TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Sanchez]

Chile???

That would be South America, not Pacific. Pacific naming is indeed interesting.

Tulpar with its HITFACT MkII 120 mm turret by Leonardo is a tailored solution to meet the upcoming modernization to replace Brazil’s Leopard 1 and M113 inventory.

CV90120 is now also being sent to Brazil for testing. There's the first rival. Otokar securing this would be a major victory.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908531853075611934

 

[Philip the Arab]

Turkey Exports First Jet Engine to Brazil!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908176377477521683

Türkiye İlk Jet Motoru İhracatını Brezilya'ya Gerçekleştirdi! | SavunmaSanayiST

Türkiye Brezilya'ya jet motoru ihraç edecek. Kale Jet Motorları, KTJ-3200 Turbojet Füze Motoru ihracatı için Brezilyalı SIATT ile sözleşme imzaladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Oh, I forgot to add as far as putting a number to it expect a fairly large number of engines needed. Angola, UAE, and Brazil should all operate the MANSUP-ER and there will be other variants including an ARM under development.

1-2 hundred minimum imho!

 

[zio]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908181784409378848

What we had an experience from french engine is software limited working for a period of time,ktj 3200 is not.

 

[hugh]

What we had an experience from french engine is software limited working for a period of time,ktj 3200 is not.

We are a signatory of MTCR. So we will probably, have to limit the range of the engine.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Rare Earths to Become New Pillar in US–Turkiye Relations | TURDEF

Turkiye becomes a major NATO ally with increasing rare earth elements (REEs) potential as the US searches for substitutes for Chinese mineral supply chains.

turdef.com

A deal to supply rare earth elements to US should accompany many conditions that favour Türkiye. I hope that the government don’t down-sale the importance of these strategic materials.

This could become a very good opportunity for us to establish some ground rules with US. Abolishing CAATSA, more leeway for us in Syria etc.

 

[boredaf]

Rare Earths to Become New Pillar in US–Turkiye Relations | TURDEF

Turkiye becomes a major NATO ally with increasing rare earth elements (REEs) potential as the US searches for substitutes for Chinese mineral supply chains.

turdef.com

A deal to supply rare earth elements to US should accompany many conditions that favour Türkiye. I hope that the government don’t down-sale the importance of these strategic materials.

This could become a very good opportunity for us to establish some ground rules with US. Abolishing CAATSA, more leeway for us in Syria etc.

This is something US needs desperately now, they closed their biggest rare earth mine in California years ago because they were able to get it so cheaply from China. If the government bends over for US after China halted the export of rare earths to them, then they are traitors to this country.

 

[Iskander]

It is known that Azerbaijan has been unable to purchase the Turkish SOM cruise missile for a long time due to its French engine. The Azerbaijani publication "Haqqin Az" writes that after this obstacle was removed with the development of the KTJ-3200, Azerbaijan ordered more than 400 (!) of these missiles from Roketsan.

The SOM model was first demonstrated at a military parade in Baku in 2018

Анкара и Баку преодолели «французский барьер»: азербайджанский штурмовик «Лачин» с крылатой ракетой SOM!

haqqin.az

 

[TR_123456]

It is known that Azerbaijan has been unable to purchase the Turkish SOM cruise missile for a long time due to its French engine. The Azerbaijani publication "Haqqin Az" writes that after this obstacle was removed with the development of the KTJ-3200, Azerbaijan ordered more than 400 (!) of these missiles from Roketsan.

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The SOM model was first demonstrated at a military parade in Baku in 2018

Анкара и Баку преодолели «французский барьер»: азербайджанский штурмовик «Лачин» с крылатой ракетой SOM!

haqqin.az

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Can they be used on the JF-17's also?

 

[Saithan]

Isn't that partly Why we've conducted test on swapping out the sensors and such on a JF17 ? So it can use Turkish armaments kits and such?

 

[Iskander]

Can they be used on the JF-17's also?

The same article states that:
"It is stated that the launch was carried out using the UBAS (Universal Independent Launch System) system developed by the Turkish defense industry. The peculiarity of this system is that it allows the integration of Turkish weapons, including SOM cruise missiles, on any air platform without interfering with their on-board electronics. Under normal conditions, the integration of such weapons, for example, on the F-16 or the Soviet Su-25, requires access to the on-board computer and the installation of special software. UBAS eliminates this need, ensuring the launch of weapons regardless of the platform."

(Our colleague from Canada wrote about this here earlier)


The number that surprised me the most was "more than 400"
That's a lot.
And it's true that I would like to have 4000

 

[boredaf]

Isn't that partly Why we've conducted test on swapping out the sensors and such on a JF17 ?

When did that happen?

 

[Strong AI]

Isn't that partly Why we've conducted test on swapping out the sensors and such on a JF17 ? So it can use Turkish armaments kits and such?

AFAIK they don't have to change anything on the JF-17s, because they got permission from China to use turkish weapons.

 

[Azeri441]

It is known that Azerbaijan has been unable to purchase the Turkish SOM cruise missile for a long time due to its French engine. The Azerbaijani publication "Haqqin Az" writes that after this obstacle was removed with the development of the KTJ-3200, Azerbaijan ordered more than 400 (!) of these missiles from Roketsan.

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The SOM model was first demonstrated at a military parade in Baku in 2018

Анкара и Баку преодолели «французский барьер»: азербайджанский штурмовик «Лачин» с крылатой ракетой SOM!

haqqin.az

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I don't believe the 400 number, Azerbaijan generally doesn't buy such strategic weapons in such massive quantities, does Turkey itself even have 400 SOMs?

 

[Ripley]

I don't believe the 400 number, Azerbaijan generally doesn't buy such strategic weapons in such massive quantities, does Turkey itself even have 400 SOMs?

Four hundred is really huge tbh. But if it was true, such a deal would be dispersed over years with a delivery schedule.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Four hundred is really huge tbh. But if it was true, such a deal would be dispersed over years with a delivery schedule.

SOM has been around for quite a while now. We first saw it in IDEF11 with much disbelief only to witness their firing test and rapid service entry just a year or so later.
so we have been mass producing them since 2013 at the latest so providing 400 units to Azerbaijan is not too far-fatched.

What I'd like to know is how many units do we have in Turkish Armed Forces inventory?? I have a vague recollection of the number 800, and that was years ago.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I don't believe the 400 number, Azerbaijan generally doesn't buy such strategic weapons in such massive quantities, does Turkey itself even have 400 SOMs?

in real full out war with another country , the 400 missile bomb like SOM or other type will finish for 1 month , ask russian , thats why they now use millions of cheap drones and iranians one .

 

[Iskander]

SOM has been around for quite a while now. We first saw it in IDEF11 with much disbelief only to witness their firing test and rapid service entry just a year or so later.
so we have been mass producing them since 2013 at the latest so providing 400 units to Azerbaijan is not too far-fatched.

What I'd like to know is how many units do we have in Turkish Armed Forces inventory?? I have a vague recollection of the number 800, and that was years ago.

It seems to me that Turkey should have not a measly 400, but at least 4,000!
15 years ago, the US had 8,000 Tomahawks alone.
I am not saying this for the sake of rhetoric, but taking into account the global tension.
Here is some data for comparison:
In 1991, the Americans fired 122 Tomahawks in the first salvo at Iraq.
In 2011, 112 Tomahawks were fired at 20 targets in Libya.
In 2017, the US fired at least 40 Tomahawks at just one airbase in Syria!!!
Space images confirmed 40 hits on the airbase in Homs.
That is, the Americans considered it expedient to fire 40 expensive missiles at one target.
It should also be taken into account that the Tomahawk warhead weighs about half a ton, while the SOM warhead weighs only 230 kg.
Russia had even more of them before the war. In 3 years, the Russians launched more than 10,000 missiles at Ukraine!!!
Our neighbor Iran has more than 3,000 ballistic missiles alone.
I don’t know how many missiles Turkey needs, but Russia’s neighbors should definitely take into account that the Russians produce missiles practically according to the principle: you can’t spoil porridge with butter.

Some data from here

https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/recent/article-view/article/2686540/tomahawk-missiles-brought-power-to-the-punch-during-operation-enduring-freedom/

 

[mTT]

Can they be used on the JF-17's also?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1830512133580193978

 

[Saithan]

Cheap, smart and effective is the way to go. Missiles like SOM are meant for strategic targets

 

[I_Love_F16]

It seems to me that Turkey should have not a measly 400, but at least 4,000!
15 years ago, the US had 8,000 Tomahawks alone.
I am not saying this for the sake of rhetoric, but taking into account the global tension.
Here is some data for comparison:
In 1991, the Americans fired 122 Tomahawks in the first salvo at Iraq.
In 2011, 112 Tomahawks were fired at 20 targets in Libya.
In 2017, the US fired at least 40 Tomahawks at just one airbase in Syria!!!
Space images confirmed 40 hits on the airbase in Homs.
That is, the Americans considered it expedient to fire 40 expensive missiles at one target.
It should also be taken into account that the Tomahawk warhead weighs about half a ton, while the SOM warhead weighs only 230 kg.
Russia had even more of them before the war. In 3 years, the Russians launched more than 10,000 missiles at Ukraine!!!
Our neighbor Iran has more than 3,000 ballistic missiles alone.
I don’t know how many missiles Turkey needs, but Russia’s neighbors should definitely take into account that the Russians produce missiles practically according to the principle: you can’t spoil porridge with butter.

Some data from here

https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/recent/article-view/article/2686540/tomahawk-missiles-brought-power-to-the-punch-during-operation-enduring-freedom/

To have 4000 SOM’s is not realistic at all. We don’t have the money to buy and produce all these. We are not the United States.