China’s ‘Carrier-Killer’ Missiles, J-20 Jets Gives Beijing A Decisive Edge Over The US In Indo-Pacific: US Experts

[RogerRanger]

Fight, fight, fight, fight!!!!!!!!

 

[xizhimen]

I know u have nothing to contribute ... Will Ignore ur further posts on this thread !!!!!!

What did you contribute? what do you expect me to contribute?

 

[Azeri441]

China definitely has highest ship building capability in the world, but regardless United States Navy is so far ahead of everyone with nearly 100+ 10,000 ton combat warships, 11 Aircraft Carriers, another 11 LHDs that alone can carry 20 F-35Bs, biggest and most advanced fleet of nuclear submarines, 20+ 7,000 ton frigates coming in the future. It will take decades upon decades to even match half of this capability, and that is if USN itself doesn't decide to expand, USN has had no existing threats for 20+ years since USSR collapsed, I imagine with rival navies expanding, they will also further expand their navy.

Not to mention no one can match aircraft production of USA, US Navy has 2nd most powerful Air Force in the world, and its air power is really where the main advantage lies, a fleet of F-35s/F-18s armed with LRASMs can pretty much wreck havoc on any Navy without even the need of having to conduct strikes from ships.

 

[Nilgiri]

Good to see you around @Azeri441

 

[RogerRanger]

China definitely has highest ship building capability in the world, but regardless United States Navy is so far ahead of everyone with nearly 100+ 10,000 ton combat warships, 11 Aircraft Carriers, another 11 LHDs that alone can carry 20 F-35Bs, biggest and most advanced fleet of nuclear submarines, 20+ 7,000 ton frigates coming in the future. It will take decades upon decades to even match half of this capability, and that is if USN itself doesn't decide to expand, USN has had no existing threats for 20+ years since USSR collapsed, I imagine with rival navies expanding, they will also further expand their navy.

Not to mention no one can match aircraft production of USA, US Navy has 2nd most powerful Air Force in the world, and its air power is really where the main advantage lies, a fleet of F-35s/F-18s armed with LRASMs can pretty much wreck havoc on any Navy without even the need of having to conduct strikes from ships.

I totally disagree with this. With the Chinese having a bigger populations, bigger economy, bigger ship building capacity, within 5-10 years China will have over taken the US navy is large warships. The LHD's are a joke and a waste of money in my view. The 7,000 ton frigates are less capable than the Arleigh Burkes, but at the same time will not be built in large enough numbers to have a greater strategic effect. The Virginia class submarines are far to expensive and our not as good as the Astute class. 10 US carriers isn't enough for their strategic needs, they need at least 12, ideally 16. They are under strength in that area. F-35 is great and you made a great point about US air craft production being much better than China. However all China has to do it take out one American carrier and the US can't replace it. All they need to do is take out an American cruiser and they can't replace it. The Chinese can replace their losses. That's what having smaller, cheaper, simpler ships does for you, and having the great build capacity.

The USN with the RN and JN, is still very powerful. However on its own, much less powerful compared to China.

If the US could built is navy correctly with the following force structure, they would be just as powerful again compared to China.

16 fleet carriers able to operate 55 F-35's, Electronic warfare aircraft and E-2.
24 AAW cruisers with 200 VLS and extra long-range AAW missiles.
12 AAW destroyers with 120 VLS.
48 ASW/AAW destroyers with 90 VLS.
100 ASW escort frigates with 40 VLS.
70 SSN.
12 SSBN.
282 ships total.

This would mean the US could operate 9 carriers, 16 cruisers, 8 AAW destroyers, 32 ASW/AAW destroyers, 60 ASW frigates, 40 SSN's and 6 SSBN at once. Meaning the US could operate 3 carrier battle groups at the same time.

 

[xizhimen]

China definitely has highest ship building capability in the world, but regardless United States Navy is so far ahead of everyone with nearly 100+ 10,000 ton combat warships, 11 Aircraft Carriers, another 11 LHDs that alone can carry 20 F-35Bs, biggest and most advanced fleet of nuclear submarines, 20+ 7,000 ton frigates coming in the future. It will take decades upon decades to even match half of this capability, and that is if USN itself doesn't decide to expand, USN has had no existing threats for 20+ years since USSR collapsed, I imagine with rival navies expanding, they will also further expand their navy.

Not to mention no one can match aircraft production of USA, US Navy has 2nd most powerful Air Force in the world, and its air power is really where the main advantage lies, a fleet of F-35s/F-18s armed with LRASMs can pretty much wreck havoc on any Navy without even the need of having to conduct strikes from ships.

US navy is still the best in the world, but they can't win a battle if it's fought near China and China has no interest to fight a sea battle in Europe. besides, China used just 20 years to transform from the world poorest equipped navy resorting hand grenade to fight a sea battle to the world biggest and one of the best equipped navy, think about another 20 years down this line.
All military might depends on economy, with US declining economy, it can't afford to have such a large navy, just like it can't afford foreign wars now, we'll see US closing or downsizing foreign bases, withdrawing foreign military personnel and retiring warships, it's already happening now.

 

[Azeri441]

US navy is still the best in the world, but they can't win a battle if it's fought near China and China has no interest to fight a sea battle in Europe. besides, China used just 20 years to transform from the world poorest equipped navy resorting hand grenade to fight a sea battle to the world biggest and one of the best equipped navy, think about another 20 years down this line.
All military might depends on economy, with US declining economy, it can't afford to have such a large navy, just like it can't afford foreign wars now, we'll see US closing or downsizing foreign bases, withdrawing foreign military personnel and retiring warships, it's already happening now.

declining economy? US economy is not declining Lol, in fact its one of the fastest growing in the developed world, and its military budget continues to rise.

US navy can't win a battle in South China Sea? 2 B-1Bs equipped with 36 LRASMs each can pretty much sink half of your navy, not even talking about large number of submarines with some having 144 Tomahawks each.

and this doesn't even include all the allied countries in the region which can house future ground based anti-ship launchers such as Naval Strike Missile and even long range hypersonic systems which can be rapidly deployed around the world by marines.

United States can wipe out most of your navy from distance using its vast amount of air assets or through massive fleet of nuclear submarines which China has no real answer to.

So, apart from untested "carrier killer" China likes to scream about, what does China actually have to rival the massive naval and air power?

 

[xizhimen]

declining economy? US economy is not declining Lol, in fact its one of the fastest growing in the developed world, and its military budget continues to rise.

Relative declining comparing with China, China'll vertake US economy in GDP nominal term in this decade. in PPP term China has a far lead already.

 

[xizhimen]

United States can wipe out most of your navy from distance using its vast amount of air assets or through massive fleet of nuclear submarines which China has no real answer to.

Then what they are waiting for? they simulated several sea battles with China in SCS and the result is they lost every single one.
Even back in 1947, when China was taking over Paracel Islands from then US ally South Vietnam, South Vietnam navy begged US to intervene, while US seventh fleet just sat right besides the battle and watched their allies ship burn and sink to the bottom of the ocean. When real battle happens, they even stop bluffing and become very quiet.

 

[Nilgiri]

declining economy? US economy is not declining Lol, in fact its one of the fastest growing in the developed world, and its military budget continues to rise.

US navy can't win a battle in South China Sea? 2 B-1Bs equipped with 36 LRASMs each can pretty much sink half of your navy, not even talking about large number of submarines with some having 144 Tomahawks each.

and this doesn't even include all the allied countries in the region which can house future ground based anti-ship launchers such as Naval Strike Missile and even long range hypersonic systems which can be rapidly deployed around the world by marines.

United States can wipe out most of your navy from distance using its vast amount of air assets or through massive fleet of nuclear submarines which China has no real answer to.

So, apart from untested "carrier killer" China likes to scream about, what does China actually have to rival the massive naval and air power?

You will now get automated repies involving strawmens like "what are they waiting for?" (hypocritically not applied for PRC) and the typical complete misunderstanding of what particular simulations even involve (and what they are done for).

 

[RogerRanger]

The US economy is in decline. Its based upon foreign owned debt. Look at US infrastructure, it is the worse in the world of any developed nation. They have vast resources, but their government refuses to use them. They have massive taxation issues. They have to support a massive imperial structure. Everything the Chinese guy said is correct, but if anything he is over doing the American economy. The best economy in the world right now is China, and I am not saying that because of size, but because they have everything they need, to stagnate like Japan did. The problem for the Chinese was always inflation, unemployment. However they has been massively off-set by the hugely positive balance of payments, government spending and infrastructure investment. China's real growth rate isn't as high as it was, but because they gained so much in the past 20 years it now dominates the world economy. Meaning like Japan is can stagnate and be totally fine.

Trump was taking the correct steps with the US economy, but it was too little too late. He needs a full on trade war with China and the EU, he needed to radically diminish the US empire. To bring down US debt and deficit. Redress the US unemployment issues and balance of payment issues. Then a localized infrastructure upgrade and maintaining program. The US inflation rate is going up massively because the Americans ended the trade war with China and the EU, and because the break in supply chains due to covid. So the US economy is in a bad way. California/New York are in a bad way too, thousands of people leaving because of low job prospects and crime. Moving to Texas and Florida, where their will be a massive inflation spike as the house prices increase. Basically the is debt bubbles everywhere you look in the US.

So in the end the China guy is correct. Without the massive economy and stable economy, the US can't support the complex ship building program and its empire. Does that now mean China will pull away from everybody else and dominate the world, not really. With the US diminished China will be pushed to take on the former role of the US empire, bringing it into conflict with Russia/Japan/Korea. At that point my guess is the Chinese rise will be checked. And their plans to send 100 million han Chinese to Africa and take over Australia and New Zealand and much of North America. The Chinese, like the Indians just have too many people to have a high-end economy, to maintain that level of infrastructure spending and there isn't enough resources in the world to feed the consumption of 1.5 billion people at the level of parts of US or western Europe. So that will cause internal problems within China and limit what they can do colonizing wise. Which is why China is putting so much into space to get resources to feed its demand and consumption.

Good news for the Chinese is they don't have vast amounts of foreign debt, they don't have vast populations of migrants coming into China, they don't have a terrible government. All of which the US has and much of western Europe.

 

[Test7]

Chinese shipbuilding can do much better than this, US can't match Chinese shipbuilding might. the future is China's.

Frankly, I totally agree with that. As a citizen of a NATO member country,i think that the military,political and economic power of China 10-15 years from now will be huge.

 

[kumata]

Frankly, I totally agree with that. As a citizen of a NATO member country,i think that the military,political and economic power of China 10-15 years from now will be huge.

Provided they had behave properly for another decade but that's not been the case. Moreover with COVID, they have serious issues to handle in near future.

I don't see any challenge to US in near term. China Is just a nuisance... They tried to get all golden eggs in one go by killing the hen.. Had they continued for another decade with same vigour... They stood a chance...

US have fortified the cyber security posture a lot, concentrating on inner self. One thing trump taught them is their own importance ... Nobody in world trusts them except for few fan boys who are under heavy debt.. CPEC is struggling.. Sri Lanka is prime example of their debt diplomacy & nations are wary of Chinese nefarious plans....

Many will not agree with me but Chinese internal situation is also not good.. Xi is under pressure and I see a war in near future to pump up the nationalistic fervour... And hide his own failure..

Raising the nationalistic bogey is straight out of Mao, s book. This is a tried & tested method from Mao, ladhak was the trailer.. Unfortunately, they discounted Indian might and ended up no where....

 

[xizhimen]

Nobody in world trusts them except for few fan boys who are under heavy debt.. CPEC is struggling.. Sri Lanka is prime example of their debt diplomacy & nations are wary of Chinese nefarious plans....

Ha, Your wishful thinking, no one trusts India in south Asia and US being regarded as the biggest threat to the world peace is more like it.

 

[xizhimen]

Many will not agree with me but Chinese internal situation is also not good.. Xi is under pressure and I see a war in near future to pump up the nationalistic fervour... And hide his own failure..

Who agrees with you? China's economy is growing robustly daily, Covid had been wiped out, importa and exports hit record high each passing month. what about internal situation in US and India? All perfect?

 

[Raptor]

Ha, Your wishful thinking, no one trusts India in south Asia and US being regarded as the biggest threat to the world peace is more like it.

Lol,Nepal said india is more important to Nepal than China would ever be,shri Lanka after being hunted by debt trap diplomacy is suffering from food crisis and now is looking for India.

 

[xizhimen]

Lol,Nepal said india is more important to Nepal than China would ever be,shri Lanka after being hunted by debt trap diplomacy is suffering from food crisis and now is looking for India.

India has terrible relations with all its neighbors, next time when speaking about other countries neighbors, look into the mirror first.

 

[Turko]

Quality vs quantity.

The epicenter of free creative brains VS following copy-paste economy.

 

[xizhimen]

Quality vs quantity.

The epicenter of free creative brains VS following copy-paste economy.

Emerging countries in the history copy from others when first developed, including US who copied from European powers first. China also follows the same path, but China is catching up fast. China has what it take to be technological power, highly intelligent minds , hardworking ethnics and endless funds.

 

[kumata]

Pls don,t spam the thread ....with these useless articles...