China’s Moves Toward Uyghur Families Should Shock Our Consciousness and Spur Action

[Jackdaws]

China must be extremely stupid to do what western media and "activists" proclaimed they did, to make all Uighurs and the international community hate her to pick fight with a minority accounting for less than 1% of China's population. But is China really that stupid or the people who buy those reports are?

Is that a trick question?

 

[xizhimen]

Is that a trick question?

I don't know, it's everyone's guess.

 

[Huelague]

China must be extremely stupid to do what western media and "activists" proclaimed they did, to make all Uighurs and the international community hate her to pick fight with a minority accounting for less than 1% of China's population. But is China really that stupid or the people who buy those reports are?

Because people do never stupid things.

 

[xizhimen]

Because people do never stupid things.

People do, but China's top priority is always on developing the economy and foreign policies pivot US and some eastern neighbors, Uighurs and Tibetans together account for less than 1% of China's population, what's the point for the Chinese government to pick on them and commit those massive atrocities claimed by the west. Did they really personally visit Xinjiang and Tibet and see how people live there with their own eyes, genocide is a very strong word, I think this world is being abused by the western media too much.

 

[Nilgiri]

Is that a trick question?

Uh, what do you think? Everything's going just peachy from 3rd party remote sensing:

'Absolutely massive': China's secret detention camps seen from space

Imagery captured over a remote and highly volatile region of western China reveals a growing network of internment camps used to indoctrinate vast numbers of the region's population.

www.abc.net.au

Because people do never stupid things.

I think lieing this blatantly is pretty stupid:

First China denied the camps ever existed. Then the Chinese consulate doesn’t bother anymore to play a smoke and mirror game and admits: “Xinjiang has set up vocational education and training centres in order to root out extreme thoughts…”. Their purpose: ‘compulsory programs for terrorist criminals’.

Now, the language changed again. China’s President said the ‘strategy for governing Xinjiang in the new era is completely correct.’

Unacceptable (and unwise) of some to deny it. Social media commentators, some who are frequently quoted by large media organisations, keep casting doubt on the tragic story. Margaret_Kimberley tweeted — after an ITV news report emerged — “These are lies. There is no evidence of Uighur concentration camps. More hybrid war against China” (it received 2,000 likes).

While there is no room left to doubt that these camps do exist, there remains vast uncertainty whether investigative journalists and human rights advocates located all facilities spread out across the province.

Researchers/journalists who made it their beat to find them, like Nathan Ruser at Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), says “we don’t believe that we have found them all”, after posting 380 facilities online.

Germany’s chancellor last week said China’s President Xi offered delegates to send envoys to visit Xinjiang province [and camps] to see for themselves. Chances increase to see more of the so-called ‘show camps’ for a short period of time or as long as the visits take (the BBC encountered it when it visited last time). Xi also ensured that there will be an ‘ongoing human-rights dialogue’. But Ursula von der Leyen tweeted “a lot remains to be done .. in other chapters of our relations”.

Satelite investigations exposing more and more evidence. OSINT journalists rely on them. It’s one reason why some open-source intelligence journalism colleagues keep hearing rumours that some of the camps may have moved underground (e.g. detention in under-surface facilities) to hide from the spying eyes and scrutiny of satellite data analysts (we don't have proof for this thesis but I encourage you to reach out if you have evidence).

Open-source satellite data to investigate Xinjiang concentration camps

The second part of a series discussing techniques on how to analyse the dire human rights situation in Xinjiang’s camps

techjournalism.medium.com

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But then again, what do I know compared to mighty CCP and its spam-minions and adulating yes-lackeys.

Or just accept the gaslighting like the hive-mind did to feel better?

Its all repeat goose stepping in the end from certain types.

1. Them: B-b-b-b-b-b-but did you go there? If so how can you knowwwww?

Us: *Posts videos people trying to investigate and get the truth honestly on the facilities* (already lied about before by CCP as having NEVER existed)...and show the same CCP thugs "cant film here" + "vet and arrange everyone coming up to talk to baddie foreigners"

2. Them: B-b-b-b-b-b-but its western/indian/turkish/<insert non-CCP approved entity here propaganda if you show this, doncha know?!?!?

Then repeat back to step 1. It boils down to which one has the most time and lack of life to spam here cringely and other forums it came from.

Basically has no understanding it only fuels more hate towards what it wants to grow love and admiration of, by being this blatantly cringey....and even dumb (posting same articles across forums at exact same time, thinking using a different name here means we dont see it).

 

[xizhimen]

Mayb neither the west nor China told a full story, to be honest, I don't believe some reports claiming China sends Han Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women, takes away their kids, destroys their tombs, harvesting their organs, forecs them to dance on the streets... there is simply no reason and nothing to achieve by committing those crimes, so why the government has to do it, for fun? China is not a government doing anything without a lot of thinking and planning.

 

[xizhimen]

My best guess is those "concentration camps" are half vocational training schools and half brainwashing institutions. for the brainwashing part of it, In China we called it 学习班， Ideological studying sessions for people that the government believes may pose threat to the government or social stability, many Falungong practitioners had to attend those sessions, one of my friend's mother had to attend it for two weeks, she was an adamant Falungong follower.

学习班是一个文革名词。也简称“学习班”。学习班原义是指称为达到一定目的，确定特定学习内容，如传播某种知识或经验，而把有关人员集中起来的培训方式、学习组织。时间有长有短。

 

[Saithan]

Rape, torture of Muslim Uighurs in China shocks the conscience: US

A BBC investigative report describing Chinese authorities' sexual violence and torture of Muslim Uighur women in Xinjiang has sparked outrage and calls...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Zafer]

China must be extremely stupid to do what western media and "activists" proclaimed they did, to make all Uighurs and the international community hate her to pick fight with a minority accounting for less than 1% of China's population. But is China really that stupid or the people who buy those reports are?

When there is smoke there is fire.
China is doing what US did to Indians.

 

[xizhimen]

When there is smoke there is fire.
China is doing what US did to Indians.

And Uighur population doubled in 30 years. this must be the less successful " genocide" in human history

 

[Zafer]

And Uighur population doubled in 30 years. this must be the less successful " genocide" in human history

Why don't you try to backup your claims with proofs?
Re-aducating minorities like they are your slaves and not equal citizen with rights.

 

[xizhimen]

Why don't you try to backup your claims with proofs?
Re-aducating minorities like they are your slaves and not equal citizen with rights.

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  新疆建设兵团汉族人口在实行独生子女政策十几年后改为允许生二胎，但是由于形成了“生育爬蚤心态”，“十五”时期，新疆建设兵团妇女总和生育率稳定在1.0左右（新疆城市汉族可能比这还低），而新疆少数民族妇女总和生育率仍在“三孩”以上。新疆目前汉族人口为37.52%，汉族新生儿比例为18%。
• 根据《2015新疆统计年鉴》所供数据，2014年新疆总出生635,687人，汉族出生92,804人，汉族出生人口占比14.6%，这意味着少数民族出生人口比例突破85%。

Han family in Xinjiang averagely has one child each family and Uighur family averagely has over 3 children. in 2014, Xinjiang had 635,687 new borns, 14.6% were Han Chinese, 85% were minorities, mainly Uighurs.

Uighur's population was around 6 million in the 1980's, now is around 11-12 million.

 

[Zafer]

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  新疆建设兵团汉族人口在实行独生子女政策十几年后改为允许生二胎，但是由于形成了“生育爬蚤心态”，“十五”时期，新疆建设兵团妇女总和生育率稳定在1.0左右（新疆城市汉族可能比这还低），而新疆少数民族妇女总和生育率仍在“三孩”以上。新疆目前汉族人口为37.52%，汉族新生儿比例为18%。
• 根据《2015新疆统计年鉴》所供数据，2014年新疆总出生635,687人，汉族出生92,804人，汉族出生人口占比14.6%，这意味着少数民族出生人口比例突破85%。

Han family in Xinjiang averagely has one child each family and Uighur family averagely has over 3 children. in 2014, Xinjiang had 635,687 new borns, 14.6% were Han Chinese, 85% were minorities, mainly Uighurs.

Uighur's population was around 6 million in the 1980's, now is around 11-12 million.

We hear that Uighur population is supposed to be over 30mn what happened to them and they are now 11-12 mn ?

 

[xizhimen]

We hear that Uighur population is supposed to be over 30mn what happened to them and they are now 11-12 mn ?

You heard? How? statistics came out since 1950's, which stats suggest they have those many people? any links?

Before PRC, Uighur population was 2 million, and the it was not issued by PRC, The first PRC statistics on Uighur population came out in 1953, the Uighur total population were 3.61 million back then.

维吾尔族的人口总数由解放前的200万，发展到了现在的突破1000万。也就是说由200万至1000万翻了5倍。增长比例和数量远远超过了我国人口总数由解放前的4亿至现在的13亿。
维吾尔族的人口增长速度更为详细的数字是这样的：1953年第一次全国人口普查时有361.05万人

 

[Zafer]

You heard? How? statistics came out since 1950's, which stats suggest they have those many people? any links?

Before PRC, Uighur population was 2 million, and the it was not issued by PRC, The first PRC statistics on Uighur population came out in 1953, the Uighur total population were 3.61 million back then.

维吾尔族的人口总数由解放前的200万，发展到了现在的突破1000万。也就是说由200万至1000万翻了5倍。增长比例和数量远远超过了我国人口总数由解放前的4亿至现在的13亿。
维吾尔族的人口增长速度更为详细的数字是这样的：1953年第一次全国人口普查时有361.05万人

Yeah, the statistics, LOL

 

[xizhimen]

Yeah, the statistics, LOL

Do you have anything better?

 

[Saithan]

Uighurs resume Istanbul protest to learn families' whereabouts

Uighur Turks living in Istanbul staged a demonstration Thursday near China's Consulate General demanding to know the condition of their family members...

www.dailysabah.com