself in the foot when proceeding. They always have something retarded. Like recognizing Abkhazia in the hopes Russia does same for us:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1372226505724596228

 

[Kaptaan]

That makes them really based.

?

 

[Ryder]

?

Based means cool the person who does not give a f what people think of them.

 

[Kaptaan]

Based means cool the person who does not give a f what people think of them.

Ah okay, thanks.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386103621608099842

This Kahpe just made the Ottoman Empire even more based

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1388154211855130624

 

[Saiyan0321]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386103621608099842

This Kahpe just made the Ottoman Empire even more based

1915 Ottoman Empire was Islamist? Thats news to me. These guys have little to no knowledge of history and the societal revolutions that happened in various states or were underrgoing during that period. Basically her sense was that it was Muslim Empire, had a caliph, deaths of non-muslims, thus it was "Islamist" During that period when the reality is completely opposite. Even historians cite the reasons for the actions against armenians were less religious and more ethnic and nationalist especially considering the growing concern that many armenians may side with Russia and ofcourse as the war continued and the conditiuons within the army deteriorated, many left the army to come home and this was especially demonized in the cases of greek and armenians., Enver Pasha was not an Islamist. He was heavily pan-Turkish or Pan-Turanist. One of the most greatest evidence is this that in most correspondence of these incidents and in the recordings, the terms are used in nationalist tones aka Turks and Armenians. Not Christians and Muslims. In nowhere did Talat Pasha proclaim that this is Dar-Ul-Islam and we are kicking the kaffirs out. Infact one example of such could be the Afghan invasion in Kaffirstan where the inhabitants were either exiled or slaughtered and the region renamed Nuristan. The recordings and the stories of the event have highlight religious undertone which is extremely absent in Ottoman Turkey 1915.

I am not saying that there wouldnt be groups who saw them as infidels in an Islamic land but i absolute refuse to believe its mainstream existence as is propagated by some groups when Armenian Genocide is discussed. Infact in recent years, this Islamist concept of Ottoman in 1900s is growing due to the constant fearmongering that is done against Erdogan and how he wants to establish another Caliphate and bring forth the Ottoman Empire. This fearmongering is painted even more so by stating that he wants to bring back an "Islamist" empire.

It is now the duty of historians to combat this revisionism and actually discuss the socio-political situation of the Ottoman empire in the 20th Century. All in all the tweet reeks of misinformation and old biases.

 

[Ryder]

1915 Ottoman Empire was Islamist? Thats news to me. These guys have little to no knowledge of history and the societal revolutions that happened in various states or were underrgoing during that period. Basically her sense was that it was Muslim Empire, had a caliph, deaths of non-muslims, thus it was "Islamist" During that period when the reality is completely opposite. Even historians cite the reasons for the actions against armenians were less religious and more ethnic and nationalist especially considering the growing concern that many armenians may side with Russia and ofcourse as the war continued and the conditiuons within the army deteriorated, many left the army to come home and this was especially demonized in the cases of greek and armenians., Enver Pasha was not an Islamist. He was heavily pan-Turkish or Pan-Turanist. One of the most greatest evidence is this that in most correspondence of these incidents and in the recordings, the terms are used in nationalist tones aka Turks and Armenians. Not Christians and Muslims. In nowhere did Talat Pasha proclaim that this is Dar-Ul-Islam and we are kicking the kaffirs out. Infact one example of such could be the Afghan invasion in Kaffirstan where the inhabitants were either exiled or slaughtered and the region renamed Nuristan. The recordings and the stories of the event have highlight religious undertone which is extremely absent in Ottoman Turkey 1915.

I am not saying that there wouldnt be groups who saw them as infidels in an Islamic land but i absolute refuse to believe its mainstream existence as is propagated by some groups when Armenian Genocide is discussed. Infact in recent years, this Islamist concept of Ottoman in 1900s is growing due to the constant fearmongering that is done against Erdogan and how he wants to establish another Caliphate and bring forth the Ottoman Empire. This fearmongering is painted even more so by stating that he wants to bring back an "Islamist" empire.

It is now the duty of historians to combat this revisionism and actually discuss the socio-political situation of the Ottoman empire in the 20th Century. All in all the tweet reeks of misinformation and old biases.

The term islamists did not even exist at those times.

They think every Islamic empire was Islamist. Thats how stupid people can be when they apply modern terms to the past.

I even seen people claiming that Prophet Muhammed and Prophet Jesus were socialists.

Its so ridiculous and pathetic.

 

[dani92]

i like it very much, it is slap to the all delusional turkish citizens which worships western secular moral values.

What does this have to do with secularism?

 

[dani92]

The term islamists did not even exist at those times.

They think every Islamic empire was Islamist. Thats how stupid people can be when they apply modern terms to the past.

I even seen people claiming that Prophet Muhammed and Prophet Jesus were socialists.

Its so ridiculous and pathetic.

Islamist is just a taqyia code name for Muslims because when you tell them what is an Islamist they say the one who believes Islamist should be made the law of everyday life, well this is the desire of every true Muslim in the world.