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Thats why this forum is slow

Its lot better than "jazzing" it up on purpose with tons of disgusting spam trolls....or inculcate some feel good echo chamber in some exclusive monolith growth + fester way.

That seems to be common feature in lot of subcontinent forums (sadly IMO)....the unkempt troll bazaars.

I have largely found there is consensus among good reasonable people (the silent majority in lot of cases) not having oodles of time to sift through pages and pages of gross trolling to get to some sliver of something worth it.

Those are folks worth having around long term....and its best to stay true to that objective whatever the "pace" and "intensity" feels like in general.
 

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Its lot better than "jazzing" it up on purpose with tons of disgusting spam trolls....or inculcate some feel good echo chamber in some exclusive monolith growth + fester way.

That seems to be common feature in lot of subcontinent forums (sadly IMO)....the unkempt troll bazaars.

I have largely found there is consensus among good reasonable people (the silent majority in lot of cases) not having oodles of time to sift through pages and pages of gross trolling to get to some sliver of something worth it.

Those are folks worth having around long term....and its best to stay true to that objective whatever the "pace" and "intensity" feels like in general.
So you mean more like bharat rakshak forum, i see isee
 

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It has nothing to do with the original Indira Gandhi. It is just a stupid wordplay joke. "Indir"(mek) is a Turkish word that is also used for stealing (not the original meaning though). If someone steals money, sometimes people say "he made indira gandhi" because this name includes the word "indir"
Most people don't even know who Indira Gandhi was.
But it is even more stupid this joke and even photo of her was used by a political parties
Her sons did stole lot money though.
Both young and elder one and her daughter in law
 

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So you mean more like bharat rakshak forum, i see isee

With more international basis and hopefully less toxicity with time etc.

International basis is often very useful for this as it means people can't echo chamber so easily and have to more readily deal with tolerance and principled approach to discussions.
 

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This depends on the definition of "Hindu".

From strictly religious/cultural angle, certainly not true....from basic fact that there is no dogmatic crystalised definition of "Hindu" to begin with (in the sense that it is often used with the abrahamic religions and certain other cultural systems and identities too).

As a Hindu myself, I am often extremely different to a Hindu from another part of India (or even same part of India)....in very deep ways. You can get extremely different answers (each with written, defined, practiced and inherited basis) for questions that other religions and cultural systems have long settled and made quite clearer bound wise.

This descriptor origins was at root geographic (Hindu, Hind, Indus, India, Sindhu, Hindustan etc etc)....applied to a whole variety of (downstream amalgam of various indigenous and introduced) belief systems.

The other (popular) name is Bharat which is more "original" dynasty based much like the name of Qin emperor in China.

The modern republic certainly was not formed on religious (majoritarian need) basis.

A very large number of muslims stayed within India during partition.....they are as part of Indian identity as any other minority, plurality or majority found within it.

The original (attempted and ongoing) definition, push + sustainment for religious based majoritarian state lies on the Pakistan side in subcontinent.

That has had some counter-influence on India downstream due to whole number of matters.....but that is different subject to get into.

But the Indian republic at its core is not any kind of exclusivist religion identity (or really any kind of identity other than the geographic bounded one and all the deeper legacy it has contained within it nation-wise over a long time).....


....just like Turkey is not either (and it has similarly seen a recent realised drift in various way over time from its initial visionary setup as well).

Those are significant counter-counterforces (versus the drift in a chunk of years) by having the core set up this way as well.

Thats pretty interesting man.

I know India is diverse but never knew they were this diverse when it comes to being Hindu.

Not to mention you have Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs. Islam, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Judaism may not be native to India but overtime they also contributed to India and its identity.

India is so diverse from its languages and ethnic groups. North India and South India are also pretty different from each other.

I learn new stuff everyday.

@Ryder Think of it this way...

Say if Iron-age Europe moving forward retained large degree of its various pre-christian belief systems and only partially Christianized due to whatever reason.

We know many of those non-christian belief systems (celtic, germanic/norse, italic, greek, balto-slavic etc etc) were related and coordinated to each other by the neolithic and bronze age era large indo-european migrations (and later influences from egyptian and semitic civilisations as well).

Specifically their (yamnaya) cultural + lingual seeding legacy (especially that being lot more than their genetic admixture impact).

Then say Europe faced all kind of invasions (many of which brutal) at various time from outsiders....and even colonisation by a large power outside it (which say in hypothetical AU....achieved modern era enlightenment era first by reposing fundamental rights at the individual level first.... instead of Europe itself in the current reality....and the power levels this unlocked to do so).

For simplicity + inherited "first naming rights" (re-appropriated by Europe with time too) many would likely cast a dragnet and call the earlier underlying beliefs as say "Euro-ism".

Whereas Europe itself is an immense geographic term etc....and you only would understand the internal belief/identity complexities with enough study and experience of it (including what many traditionally use to call their belief rather than foreign named sense of "euroism" etc).

Then say during modern independence struggle, simply a geographic state akin to the European Union came into being from the top down (politically) essentially....and a religious-polity component (in 2 separated parts even) of it split off at same time for whatever reason (say all kind of frictions coming to a head during the independence struggle).



BTW, something very similar actually exists with China in that its belief systems are called "Chinese folk religions" (by outside looking in) when you simply cast the net on the geographic bounds of China.

They have all kind of variance and their own various long interaction with their ancient domestic "philosophies" (the precise term is difficult to find in translation), i.e Tao and Confucian and the one that spread to them from India : Buddhism (and many others I will not go into).

As small personal example, growing up in HK, there were 3 very popular deities (of that region of China) with the local folk tales encapsulated for it.

But when I went to Beijing and brought it up with some (fairly cultural intensive, folk religion practicing) folks.....they were not really cognisant of any of it past very general terms....being further away from the vast southern coastline and its phenomenon of typhoons and storms..... I understood why the sea deities for example might not have had same impact up north + interior.

Some number did not even know that the larger HK area (pearl river delta) was where the last (tragic) stand of the Song dynasty was made (against the mongols)...and that one Song commander intimately involved in that is deified as a protector and sign of enduring loyalty.



So there is a "southern axis" flavour of culture (incl "religions") that is quite different to the central and northern axis ones of China....very broadly speaking. It is similar case in India too....the sheer distances and (historical) contexts involved.

Essentially, river valleys (and even long river courses) and the expanses between them matter very much in the end for "geographic-bounded" civilisations that incorporate more than one of them.
 

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Needs an separate thread. Rare India winning world cup other than Cricket, Hockey and Kabbadi.
Indos was very hopeful Indonesia will make it 15th.

Feel free to start one (with a news article etc). But it will likely get archived back in here later heh.



What was the video about, link not working ?

It is the thomas cup final that just happened.

Link working on my end. Try different VPN server etc, maybe it can help.....BWF and sports networks in general sometimes have different syndication in different countries for YT. Or you can search youtube, there is probably other networks.
 

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Yes the situation can look quite dire if you look at this from this angle.

But I believe the ongoing energy revolution will help mitigate and even solve it potentially.

Making energy easily and cheaply available at both the dense and spread tiers......will solve a lot of the other resource issues. Just look at what the price of a solar cell has dropped like during the last decade for example. There is much more that needs to follow up past it of course, but its a welcome start.

Malthusian overloads had been predicted before, especially with food (in developing world) in first half of cold war but they were overcome by the green revolution in that case as well.

Clean Energy ---> clean water will be a big one going forward, but I think it can be done.

I'll get to rest of your post a bit later.
Oh yes, not disputing that renewable energy will be growing faster and cheaper the more time goes on, and that production capacity will steadily and exponentially increase. But the sheer power density of fossil fuels, and the spatial requirements of renewable energies in relation to available land, climate conditions and the ever-increasing energy needs of fast-growing urban settlements... it simply doesn't add up to me. Especially now, with carbon emissions having increased to pre-pandemic levels in 2021 and coal set to fuel the economic rise of Asia and Africa, the terminal addiction to cheap energy in the west, and the further development of extraction techniques to get all the fuel trapped in shales...

You don't need to respond to the rest if you don't want to, not that it would be all that important anyway. Please pardon my late response, this last week was, well, stressful, very stressful.
 

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Oh yes, not disputing that renewable energy will be growing faster and cheaper the more time goes on, and that production capacity will steadily and exponentially increase. But the sheer power density of fossil fuels, and the spatial requirements of renewable energies in relation to available land, climate conditions and the ever-increasing energy needs of fast-growing urban settlements... it simply doesn't add up to me. Especially now, with carbon emissions having increased to pre-pandemic levels in 2021 and coal set to fuel the economic rise of Asia and Africa, the terminal addiction to cheap energy in the west, and the further development of extraction techniques to get all the fuel trapped in shales...

You don't need to respond to the rest if you don't want to, not that it would be all that important anyway. Please pardon my late response, this last week was, well, stressful, very stressful.

Take care my friend, and best wishes.
 

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Take care my friend, and best wishes.
Thank you, I returned to Austria during the last week, but this week should be far less of a hassle. Going to be more active again... since we're having a fairly active(if not historic) year this year, what with the russian invasion and NATO expansion, Sinn Fein in NI, Marcos and Duterte in the Philippines, and whatever else it holds in store
 

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NEW DELHI: Two ancient civilizations but two young nations—that summarises relations between India and Israel as the establishment of diplomatic ties between the two countries completes 30 years. A relationship that began on two legs—defence and agriculture—has now grown to be “multi-leg because we are cooperating on everything”, says Naor Gilon, Israel’s ambassador to India. As bilateral ties are at a very high point, taking it to the next level is a challenge, Amb. Gilon told StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale in an exclusive interview.

 

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