Canada Navy Canada Surface Combatant (CSC) Program

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Put "one over" right......where's your substantiation of that eh? The simple fact is that the prime contractor expected to build a substantially smaller vessel in tonnage when they signed the combat package contract and the government years later bloated so the prime contractor has gone back to the government for more funds. In project management if the client continues to make changes that violates the budget then you are certainly in your rights to ask for more funds. You don't have to agree with it because you have your mind made up. Why do you think they are in contract talks right now? You are right nothing has been signed except for years of effort to design the ship, and agreements in place with all the suppliers to supply the systems. Systems are getting built for these ships right now BTW. The government has gone all in on these ships and they are getting produced despite what Pugliese, Hansen and what you say.

Put "one over" right......where's your substantiation of that eh?
No substantiation required on any opinion expressed. IMO, Irving should never have agreed to this program if they weren't prepared to build these ships before the design phase was completed. They must have known well before that these "Frigates" would naturally grow in tonnage because of the design process and should have accounted for that in their figures before accepting the governments requirements when they were selected as the CSC ship builders. Irving is not stupid, and they have no one to blame but themselves. It is far too far down the road for the government to pull out now, however, IMO the government should cut their losses and pull out of Irving and given the project to "another" NSS yard ASAP! The Canadian government also has much to be ashamed of as well. They have been asleep at the helm for far too long when it comes to shipbuilding. The government just does not know how to build naval ships! A few programs have maintained such as the AOPS and some Canadian Coast Guard (CCG) programs that have kept marginal pace at best. But we lost sight of what lays over the horizon when it comes to the Halifax class replacement program and the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) Frigates, the new AORs (JSS Protecteur class) which all seem to be well over budget and far behind schedule or still in the design phase. Not to mention the Polar class icebreaker (Diefenbaker class) acquisition for the CCG and where does the Victoria class submarine replacement program stand? The National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS) seems to be just that. A "strategy" that does not seem to be “off-the-ground” as yet.

 

[Isa Khan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583469839162945537

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583469839162945537

Hello Isa Khan: Here is the latest LM CSC Type 26 graphic design look so far. As you can see the "Frigate" is a bit longer and heavier as well. Cheers!

 

[Calculus]

Latest CSC infographic:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/rcn-mrc/documents/ships/csc-factsheet-2022-2.pdf

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Latest CSC infographic:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/rcn-mrc/documents/ships/csc-factsheet-2022-2.pdf

Thanks for that Calculus.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Hello everyone. Here are a couple of recent videos of the launching and drydocking of HMS Glasgow City class Type 26 frigate for your enjoyment. Cheers!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...09A191C2EC0C92EAE32109A191C2EC0C9&FORM=WRVORC

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

do we have the final spec of this ships already??

I heard the baseline model will be a beast with
-AN/SPY-7
-CMS-330
-24xVLS for surface strike (900km LRASM or 1500km Tomahawk)
-48 cell for Sea Ceptor
-1x127mm
-2xPhalanx
-2x30mm autocannon
-3x324mm torpedo

very interesting, will be one of the most heavily armed surface combatant in the next 20 years, can't wait to see these fine boats in service on their respective navies.

Hello Gary. Here is an update on what is now known on the CSC Type 26 Frigates:

"Here is the latest update as of 27 April 2023 for the CSC Type 26 Frigate weapons & systems design. Notice that the number of MK 41 VLS Cells has been dropped to 24 Cells vice 32. Also the mast is much taller. The crew size seems to have increased as well from 204 to 210 personnel. Also notice the tonnage has increased to 8,080 tonnes although that will not be the full-load weight (probably around 9,400 tonnes)":
1. 1 X LM Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 3 Phased Array Air Search Radar-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM).
2. 1 X Solid State AESA "X" Band Illumination Radar supported by MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA) in Richmond British Columbia-below the SPY 7 (V) 3 radar mast, with integration into the CMS 330 system-this may be an MDA built radar or IMO it may be an existing radar from Thales (possibly the Sea Fire 500 AESA Phased Array Radar) however MDA is not talking. Any enlightenment on this radar from any forum members, would be appreciated.
3. "X" & "S" Band Navigation Radars.
4. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Electronic Warfare Suite System & Chaff launchers.
5. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Laser Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking).
6. 24 x MK 41 strike length VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3/6 (fitted for, but not with); Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM).
7. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/ Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF).
8. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system and magazine with twin launcher tubes.
9. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS)
10. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for CIADS (could also be increased to 12 x 4 ExLS cells).
11. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM-Port/Stbd Above Mission Bay.
12. Main Gun: 1 x 5 inch Leonardo Oto Melara 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun. This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions – both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – and conventional ammunition.
13. Secondary Guns: 2 x MARLIN 30 Stabilized Rapid Fire 30mm 174 ATK MK44 Naval Gun Systems (from Leonardo-Port/Stbd of Flight Deck) with RC-Remotely Controlled; COAX-"Coaxial Electro-Optical Sensor Suite" and ILOS-Independent Line Of Site able to fire HE-High Explosive/AP-Armor-Piercing/TP-Target Practice/ABM-Air Burst Munitions. ROF-Rate Of Fire-SS-Single Shot/100-200 RPMs; Day & IR Camera. MER-Maximum Effective Range-3500 Meters. Effective against any surface threats/Helicopters and Drones. Outstanding accuracy and precision; automatic Duel-Feed system; Stealthy Design; Video Tracking Capability; High reliability and ease of maintenance with no deck penetration.
14. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System; Integrated Bridge & Navigation System from OSI.
15. Internal/Secure External Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris.
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESM) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Countermeasures System; Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems.
17 CMS: Lockheed Martin CMS 330/Aegis Combat System (ACS) in support of Co-operative Engagement Capability (CEC).
18. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150.
19. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar; Towed Torpedo Countermeasures-Sea Sentor S21700.
20. Ultra Electronics Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) known as Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar-(TLFAS), the system is designed to identify and track stealthy submarines in harsh sea environments.
21. Sonobouy Processing System (SPS) from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures.
22. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine (CODLOG) Propulsion System to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System from L3 Harris.
23. CSC Reconfigurable Multi-Mission Bay-featuring reconfigurable mission and boat bays including a 9m rescue boat, two 9-12m multi-role boats, Rolls Royce’ mission bay handling system, and modular mission support (standard 20 ft sea containers, vehicles, boats) capacity.
24. 1 x CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky (S-92) ASW Helicopter; SKELDAR V200 UAV systems (possibly x 2) from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle".
25. Speed-approximately 27-30 kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR) required this capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops.
26. Crew Compliment-210 max crew (fitted with separate female quarters)

 

[Ted Barnes]

"The Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) project recently achieved another major design milestone. In April, 16 sailors from coast to coast arrived at the Human Performance Lab in Dahlgren, Virginia where they participated in the validation of a full-scale mock up of a selected Operations Room Layout. This exercise was the culmination of a detailed design process, and the CSC Project is happy to report it resulted in a “locked in” Command Information Centre (CIC). The Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) is adopting the United States Navy’s CIC to replace the more commonly used Operations Room, to be more inclusive to all the activities and personnel who will operate in CSC’s CIC.



The design process was conducted over 19 months, predicated on the decision to join the Aegis enterprise. Representatives from PMO CSC, joined by partners from the RCN, Canadian Industry and Aegis design specialists from the Naval Surface Warfare Centre Dahlgren Division (NSWCDD) followed a five-phase approach to optimize the console layout of the CIC Complex. This approach included over 175 interviews with sailors from S3 to Capt(N). The intent of these interviews were to align existing RCN trades and skills with those within the Aegis enterprise, creating a “USN to RCN” dictionary.



Once this data was collected and analyzed, a tabletop exercise was conducted in Halifax in October 2022. This exercise was a collaborative approach between the operational community and warship designers where a 1:12 scale model with 3D printed consoles were used to brainstorm layout options for the three spaces that make up the CIC, Sonar Display Room and the Operational Planning/Command Planning Room. Over 75 designs were created from this event with 18 being deemed viable for further evaluation. These 18 designs were studied by NSWCDD human factor engineers and scored against a complex scorecard focussing on communication flow, personnel adjacencies and many others.



A cadre of RCN personnel then selected a final design to be stress tested at a Cognitive Walkthrough validation exercise in April 2023. To stress test the model, selected operators were provided with a week of instruction describing the new aspects of the CSC Combat System suite of weapons, sensors, and new positions. After this orientation training, the validation exercise was a three-day event where various warfare scenarios were exercised with the CIC watch, who sat their positions within the CIC mock-up. Each sailor was shadowed by a human factors engineer who gathered detailed feedback as scenarios from reading warnings to conducting engagements were executed.



While CSC belongs to the future fleet, crucial design work is happening now with sailor input being critical to get it right. CSC will be the backbone of the combatant fleet, and will be a warship designed by sailors, for sailors."

By Royal Canadian Navy

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

"The Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) project recently achieved another major design milestone. In April, 16 sailors from coast to coast arrived at the Human Performance Lab in Dahlgren, Virginia where they participated in the validation of a full-scale mock up of a selected Operations Room Layout. This exercise was the culmination of a detailed design process, and the CSC Project is happy to report it resulted in a “locked in” Command Information Centre (CIC). The Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) is adopting the United States Navy’s CIC to replace the more commonly used Operations Room, to be more inclusive to all the activities and personnel who will operate in CSC’s CIC.



The design process was conducted over 19 months, predicated on the decision to join the Aegis enterprise. Representatives from PMO CSC, joined by partners from the RCN, Canadian Industry and Aegis design specialists from the Naval Surface Warfare Centre Dahlgren Division (NSWCDD) followed a five-phase approach to optimize the console layout of the CIC Complex. This approach included over 175 interviews with sailors from S3 to Capt(N). The intent of these interviews were to align existing RCN trades and skills with those within the Aegis enterprise, creating a “USN to RCN” dictionary.



Once this data was collected and analyzed, a tabletop exercise was conducted in Halifax in October 2022. This exercise was a collaborative approach between the operational community and warship designers where a 1:12 scale model with 3D printed consoles were used to brainstorm layout options for the three spaces that make up the CIC, Sonar Display Room and the Operational Planning/Command Planning Room. Over 75 designs were created from this event with 18 being deemed viable for further evaluation. These 18 designs were studied by NSWCDD human factor engineers and scored against a complex scorecard focussing on communication flow, personnel adjacencies and many others.



A cadre of RCN personnel then selected a final design to be stress tested at a Cognitive Walkthrough validation exercise in April 2023. To stress test the model, selected operators were provided with a week of instruction describing the new aspects of the CSC Combat System suite of weapons, sensors, and new positions. After this orientation training, the validation exercise was a three-day event where various warfare scenarios were exercised with the CIC watch, who sat their positions within the CIC mock-up. Each sailor was shadowed by a human factors engineer who gathered detailed feedback as scenarios from reading warnings to conducting engagements were executed.



While CSC belongs to the future fleet, crucial design work is happening now with sailor input being critical to get it right. CSC will be the backbone of the combatant fleet, and will be a warship designed by sailors, for sailors."

By Royal Canadian Navy View attachment 57937

Hello Ted. This "CIC" design process was conceptualized as well when the then , not built , Halifax class was on the design phase. I was part of that process as well. It will be very interesting to see how the Navy fares out this time around. An excellent process then and I believe now as well. By the way, we didn't get everything quite right the first time and I'm sure there will be some bugs to work out here as well.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

The Canadian government will be giving an update before the end of 2023 on more detailed projected costs on the CSC Type 26 Frigate Program. Interesting articles to read for forum members. These can be seen below:

Philippe Lagassé: Time to worry about our warships

The question isn’t why we aren’t buying cheaper ships, but whether we’d be prepared to accept less capability to cut costs.

www.readtheline.ca

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