Chinese war history

[Gary]

Picking fight with someone who is 10 times smaller than you is nothing to be prould of, it's a clear sign of weakness and cowardice. How about picking someone your own size?

Vietnam???

 

[xizhimen]

Vietnam???

China never brags about the war in Vietnam, China gained Paracel islands in the sea battle in 1974 and some reefs in Spratly islands in 1987 from Vietnam, but that's nothing worth bragging about. Most Chiinese don't even know those battles.
But every Chinese knows Korean war, cause US was at least a worthy enemy. By the way, very few Chinese know there was a war against India in 1962.

 

[Gary]

China never brags about the war in Vietnam, China gained Paracel islands in the sea battle in 1974 and some reefs in Spratly islands in 1987 from Vietnam, but that's nothing worth bragging about. Most Chiinese don't even know those battles.
But every Chinese knows Korean war, cause US was at least a worthy enemy. By the way, very few Chinese know there was a war against India in 1962.

well India is attacked first, so I don't think they brag about it, it's just a reminder.

on the other hand, Korea is a stalemate.

 

[xizhimen]

well India is attacked first, so I don't think they brag about it, it's just a reminder.

on the other hand, Korea is a stalemate.

It doesn't matter cause you were fighting a much smaller opponent. Korean war was fought into a stalemate after China joined, before that point US army had already destroyed N. Korean army and pushed close the the Chinese border.

 

[Gary]

It doesn't matter cause you were fighting a much smaller opponent. Korean war was fought into a stalemate after China joined, before that point US army had already destroyed N. Korean army and pushed close the the Chinese border.

oh, the UN was advancing into China's border with the believe that China will not intervene, turns out China did intervene, and causes the shock and rout of the UN troops, but they managed to stabilize the front and make most Chinese attempts into a killing field for Chinese troops.

also India won against the smaller enemy, while you actually lost against the smaller ones (namely Vietnam and Japan)

 

[xizhimen]

oh, the UN was advancing into China's border with the believe that China will not intervene, turns out China did intervene, and causes the shock and rout of the UN troops, but they managed to stabilize the front and make most Chinese attempts into a killing field for Chinese troops.

also India won against the smaller enemy, while you actually lost against the smaller ones (namely Vietnam and Japan)

China started along her border and finished half way through Korea, so the goal of pushing US away from the border and re establish N.Korea was achieved. US removed their WWII hero Douglas MacArthur.

Japan was a smaller but more powerful country during WWII, Like UK used to be more powerful than US despite its smaller size, so Japan was not a weaker enemy.

As for China Vietnam border war, there was no winner or loser, it's just a border conflict, no lands lost by either side. Saying who won and who lost is far fetched.

 

[Gary]

China started along her border and finished half way through Korea, so the goal of pushing US away from the border and re establish N.Korea was achieved. US removed their WWII hero Douglas MacArthur.

Japan was a smaller but more powerful country during WWII, Like UK used to be more powerful than US despite its smaller size, so Japan was not a weaker enemy.

As for China Vietnam border war, there was no winner or loser, it's just a border conflict, no lands lost by either side. Saying who won and who lost is far fetched.

again , Mc Arthur was removed after he suggested nuking China, so for that you give credit to the US for being merciful. not China, who clearly sent an army masked as volunteers. the Fact that China fails to rout the UN is because the US.

look Japan already beat you before WW2, talking about the spectacular victories of the 1st Sino-Japanese war when they defeat you with lesser man and weapons.

China Vietnam war has a winner and a looser, at which you could divide them into tactical and strategic win, China wins tactical war by capturing some northern area in Viet Nam while loosing the strategic goals on which they put themselves in war in the first place,( namely saving Pol Pot regime in Cambodia ), that explains why you can't, instead of wont brag about it.

 

[Jackdaws]

Picking fight with someone who is 10 times smaller than you is nothing to be prould of, it's a clear sign of weakness and cowardice. How about picking someone your own size?

10 times smaller? Is that what is written in the Little Red Book?

 

[xizhimen]

again , Mc Arthur was removed after he suggested nuking China, so for that you give credit to the US for being merciful. not China, who clearly sent an army masked as volunteers. the Fact that China fails to rout the UN is because the US.

He promised to bring the soldiers back to home before Christmas and after suffering several humiliating defeats he just lost it and suggested nuclear solution. He lost his mind because of the defeats he suffered in Korea, he never wanted to nuke Korea before those defeats.
PRC was just established for one year back then and China never intended to wipe out US army, China's goal is to keep US away from her door cause a one year old country was very unstable at home, can't afford to have outside force breathing down close on her neck.

 

[Jackdaws]

He promised to bring the soldiers back to home before Christmas and after suffering several humiliating defeats he just lost it and suggested nuclear solution. He lost his mind because of the defeats he suffered in Korea, he never wanted to nuke Korea before those defeats.
PRC was just established for one year back then and China never intended to wipe out US army, China's goal is to keep US away from her door cause a one year old country was very unstable at home, can't afford to have outside force breathing down close on her neck.

This is a Historical Thread showing AV from the 1971 War. Feel free to add anything related to the war. Please refrain from trolling, derailing and posting stuff not related to the 1971 War.

 

[xizhimen]

look Japan already beat you before WW2, talking about the spectacular victories of the 1st Sino-Japanese war when they defeat you with lesser man and weapons.

Japan in its prime time managed to control less than one third of China, and only in the cities, not the countryside, Japanese army took the advanage of China's civil war when KMT and Communists were at each other's throats.
Japan and China were also fought into a stalemate , Japan never defeated China, both KMT and Communists still had millions of regular amies and over two third of the lands in China, saying Japan had already defeated China was simply not true.
Japan was a hundred years ahead of China into the industrial age, so back then Japan was much more powerful than China, it's not about the size of than land and people. Britain is not big, by at some point it conquered half of the world.

 

[xizhimen]

China Vietnam war has a winner and a looser, at which you could divide them into tactical and strategic win, China wins tactical war by capturing some northern area in Viet Nam while loosing the strategic goals on which they put themselves in war in the first place,( namely saving Pol Pot regime in Cambodia ), that explains why you can't, instead of wont brag about it.

Wrong, China doesn't care about Pol Pot, China just wanted to use the war to open the western market to China. Deng xiaoping had a much grander plan for that border conflict.
Bragging about what? China won 1962 war but very few Chinese know that war, cause it's nothing worth bragging about.

 

[Gary]

He promised to bring the soldiers back to home before Christmas and after suffering several humiliating defeats he just lost it and suggested nuclear solution. He lost his mind because of the defeats he suffered in Korea, he never wanted to nuke Korea before those defeats.
PRC was just established for one year back then and China never intended to wipe out US army, China's goal is to keep US away from her door cause a one year old country was very unstable at home, can't afford to have outside force breathing down close on her neck.

yes humiliating defeat in which unprepared troops fought a human tsunamis masked as volunteers because the country that sends them don't want the political repercussions that comes with fighting the US openly. it's still is a stalemate, in which there are more Chinese dead than the UN. you can't change that. the fact that the US doesn't use nuke is more of a mercy than defeat. your furthest advance is only half of Korea, while they're furthest is almost to the Chinese border fence.

 

[Gary]

Wrong, China doesn't care about Pol Pot, China just wanted to use the war to open the western market to China. Deng xiaoping had a much grander plan for that border conflict.
Bragging about what? China won 1962 war but very few Chinese know that war, cause it's nothing worth bragging about.

how are you winning?? Vietnam achieve two goals at the same time, the preservation of their state whilst denying China's aid to Pol Pot and occupying Cambodia itself.

why would your people know when you clearly lost your strategic aim??? as I said, it's not because you wont , it's because you can't.

edit: My last post. this thread has been derailed sorry for that.

 

[xizhimen]

yes humiliating defeat in which unprepared troops fought a human tsunamis masked as volunteers because the country that sends them don't want the political repercussions that comes with fighting the US openly. it's still is a stalemate, in which there are more Chinese dead than the UN. you can't change that. the fact that the US doesn't use nuke is more of a mercy than defeat. your furthest advance is only half of Korea, while they're furthest is almost to the Chinese border fence.

It's a war between two camps, PRC was just one year old and very poor and US accounts for 52% of the world total GDP, of coused China suffered more casualties, it goes without saying.
China gave stern warning before attack so US was not totally unprepared, at least they fought N.Kroeas for a year and gained battle experience in Korea already.

 

[xizhimen]

War History: Enemy on the doorstep: China's involvement in the Korean War

 

[xizhimen]

China's weekly box office: War epic 'The Sacrifice' tops the Chinese box office for three consecutive weeks
By She Jingwei
Movie/TV 15:57, 10-Nov-2020

The Chinese box office earned nearly 394 million yuan ($59.6 million) in the past week (November 2-8), with the war epic "The Sacrifice," also known as "Jin Gang Chuan," still on top of the box office rankings gaining over 174 million yuan, according to box office tracker platform Maoyan.

The war epic "The Sacrifice," in commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) army entering the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) to help in the what is known in China as the War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea, held on to the top spot at the Chinese box office in the past week. The film has topped the Chinese box office for three consecutive weeks since its release.

The movie trailer with the theme song ODE TO WAR HEROES

 

[Nilgiri]

Please continue debate here about Chinese war history (that went OT in original thread) @#comcom @Jackdaws @whatintarnation @xizhimen et al.

The OP thread title can may be changed to "Chinese war history" etc if you could do the honours @Webslave

 

[Jackdaws]

Please continue debate here about Chinese war history (that went OT in original thread) @#comcom @Jackdaws @whatintarnation @xizhimen et al.

The OP thread title can may be changed to "Chinese war history" etc if you could do the honours @Webslave

You can remove my post about them sticking to 1971.

 

[xizhimen]

PRC took many islands from Taiwan and South Vietnam (US treaty bound ally) when Chins didn't even have anything called a real " navy", What makes you guys believe US will shed their blood for Taiwan today, when they are overwhelmed by almost everything by China? The truth is US always tries to avoid direct conflict with China. In 1974 China- south Vietam sea battle, the US seventh fleet was just nearby, but they refused south Vietnam ally's request to join the battle and chose to stand by and watched Chinese navy destroying their ally and took control of the Paracel islands.

South Vietnam requested assistance from the US Seventh Fleet, but the request was rejected.

Battle of the Paracel Islands

The Battle of the Paracel Islands was a military engagement between the naval forces of the People's Republic of China and Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) in Paracel Islands on January 19, 1974. The battle was an escalation of the Republic of Vietnam Navy's efforts to expel Chinese fishing...

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