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Why not ? There is 0 problem with pakistan , 0 conflicts and 0 different view on geopolitics around the world .
Pakistan is for Turkiye like US UK .

Issue is that China have powerful influence in Pakistan. This is Fact can not be ignored. Also there are Facts that China always use this opportunity like "Turkiye support and give to Pakistan high tech product" and at same time China will use his influence to get this tech for nothing paid to take it.

Please think little bit ahead do not fall and act because you are Naive to think that China will not force Pakistan to obey.
Pakistan is friend with Turkiye but also in big debt to China.
Example Turkiye give the military platform-> to Pakistan which is forced by China to give it to them.

Turkiye loss high tech, time for develop this platform, money
Pakistan is only take and give the platform (nothing is lost)
China is the Winner taking it for free, because they have powerful influence over Pakistan government

 

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If you sell them strategic weapoms like submarine and drones, why not this?
You compare submarines and UAVs which also can be bought from china to critical electronic warfare equipment??
Only downgraded version should be given or we should get nuclear technology in return!!
 

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You compare submarines and UAVs which also can be bought from china to critical electronic warfare equipment??
Only downgraded version should be given or we should get nuclear technology in return!!


Lol

They can buy it from china but they are buying it from us....

What is your point?

Submarine like STM500 is self a SIGINT capable submarine, thats a lot of critical hardware and software, and it does not make much difference when they downgrade it.

This fetish against Pakistan is not based on solid argument.
 
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lol

they can buy it from china but they are buying it from us....

what is your point?

Submarine like STM500 is self a SIGINT capable submarine, thats a lot of critical hardware and software, and it does not make much difference when they downgrade it.

this fetish against Pakistan is not based on solid argument.
You sure that they are not buying from china??
You just proved your point to be totally wrong!!
 

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Militarily, Pakistan had to get its weapons from a source before Türkiye had had any significant defence industry. Yet Pakistan was the first country to officially order T-129s and other equipment fairly early.

Logistically, China makes sense cause it's a neighbouring country with a decent defence industry.

Politically, the warmth in Pakistan-Türkiye relations have never been so strong, especially after taking Azerbaijan's side during the 44-day Karabagh war.
Note: Pakistan is the only country that doesn't recognise Armenia.

Culturally and Sentimentally, Türkiye is probably the #1 country that Pak people look up to and admire. Turkish TV shows, films, songs are very sought there, not ot mention the Pakistan-Türkiye-Azerbaijan theme that has been going on for quite a while.

Of course we shouldn't count extremists and bad apples who exist in every country and shouldn't be considered as representative of Pakistan.
 

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The overwhelming majority of Turkish citizens regardless of political affiliation supports and respects Pakistan. That's a fact.

Whatever Islamabad needs, we should provide without hesitation if we can.

Pakistan deserves it. It's basically the only country on this planet that has never turned its back on us.
 

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The overwhelming majority of Turkish citizens regardless of political affiliation supports and respects Pakistan. That's a fact.

Whatever Islamabad needs, we should provide without hesitation if we can.

Pakistan deserves it. It's basically the only country on this planet that has never turned its back on us.
It would be great if they weren't ignorant and a developed country. Like Indonesia and Malaysia...

The way they look at women is from the caveman era.
 

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It would be great if they weren't ignorant and a developed country. Like Indonesia and Malaysia...

The way they look at women is from the caveman era.
I think this is an gross over generalization! The people who wanted to create PAKISTAN were fairly civilized and educated.

However, when they came to the land to establish the country they ended up with bunch tribal people who suddenly become pakistanis. And the process of making this tribes civilized is not so easy.
 
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Issue is that China have powerful influence in Pakistan. This is Fact can not be ignored. Also there are Facts that China always use this opportunity like "Turkiye support and give to Pakistan high tech product" and at same time China will use his influence to get this tech for nothing paid to take it.

Please think little bit ahead do not fall and act because you are Naive to think that China will not force Pakistan to obey.
Pakistan is friend with Turkiye but also in big debt to China.
Example Turkiye give the military platform-> to Pakistan which is forced by China to give it to them.

Turkiye loss high tech, time for develop this platform, money
Pakistan is only take and give the platform (nothing is lost)
China is the Winner taking it for free, because they have powerful influence over Pakistan government

No offense! But these are not very serious assumptions. International geopolitics and security relationship doesn't works like that.

'Oh! I am in great depth with one of my friend, so whenever I get something valuable from my other friends i have to give him a chunk!' That's how teenage relationship works! not the international security relationship.

If you ever break any term and conditions in defence agreement by compromising the security of products you are done forever! No body will ever sell you anything critical in the future! Even non friendly countries know that very well let alone a friendly country like pakistan!

AND also, I don't think china in serious need for turkish technology. That's of course not to downplay turkish technological capability, but china is the next superpower.
 

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The overwhelming majority of Turkish citizens regardless of political affiliation supports and respects Pakistan. That's a fact.

Whatever Islamabad needs, we should provide without hesitation if we can.

Pakistan deserves it. It's basically the only country on this planet that has never turned its back on us.
I'm neutral towards Pakistan but you really don't know much about their history if you think they have always been super warm towards Turkey. Before Turks became their latest BFF, Pakistan used to be major BFFs with Iran and regarded them as their "brothers".
 

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I'm neutral towards Pakistan but you really don't know much about their history if you think they have always been super warm towards Turkey. Before Turks became their latest BFF, Pakistan used to be major BFFs with Iran and regarded them as their "brothers".
Pakistan and before Pakistan came about to be Indian Muslims have always been friendly towards Turkey. I don't think that Pakistan was on brotherly terms with Iran, after all Iran has always been extremely friendly with India. Some Pakistanis who are Shia are friendly towards Mullahstan
 

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Pakistan and before Pakistan came about to be Indian Muslims have always been friendly towards Turkey. I don't think that Pakistan was on brotherly terms with Iran, after all Iran has always been extremely friendly with India. Some Pakistanis who are Shia are friendly towards Mullahstan
especially new Pakistani PM is super close to Turkey, Turkey could easily share any technology, especially India started to become an open enemy, they deserve a counter to feel what it is being an open enemy
 

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