I have had my fill of both reading and participating in these kind of subjects and how they expand to other realms/matters.
It never goes to anywhere good or productive....especially when splitting hairs about who is ahead in whatever terms in a grossly underdeveloped country overall....as some attempted rejoinder to prove who is more correct on the initial matter.
A nation has existed a long time (and open to far more unbounded definition, after all it is bounded in the mind and hearts in the end)....a country (nation-
state) is always far newer and far more concrete (we are after all born into it and see it in quite physical and current terms each day). It is why you can even find many nation-states (today) within a larger nation depending on your point of view.
It is imperative to understand what those differences are in definition between the two (they imo are often conflated)....otherwise over time a growing mob of aggrieved (especially by whatever unrelated reason) will inevitably call for the collective wrongs done in the larger definition to be addressed with the legal power of the nation state today (when both it and its citizens today did not exist in the perpetration/victimization of the earlier grievances and troubles of the nation).
Wielding this collectivisation (and ignoring the cause of the individual that we all exist as fundamental unit) for whatever pursuit of revenge, redemption or restoration by a raw (immoral in my opinion) majoritarian principle at least ought to first have the nation-state officially aligned with that majoritarian principle (by law and structure) so things are crystal clear about what is what....rather than dredge such "nation-memory" things up for whatever employ in whatever grey area or political arena or societal angst....... and suffer the consequences of this drastic inconsistency and far more.
But it is quite clear to me, most of my country (especially in places to action power and influence) do not know these terms, much less think about them in first place.
In fact it is increasingly clear to me this is a near indelible worldwide phenomenon than I once thought, but that is no silver lining at all but quite a darker spectre on what humankind even is. Where I have been sickened and livid before in earlier youth, I am resigned and cold to it all now as I maybe grow longer in the tooth.
We refuse (in sufficient number anyway) to observe and learn what was done wrongly in the past and leave it at that logically and some will say coldly....as we refuse to have consistent scruples.
Far easier to do the opposite when it is convenient and tribal....and primeval....and "others" and "anothers" can be made to suffer the actions of some ancestor collective. Don't strive and truly advance (the very honoured objective of a nation-state in first place so it does not sully its inheritance from the nation). Rather simply bring the other down and you have advanced another way relatively speaking....the easier way, but the easy comes with consequences.....we don't build things that last with easy materials and easy ways.
@Joe Shearer @VCheng @Saiyan0321