Argentina is looking to follow Myanmar and Nigeria, and add Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder to its air force. Has Pakistan finally cracked the fighter jet code that has long eluded other developing countries? Here is the JF-17 Thunder decoded.
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At least pakistan can produce a jet that can met their requirements Unlike india whos jet tejas didn't even liked by their own air force and haven't made any good numbers in the Indian air force?Decoded: Leverage off Chinese MIC entirely, throw half funds, FC-1 rebadged.
At least pakistan can produce a jet that can met their requirements Unlike india whos jet tejas didn't even liked by their own air force and haven't made any good numbers in the Indian air force?
Argentina is looking to follow Myanmar and Nigeria, and add Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder to its air force. Has Pakistan finally cracked the fighter jet code that has long eluded other developing countries? Here is the JF-17 Thunder decoded.
About those Su-30s weren't you guys produced them so poorly they all crashing over the place ? JF-17 is produced cooperatively by china and pakistan using both Pakistani and chinese avionics Lets look at the tejas using mish mash of stuff bought from all over the globe but still there is just a 1 fleet of tejas fighters lolIts like saying the IAF can produce the SU-30 to meet their requirements...just because most of it is "produced" in India.
No one reasonable would think to call it Indian aircraft.
Certain expectations of countries are there I suppose....when (per year) one gets about a dozen patents granted internationally and the other gets several thousands.....betraying the population ratio by magnitudes.
As for Tejas, you can read the Tejas thread in Indian section for yourself, you are way out of date.
The JF17 worked in Pakistan's favour.
When it comes to warfare even the cheapest weapon can become the equaliser.
Like I'll bite your "bait" I guess? Have you done an actual number crunch vis a vis %'s relative to flight hours of the platform in IAF use? Something you know how to do or even what that is?About those Su-30s weren't you guys produced them so poorly they all crashing over the place ?
Sure whatever you say.JF-17 is produced cooperatively by china and pakistan using both Pakistani and chinese avionics
Lets look at the tejas using mish mash of stuff bought from all over the globe but still there is just a 1 fleet of tejas fighters lol
Having spoken to folks who did R&D work in Pakistan...indigenous proposals were laughed out of the room.Like I'll bite your "bait" I guess? Have you done an actual number crunch vis a vis %'s relative to flight hours of the platform in IAF use? Something you know how to do or even what that is?
Sure whatever you say.
I'm sure you will have lot better luck (compared to the dozens of Pakistanis I have chatted with that draw a blank when push comes to shove) showing and explaining the dearth of Pakistan underlying research relevant to the platform (including "avionics").
Then you can show me the facilities they have developed regarding that.
In the process, you hopefully don't end up exposing things like why Pakistan sits on large array of acquired (they call it "indigenous") ballistic missile technology yet is unable to develop even a small part of it into a basic sounding rocket program (quite unlike Iran and North Korea who have moved on to pretty big things past that).
OK if you say so.
You are after all the one that said quite openly you hate India because its degenerate (or something like that).
Would you out of interest think a conversation on anything related to Turkey would be productive with someone that said the same thing about Turkey?
Or you are a special exceptional case on this?
Please don't quote me any more and try your best to ignore every post I make.
It is a waste of your time, and infinitely worse....my time.
We Pakistanis need to become scathing in our criticism of our establishment. We can do so, so much more. In fact, I genuinely believe that with the right leadership and societal self-discipline + vision, we can become like Japan or South Korea within a generation. Unfortunately, we're driving the best talent out of the country, and letting our leaders (including generals) off the hook at every turn.
Arguably there is far more criticism of the Pakistani establishent then you will find in India. This applies in the political arena, media and their think tank community. You would struggle to find such establishment haters as Ayesha Siddiqa , Hussain Haqqani etc who actually have made of profession and living on baiting the Pakistani establishent. In fact there is a cottage industry that literally lives of propaganda dollars dished out for all things Pak bashing.We Pakistanis need to become scathing in our criticism of our establishment.
Having spoken to more then a 'few folks' at R&D they were positively thirsting for indigenous developent like a alcoholic cries for a sup after spending six months in Saudi desert.Having spoken to folks who did R&D work in Pakistan...indigenous proposals were laughed out of the room.
And India reinvented the wheel did it. All of Indian defence products are product of 'acquired' technology mostly from Russia, Israel and increasing US that is 'sexed' up and tagged Indian.Pakistan sits on large array of acquired (they call it "indigenous") ballistic missile technology
And India reinvented the wheel did it. All of Indian defence products are product of 'acquired' technology mostly from Russia, Israel and increasing US that is 'sexed' up and tagged Indian.
Arguably there is far more criticism of the Pakistani establishent then you will find in India. This applies in the political arena, media and their think tank community. You would struggle to find such establishment haters as Ayesha Siddiqa , Hussain Haqqani etc who actually have made of profession and living on baiting the Pakistani establishent. In fact there is a cottage industry that literally lives of propaganda dollars dished out for all things Pak bashing.
Then you have the media. Papers like Dawn literally are anti-military and not a day goes by with their contributors tearing away at the military or who they percieve as soft on the military like Imran Khan.
I live in UK and I can say with certitude that you would struggle to find another country with such a self hating ecosystem. The media in UK is far more converged with the establishment then in Pakistan leave alone USA where it at times looks like the offical mouthpiece of the militay-industrial complex or their corporate backers/financiers.
Ps. Some of the shenanigans pulled off by the hate cottage industry in Pakistan would land them in jail if same was done in Turkey. Dare the various Turkish media try it. Or dare a Turkish variant of Ayesha Siddiqa mouth off against the Turkish military or establishment and see what would happen.
Not accurate.
The Pakistani media aren't 'anti-military' because they're critiquing the establishment, but because they play the tunes of an equally bad counter-force (i.e., the political class). Basically, the whole media angle is literally just noise; it doesn't mean anything. The only ones getting offended are literally the ones taking sides between these two forces, but for those who truly bleed green, the charade is totally irrelevant.
They (politicians, generals) are opponents, yes, but at the end of the day, they're in the same housing establishments, their kids are in the same foreign universities, and the very actors themselves get their heart conditions treated in the West.
If we want true accountability, then we'd throw the book at our generals on one end, and ban every single political party in Pakistan on the other. The entire system at the top is corrupt and regressive. The longer this stupidity continues, the more average Pakistanis will disconnect. We're on the road to self-balkanization.
As for Turkey and India, their respective establishments cleaned house, that's the difference.
It is imperative to study and understand what a nationstate is and what a nation is....