TR Marine Blue Homeland(Mavi Vatan)

[Iskander]

The French ship responsible for laying the electricity cable is set to depart on Monday after France sent a formal notice to Turkey. Sadly, I believe that this is a trap since the goal isnt to supply Greek Cyprus with electricity from Greece but to transfer Israeli electricity to Europe through Greece. If this project comes to fruition, I wouldnt be surprised if the EU stopped purchasing Gas through Turkish pipeline even if it is way cheaper than the Israeli counterpart as long as Turkey gets to suffer since this is how Europe operates after all

Greek media already reported that the current cable laying operation is only the first phase with the second one involving connectinb both Greek Cyprus and Israel

Fortunately, your predictions do not always come true

 

[Lool]

Fortunately, your predictions do not always come true

Which part of my predictions isnt true?

 

[Iskander]

Which part of my predictions isnt true?

Just a tiny fraction—so small, in fact, that it might go entirely unnoticed.
Then again, who among us hasn’t made mistakes? Even a prominent forecaster like Fukuyama once got it wrong—and on a truly crucial issue, at that. You surely remember that, don’t you?
And what about Friedman? He went so far as to predict that Russia would fall apart by 2020! And what happened? Ten years later, we see all of Europe trembling in fear of the Russians 🫢.
By the way, do you remember that American preacher who predicted the end of the world 🫣 at the turn of the new millennium?
That was quite a story.

 

[Lool]

Just a tiny fraction—so small, in fact, that it might go entirely unnoticed.
Then again, who among us hasn’t made mistakes? Even a prominent forecaster like Fukuyama once got it wrong—and on a truly crucial issue, at that. You surely remember that, don’t you?
And what about Friedman? He went so far as to predict that Russia would fall apart by 2020! And what happened? Ten years later, we see all of Europe trembling in fear of the Russians 🫢.
By the way, do you remember that American preacher who predicted the end of the world 🫣 at the turn of the new millennium?
That was quite a story.

Again, what part of my prediction was wrong?
Please elaborate if possible

The part about linking the electricity cable linking Cyprus to Israel or the part about France sending a written notification to Turkey regarding the cable laying operations?

 

[Iskander]

Again, what part of my prediction was wrong?
Please elaborate if possible

The part about linking the electricity cable linking Cyprus to Israel or the part about France sending a written notification to Turkey regarding the cable laying operations?

A mistake? No, that can’t be right—I don’t usually make such categorical statements. You know, what likely happened is this: I wrote the post in another language, translated it, and then published it.
And the result? The translation tool introduced an inaccuracy.
So, it turns out the translation service is to blame!

My dear colleague, please accept my apologies

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2119750008639832248

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2119750008639832248

This Forum needs a dislike button @mods.

 

[Perun]

A mistake? No, that can’t be right—I don’t usually make such categorical statements. You know, what likely happened is this: I wrote the post in another language, translated it, and then published it.
And the result? The translation tool introduced an inaccuracy.
So, it turns out the translation service is to blame!

My dear colleague, please accept my apologies

Real gentleman

 

[GoatsMilk]

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2120507591784612227

So what happened to Mavi Vatan the Blue Homeland?

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2120507591784612227

So what happened to Mavi Vatan the Blue Homeland?

Or what we get in return ?

 

[Polat]

Or what we get in return ?

Weren't we in talks for a Samp/t air defense with the France and Italians?
Also it kind of reinforces that they need our permission to do projects in our waters.

 

[Saithan]

EF is in production, they could pull another F35 on us. Until we have KAAN flying fully loaded we will face stunt like this.

 

[Iskander]

EF is in production, they could pull another F35 on us. Until we have KAAN flying fully loaded we will face stunt like this.

If Erdogan decides to purchase air defense systems from Russia again, it could very well happen.
It’s logical to assume that this time, the discussion would center on the S-500 system. 🫢

 

[Saithan]

If Erdogan decides to purchase air defense systems from Russia again, it could very well happen.
It’s logical to assume that this time, the discussion would center on the S-500 system. 🫢

No that's where you are wrong. EU needs even less excuse to pull sanctions on us. Also who produces the Meteor missiles that we want for those EF ? France.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

So what happened to Mavi Vatan the Blue Homeland?

As Admiral Yayci had mentioned earlier on:

We don't have to block research vessels or projects to be conducted by neighbouring countries.

However, it's imperative that every side knows who has the say and to whom does it belong to and with whom you'd have to take permission to do whatever you're gonna do there. That's Mavi Vatan.

That's our stance at the moment, also, nothing but research or mapping is being done at the moment and when it comes to the execution of the project, we'll cross that bridge when we're there.

 

[Saithan]

Being able to send an OPV to supervise the work inside our EEZ would also be a show of force. It would especially send the right signal.

Presence is also power projection. Everyone can play nice and pretend they ask for permission but when things get tough who can show force by being present in the area truly shows who owns it.

 

[Iskander]

As Admiral Yayci had mentioned earlier on:

We don't have to block research vessels or projects to be conducted by neighbouring countries.

However, it's imperative that every side knows who has the say and to whom does it belong to and with whom you'd have to take permission to do whatever you're gonna do there. That's Mavi Vatan.

That's our stance at the moment, also, nothing but research or mapping is being done at the moment and when it comes to the execution of the project, we'll cross that bridge when we're there.

Do you happen to remember when the admiral said that? Was it a long time ago?
A lot has changed in the seven years since the agreement with Libya was signed—especially lately. I’m referring to everything that has taken place in the Middle East: wars involving Iran, a noticeable decline in U.S. influence in the region, the formation of the "Mecca" alliance, and so on.
It would be interesting to know whether the admiral’s opinion has changed since then.
In my view, Ankara will not grant consent for the laying of cables on the seabed. If Ankara were to provide such consent, the other side would likely consider it perfectly legitimate to also lay a gas pipeline along the seabed—without even bothering to seek anyone else’s opinion.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2121168806982640112

It has emerged that a Turkish warship is monitoring the French vessel *Abeille Marengo*, which is conducting a seabed survey as part of an undersea power cable project between Greece and the Greek Cypriot Administration.

The Turkish frigate TCG *Gökova* is observing the operations of the *Abeille Marengo*—for which Turkey has granted permission—from a distance of 24 nautical miles.

The *Abeille Marengo* is being escorted by the Greek warships *Nikiforos Fokas* and *Limnos*.

 

[Saithan]

I trust TN knows the appropriate distance for what's going on. IMO TCG should have been there as well, even conduct a brodering action. To check papers.