TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Anmdt]

Did FNSS mention anything of Kaplan MT in Saha Expo?
If the serial production of the first batch is on the line, first unit should have been out of the production line by now, or at least it was going to be mentioned by CEO in the Expo.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1459834172642627584

 

[Fighter_35]

In such kind of deals the "middle" man usually gets a cut. IMO this kind of dealings domestically add unnecessary cost.

e.g. TAF get TB2 and also signs deal with Baykar to deliver MAM instead of having Roketsan deliver it directly. Thus incurring additional expenses that could have been avoided.

Exactly, It is for Baykar to make money!!
Roketsan and Aselsan will produce staff but Baykara will sell it!! Why these companies sign deals with Baykar?? They do sign with TUSAŞ ,or any other platformorm producers like FNSS??

 

[Fighter_35]

This is for exports, it's pretty clear in the video if you watched it.

What about Aselsan cats?? If you watch Aselsan cats deal, you will see that it also includes tsk purchases!!

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1459836936919687176

Millenium and Gökdeniz have been shortlisted by the PN. PN intends to aquire 4 CIWS for their two HDC-2600 Corvettes and two future HDC-3100 Light Frigates they have received and will receive from SK.

The HDC-2600 Corvettes are already equipped with 30mm SMASH RWS by Aselsan.

 

[Anmdt]

STM'den Ukrayna'ya Ada sınıfı korvet projesinde Optik Muhabere Sistemi ihracatı

STM danışmanlığında, Bahçeşehir Üniversitesi tarafından tasarlanıp üretilen yenilikçi optik muharebe sisteminin Ukrayna'ya ihraç edildiğini aktardı.

www.defenceturk.net

Optical combat communication system is exported to Ukraine within the Ukraine's Ada Class project.
Developed by BAU and licensed by STM for exports and marketing.
The system allows communication between SOF teams and underwater, or SOF to surface, or between surface platforms.
Features as: can not be intercepted, listened or jammed.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Does the tb2 only integrate turkish made bombs? If so which bombs does turkey export together with tb2?

 

[Agha Sher]

Does the tb2 only integrate turkish made bombs? If so which bombs does turkey export together with tb2?

Turkey is exporting MAM-C and MAM-L primarily with TB2

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Turkey is exporting MAM-C and MAM-L primarily with TB2

Im asking because i saw a photo of tb2 in moroccan sahara bombing polisario, and the damage was not very massive. Probably mam C i guess

 

[Anmdt]

Turkish defence industry firms should boost up their law departments and security protocols on the export meetings.

There have been losses, at least on 2 big export chances that were on the stage of financial planning, and most matters were agreed on the technical part. Some well-known western companies have jumped in both, started negotiations right from where Turkish company was carrying on and bagged the deal in the end, knowing exactly what Turkish has offered, and could offer in the next stage. They have completed the deal in two weeks, which Turkey has spent 2 months including the technical and financial planning from scratch.

Either some export partners are not up to the security protocols or the initial agreements on confidentiality, or there are some leaks from the Turkish companies, not related to technical but financial matters.

Thus the lawyer departments should beef up. First to stop some clever customers using Turkish companies as levarage to get more from west, then to stop them sharing those documents with confidentiality with the others.

 

[Saithan]

Turkish defence industry firms should boost up their law departments and security protocols on the export meetings.

There have been losses, at least on 2 big export chances that were on the stage of financial planning, and most matters were agreed on the technical part. Some well-known western companies have jumped in both, started negotiations right from where Turkish company was carrying on and bagged the deal in the end, knowing exactly what Turkish has offered, and could offer in the next stage. They have completed the deal in two weeks, which Turkey has spent 2 months including the technical and financial planning from scratch.

Either some export partners are not up to the security protocols or the initial agreements on confidentiality, or there are some leaks from the Turkish companies, not related to technical but financial matters.

Thus the lawyer departments should beef up. First to stop some clever customers using Turkish companies as levarage to get more from west, then to stop them sharing those documents with confidentiality with the others.

Sounds so fishy that I'm guessing it's an european country. Perhaps encrypted documents and encrypted digital platform should be used.

 

[Siper>MMU]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461045935811837961

 

[Stuka]

HÜRKUŞ Exports from TUSAŞ to Niger​

President Erdoğan stated that the TB2 SİHA, HÜRKUŞ and armored vehicles to be procured by Niger from Turkey will increase the capacities of the military and security forces of this country.

Thus, TUSAS General Manager Prof. Dr. Announced by Temel Kotil, it has been revealed that the recipient country of HÜRKUŞ exports is Niger.

TUSAŞ'tan Nijer'e HÜRKUŞ İhracatı | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ tarafından geliştirilen HÜRKUŞ Askeri Eğitim Uçağı, Nijer yolcusu. Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Nijer'e HÜRKUŞ ihraç edildiğini duyurdu.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Hexciter]

It is said that the Hürkuş contract is 12 units and the armed configuration is preferred.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461365730260119558

 

[Hexciter]

The first customer of the Hürkuş is Niger. There is another customer in line.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461381217887170560

 

[Oublious]

Im asking because i saw a photo of tb2 in moroccan sahara bombing polisario, and the damage was not very massive. Probably mam C i guess

target is dead or not?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

target is dead or not?

22 got killed that day including the one in the photo. I just covered the uncensored picture.

 

[Siper>MMU]

22 got killed that day including the one in the photo. I just covered the uncensored picture.

can you send me in the dm's ?

 

[Siper>MMU]

Malaysian LCA Tender requirements:

• 8 aircraft advanced jet trainer
• 10 aircraft combat aircraft with nose radar and BVR
• Supersonic speed
• BVR capability
• %30 local production
• Cost: 4 billion RM- 2 billion RM will ve paid via oil product trade
• Schedule: 35 months after the contract

Contenders:

• Russia Mig-35: Expensive chioce, costly maintenance. Malaysia had cancelled the similar tender in 2018 due to lack of funds.
• India LCA: Rumoured that Mk1 has a unit cost around 60 million $. Indian and Russian solutions met the Malaysian requirements but both are expensive solutions. Since Malaysia wants to pay the half of the money via oil trade, The costs become more important in this tender.
• Turkey Hürjet: Hürjet met all requirements of Malaysian LCA tender on paper (supersonic speeds, BVR, nose radar, combat missions, trainer aircraft) but the aircraft is in prototype production phase so TAI wants Malaysia to participate the production. In fact Signature+36 months: end of 2025 and This date matchs with Hurjet development schedule and so I believe Hürjet is the strongest candidate in this tender
• China L15: This aircraft is supersonic. Armed variant is for combat missions and this aircraft is using AI-222 turbofan. The US could put pressure on Ukraine and hinder the sale of engines as they did in past and this may frighten the customer but aircraft is a strong candidate in Malaysian tender.
• Korea F50: This aircraft among all is very strong candidate but F50 has neither nose radar nor the ability to launch a BVR missile. Korea is selling the T50 as a combat variant for air-ground missions.
• Italy M346: this aircraft can barely reach supersonic speeds and was not developed for the BVR mission. It may be an excellent jet trainer, but it remains a simple competitor in the armed version, considering Malaysian demands.

They want probe and drogue AAR capability. The guy who prepared the bid document said that Malaysians only wanted WVR capability. He also said that TUSAS's calender with Hürjet prototyping and serial production is missing Malaysian requirements with a couple of months. So they are offering higher Malaysian contribution and lower costs to make it up.

 

[Lool]

Malaysian LCA Tender requirements:

• 8 aircraft advanced jet trainer
• 10 aircraft combat aircraft with nose radar and BVR
• Supersonic speed
• BVR capability
• %30 local production
• Cost: 4 billion RM- 2 billion RM will ve paid via oil product trade
• Schedule: 35 months after the contract

Contenders:

• Russia Mig-35: Expensive chioce, costly maintenance. Malaysia had cancelled the similar tender in 2018 due to lack of funds.
• India LCA: Rumoured that Mk1 has a unit cost around 60 million $. Indian and Russian solutions met the Malaysian requirements but both are expensive solutions. Since Malaysia wants to pay the half of the money via oil trade, The costs become more important in this tender.
• Turkey Hürjet: Hürjet met all requirements of Malaysian LCA tender on paper (supersonic speeds, BVR, nose radar, combat missions, trainer aircraft) but the aircraft is in prototype production phase so TAI wants Malaysia to participate the production. In fact Signature+36 months: end of 2025 and This date matchs with Hurjet development schedule and so I believe Hürjet is the strongest candidate in this tender
• China L15: This aircraft is supersonic. Armed variant is for combat missions and this aircraft is using AI-222 turbofan. The US could put pressure on Ukraine and hinder the sale of engines as they did in past and this may frighten the customer but aircraft is a strong candidate in Malaysian tender.
• Korea F50: This aircraft among all is very strong candidate but F50 has neither nose radar nor the ability to launch a BVR missile. Korea is selling the T50 as a combat variant for air-ground missions.
• Italy M346: this aircraft can barely reach supersonic speeds and was not developed for the BVR mission. It may be an excellent jet trainer, but it remains a simple competitor in the armed version, considering Malaysian demands.

What do they exactly mean when they said they want "malaysia to participate in the production"?