Analysis Economic Crisis in the USA - Middle Income Class Collapsed

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Welcome back to ‘70s-style stagflation misery, thanks to Uncle Joe​




A feckless Team Biden has set America up for a new round of 1970s-style stagflation. The similarities between then and now are eerie.

Seventies stagflation resulted from profligate fiscal policy, politicized monetary policy and food and energy shocks. President Lyndon Johnson’s guns-and-butter decision to simultaneously finance both the Vietnam War and his Great Society programs triggered a wave of demand-pull inflation.

After President Richard Nixon appointed Arthur Burns as Federal Reserve chair, Burns cranked up the Fed printing press in support of Nixon’s re-election efforts. The resulting currency debasement forced Nixon to abandon the US dollar standard, the linchpin of the global monetary system; the dollar cratered, driving up import prices and further stoking inflation.

The US economy also suffered two crippling supply-side crises. Food prices soared as a result of bad weather, Soviet grain purchases and cropland mismanagement. Energy prices skyrocketed, thanks to the Arab oil embargo. When President Jimmy Carter ran against Ronald Reagan for re-election, America’s “misery index” — the unemployment rate plus the inflation rate — had breached 20 percent.

Today, fiscal policy is more profligate. In 1979, federal outlays were a bit over 19 percent of gross domestic product. According to the latest Congressional Budget Office numbers, meanwhile, federal outlays will be 30.6 percent in 2021. And the proposed expenditures now on the table for a $3.5 trillion red-ink-palooza and faux $1 trillion “infrastructure” package threaten to sustain that profligacy going forward.

At the Federal Reserve, Chairman Jerome Powell has been committed to accommodating just about any level of fiscal madness progressive Democrats can jam through. As he lobbies for reappointment, the Fed printing presses are spinning so fast, they would put old Arthur Burns to shame.

On the external shock front, the pandemic has struck at three main pillars of urban prosperity: high-rise office buildings, mass transit and entertainment districts. Before the pandemic hit, office occupancy rates in core US metropolitan areas like New York and Chicago were well above 90 percent. Today, those figures range as low as 30 percent; much of white-collar America has learned to work remotely.

This structural shock has kicked all manner of low-income service workers to the urban curb, from the janitors and food-service workers to barbers and beauticians and shoe-shiners. Excessive unemployment compensation has compounded this structural joblessness. In many cases, it has been more lucrative for workers to stay on the COVID “stimulus” dole than to go to work.

Adding to these blue-collar woes, the Biden administration catastrophically ended the Trump “safe third nation” agreements with Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, a policy that was keeping immigrants on the other side of our southern border. More than 2 million poorly educated illegal aliens are expected to flood into the United States in 2021, and they will put significant downward pressure on real wages for lower-income workers.

Then there is this: Whether you support a policy of universal vaccination, the Biden “no jab, no job” policy will further distort labor markets, as significant fractions of workers are likely to refuse to abide by this mandate when the feds finalize it. The resulting furloughs will induce further supply shortages in labor markets, even as they create problems in understaffed essential sectors (fire, police, health, military and national security).

A re-evaluation of the administration’s universal vaccination policy might allow, at a minimum, workers who have already contracted COVID and who therefore have robust antibodies to have full labor-market access. Meanwhile, a concerted effort to onshore America’s supply chains could reduce the risks that arise from external shocks.

As it is, the pandemic and the overbroad lockdown response have spawned severe disruptions in global supply chains. We now face looming shortages of everything from computer chips and food to toys for Christmas.

Make no mistake, the inflation genie is already out of the bottle. But if Congress adds fuel to the fire with trillions in more spending, then the ’70s will be a happy memory by comparison.

Peter Navarro, who served as assistant to the president for trade and manufacturing policy in the Trump White House, is author of the forthcoming book “In Trump Time: A Journal of America’s Plague Year.


East Coast Ports: You’re Next​


With congestion at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach causing massive backups, shippers have started to send more freight to the East Coast instead, according to Supply Chain Dive. The major ports on the East Coast, such as New York/New Jersey, Virginia, Charleston, and Savannah, are reporting higher cargo volumes as other West Coast alternatives, such as Seattle and Vancouver, are becoming congested as well.

To get from East Asia to the East Coast of the United States, ships must pass through the Panama Canal. That adds about seven days to a ship’s journey and about $3,000 to the price of a container, but backups are so severe that those costs are becoming worthwhile.

Supply Chain Dive reports that East Coast ports are more confident they will be able to handle increased cargo loads. The Florida Ports Council is practically begging shippers to send their freight through Tampa or Miami instead of waiting in line off the coast of Southern California. In a rhetorical flourish, the council’s president and CEO said, “Our seaports are the solution to ensure the cargo shipping logjam doesn’t become the grinch that stole Christmas.” The Port of Charleston has invested about $2 billion in infrastructure improvements over the last few years. The Port of Savannah’s capacity will increase when a major construction project is completed in December. As Rich Lowry noted in his recent piece for Politico, the Port of Virginia is more automated than other American ports and is better equipped to handle increased volume.

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) only represents workers at the major ports on the West Coast of the United States and Canada. The ILWU’s stranglehold on West Coast ports has caused labor prices to skyrocket and made technological development difficult since the union sees increased automation as a threat to its workers. East Coast workers are represented by the International Longshoremen’s Association, which has historically been less effective than the ILWU at restricting the labor supply and stifling automation.

People are forward-looking, and they find ways to improve outcomes when they see something is not working. Our West Coast ports are not working, so East Coast ports are becoming more attractive. That creates new challenges by increasing stress on East Coast infrastructure. Over the past 30 years, Pacific trade has become much more important than Atlantic trade, so West Coast ports have gotten most of the attention.

Problems in competitive systems are never static, which is one reason why government solutions often don’t work. It was only a few days ago that the Biden administration was patting itself on the back for supposedly cajoling Los Angeles and Long Beach into operating 24/7. That was a step in the right direction, but shippers were already looking at the East Coast at that point. Government is never going to be as fast in coming up with solutions as the people with money on the line and promises to keep. If the East Coast can step up and take some pressure off the West Coast, that would be a welcome development.


These Out-of-Work Americans Tell Us Job Market Turmoil Is Anything But Transitory​


It’s a riddle dogging employers, the White House, and Wall Street economists alike: Where are the 5 million workers still missing from the U.S. job market—and when will they return?

Nationwide there’s more than one job opening for every American who wants to work. Yet September had the smallest monthly gain in payrolls this year, at 194,000, defying predictions by some politicians and economists that the expiration of emergency federal unemployment benefits would prod more people to find work. The contradictory data speak of a labor market that has been profoundly disrupted by the Covid-19 crisis—and may remain so for some time.

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To find out why so many working-age people remain on the sidelines, Bloomberg News spoke at length with 10 of them. Several said they were reluctant to accept a part-time position when what they needed was a full-time one. Others are caring for kids or elderly family members, which limits their ability to work. Still others are in the middle of changing careers and need to skill up. Many are scared of contracting the coronavirus.

About 2.6 million people remain on state jobless benefit rolls. Others are tapping federal and local safety net programs, such as rental assistance. Some are relying on the kindness of relatives.

In the U.S. the pandemic abruptly severed the relationship between employers and employees. That’s in contrast with European countries, where millions of workers were furloughed rather than fired and therefore had a job to come back to. Rebuilding those connections will take time. “Having the same number of job openings and unemployed or underemployed workers does not imply that there will be a very simple direct match,” says Julia Pollak, chief economist at ZipRecruiter Inc., an online jobs marketplace.

Precious Briggs was laid off from her job as a server at a casino in Las Vegas in April of last year, at the start of the lockdowns. When restrictions lifted, she expected her former employer to summon her back, but the call never came.

While surveys show that many workers have abandoned the hospitality industry, Briggs, 32, says she loved her old job. “It was a dream of mine to leave my little Louisiana town and come here and cocktail,” she says. Other casinos have offered her part-time work at the state minimum wage of $9.75, well below the $14 an hour she used to make before tips. Her old job also came with health insurance and other benefits. “They’re hiring for positions that’s only one day a week, two days a week, and people cannot make it off of that,” she says.


Briggs, who exhausted all her unemployment and pandemic benefits, is getting by on rental assistance, Medicaid, and support from her family. As Vegas continues to reopen, she says she’s confident she will land a job.

There were 10.4 million open positions in the U.S. in August, according to the Department of Labor. And there’s no shortage of news stories quoting employers who say it’s impossible to find workers. Melisa Gillett’s experience shows the reality is more complicated.

For about three decades, Gillett worked from home transcribing medical documents from hospital visits until Covid restrictions sent demand for her services plummeting. The 57-year-old says she can’t find similar work that pays more than $9 an hour, which is about a third of what she used to make.

Gillett’s small town in Ionia County, Mich., doesn’t have much in the way of well-paying jobs. Also, she has lupus, an autoimmune disease, which puts her at higher risk of contracting Covid. That made her reluctant to check for openings at the local grocery store, the Walmart, and a poultry plant nearby. “They cut you off and then they go, ‘OK! We have these 11 million jobs available!’ Well, I’m in rural America. The jobs are not here,” she says, speaking on the phone from the one-bedroom apartment she shares with two dogs and a cat. “I had good training. I know my stuff. I just never dreamed that I wouldn’t make it to retirement.”

Gillett says she has no money left in her checking account after using up the government’s emergency Covid payments. Her landlord served an eviction notice, and she figures the food in her refrigerator and kitchen cabinets will only last her three weeks.

Earlier this month, Gillett accepted an offer from an employer. Not long after, she learned she’d been infected with Covid and reached out to the company to ask if they’d hold the job until she was well enough to work. She hasn’t heard back. (More than three-quarters of job seekers surveyed by Indeed, a jobs website, report being ghosted by prospective employers since the start of the pandemic.)

Zach McGrath, the single father of an 11-year-old son with special needs, worked in TV and film production before the pandemic. He’s looking outside the industry now, because 16-hour days won’t allow him the flexibility to look after Maxwell if classrooms shut down suddenly as a result of Covid cases. “The school closings, the random four-day quarantines are like the sword of Damocles,” says McGrath, 36, speaking from his home in Richmond, Va. “There are a few jobs around, but for the amount I would have to pay for child care, it doesn’t make sense for me to do it,” he says. Maxwell’s mother lives more than 300 miles away in New Jersey.


McGrath doled out much of the government assistance he received in the past year to needier family members. He was receiving about $575 a week from expanded emergency unemployment benefits that he no longer qualifies for. He now relies on his son’s Social Security payments, child support, and gig work to help with the $800-a-month rent and other bills. The basics are covered but not the extras—like car repairs.

“It’s a labor market that hasn’t fully healed,” says Bruce Kasman, chief economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. He and other economists forecast the unemployment rate will revert to the pre-pandemic level of 3.8% sometime in 2023. Experts also anticipate further gains in wages. Many mid-tier earners, though, say that’s not what they’re seeing.

Veronica Correa, a 43-year-old in Philadelphia, worked in administration for a decade, with her last job at an educational nonprofit paying about $55,000 a year. Despite that experience and an associate degree, she’s being offered similar roles for as little as half that. “I do get interviews, and I get job offers. The problem is the pay,” she says. “They want you to do a job with major responsibilities, and they’re offering you a salary that when you turn around, you’re like: Well, how am I supposed to live?”

Correa and her husband, a parking enforcement officer, are having to make do on the workers’ compensation he collects after sustaining an injury while on duty, plus about $700 a week in unemployment benefits. At the moment, she’s applying for every job she can, hoping one a little closer to her former salary will come along.

She’s not the only one who thinks she can afford to be choosy for a while longer. About 65% of respondents in a September survey by ZipRecruiter said they don’t feel the financial pressure to accept the first job offer they receive—roughly unchanged since April.

In Chicago, construction worker Abel Peralta is among the 4.5 million workers in the U.S. who are underemployed, according to government statistics. Building projects in the city are stalled because of shortages of materials and labor. Where he once reliably got 40 hours of work a week at $16 to $20 an hour in cash, Peralta says, now it’s a day or two a week—three if he’s lucky.


The 44-year-old wasn’t eligible for government stimulus checks or unemployment benefits because he’s undocumented. He tapped his savings until they ran out last year. He’s now getting by on sporadic jobs and rental assistance from a local nonprofit, hoping demand for construction labor will pick up. “I’m in limbo right now,” he says, speaking in Spanish. “I wouldn’t want to leave construction. It’s what I like doing best.”

Economists have struggled to evaluate how much of the labor shortage is the result of people switching industries, which requires retraining.

Artist Wendy Bantam, 52, of Lincoln, Neb., has painted canvases and murals for three decades. She went back to school this year for a certificate in electrocardiography. Many of the residencies, projects, and part-time teaching work she lost in 2020 haven’t come back, she says. Income from the sale of her paintings isn’t enough to pay a mortgage and other bills, even though she now grows a lot of her own food.

“Ultimately it would be great to get a full-time job as an electrocardiographer, but I don’t know yet,” Bantam says. “I have a master’s degree, you know? I taught university-level in the arts.”

Among those who left traditional employment with no plans to return is Josh Dorgan. He worked as a pediatric nurse and hospital unit manager in Omaha and in 2018 began trading cryptocurrency. During the pandemic, the 31-year-old Dorgan began to feel increasingly frustrated. “It was really hard sitting in my office making a few hundred dollars a day or whatever it was and then taking a trade on my lunch break and making my whole day’s wage in five minutes.”

After hiring a financial adviser—his wife insisted—he quit in August of last year. Since then, Dorgan says, he’s made more than seven figures and the family has been able to purchase a vacation home. He relishes the flexibility of choosing his own hours and being able to care for his newborn. He also has more time for exercise and meditation, which he says he ignored for the better part of the last decade.

The number of Covid-19 infections may be ebbing in the U.S., but its threat is still present. More than 3 million respondents in a U.S. Census Bureau survey from September cited concerns about contracting or spreading the coronavirus as a reason for not working.

Sandra Bolinger, 48, and her wife, Donna, 47, are both social workers who were in regular contact with elderly people. They’re also immunocompromised. In Adams County, Pa., where they live with Sandra’s mother, less than half the 100,000 residents are fully vaccinated.

Sandra says managers at her workplace didn’t heed the state’s safety recommendations, even in the second Covid wave in January, so she quit that month. Donna hasn’t worked since June.

They have savings to cover about four months’ worth of expenses, money they socked away from the sale of their previous house in 2018. Donna is debating whether to accept a job offer, because there’s a trade-off—work remotely, part time without benefits, or go in person and be paid in line with her prior job, including benefits. “We are left back with that decision of: Is it worth the risk?” she says. “Today we can still ask it. But I don’t know how much longer we are going to be able to ask that question.”
 
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Usa's working class has been destroyed in the long run thanks to Ronald Reagan and it continued under successive presidents regardless if they were republican or democrat.
 

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This pandemic stripped US naked, showing a country plagued with problems and crisis.

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Have to admit that China had worried for decades of possible large scale US sanctions against China, only in 2019 after Trump's trade war did China suddenly find out actually US had always been bluffing, there's nothing US can do about China, it can't hurt China without hurting itself much much worse, now the sentiment towards US changed from fear and admiration to despise and contempt.
 
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The middle income class in the USA is collapsing. The new economic crisis began to take effect in the USA. I think the storm will gradually engulf the whole Earth.

I disagree on the notion of collapsing/collapsed.

I am no ally of the severe strategic mistakes the US has been doing since the cold war ended (and also much of their unecesary genesis during the cold war as well).

The war on poverty since LBJ time (when he wasnt occupied with listening to Mcnamara on how many north vietnamese and vietcong were to be "efficiently" handled by whatever constrained power level US imposed on itself).....has cost the US some 20+ trillion dollars during the era of cold war up till now.

Yet it has had little net effect....and only grown govt dependency (on some sections of society) and the culture of marxist-statism that follows behind it inevitably.

Whereas it has been a well regulated free market that has done the most to improve economic livelihoods and rid poverty (by effective price and productivity signalling in an environment that allies to opportunity and maximised individual freedom).

A grandiose lesson on the applicability of big govt program to even the earlier "better" era....that strangely seems to be doubled down on again by (unsurprisingly) the same big-govt braindead types and their many sycophants.

So the interplay of covid (originating from Wuhan and needlessly spread by the CCP: https://defencehub.live/threads/10-...and-messed-up-early-on-in-the-pandemic.10228/ ) and its psychological and direct impacts add to a number of underlying issues which I will cover in my next reply.

But these covid effects (and big govt over-response and debt lever use or other ham-fisted levers) are not specific to the US, but a global phenomenon of big unwieldy govt (causing the current stagflation for example).

One will notice the 70s was a "lost decade" so to speak in the US for similar reasons as well....but they recovered after it.

However we must recognise the US is a vast system with vast wealth and vast (hard and soft) power within it.

It is estimated its total wealth is somewhere around 120 trillion USD.

About 1/5th of which it converts to (consumption + investment i.e "GDP") per year.

The govt debt now equals about that 1/5th as well.

But that leaves time w.r.t 4/5ths if we are to use a 100% leveraging dire scenario of system collapse (which an actual middle class collapse certainly would forebode).

This is the reason the whole world continues like clockwork to use the USD and buy US govt debt like theres no tomorrow.

Surely if the middle class is collapsing or has collapsed (as the title insinuates)....the reasoned minds of the rest of the world would have long stopped buying US bonds?

Yet some countries like PRC are so addicted to US bonds and the US system....they dont even open a bank account (by any of their state banks) for their chief political hack executive in HK (Carrie Lam) after she attracted US banking sanctions.

Whats the hold up?.....why can't the PRC govt simply pay Carrie Lam in Yuan with a state bank account? Its been more than a year now to do something so simple....

The answer in the end shows why the US middle income class is certainly not "collapsing"...much less "collapsed"...

So the issues and challenges are indeed serious and even dire (no doubt made worse by covid).....but there is plenty of resource and time to mount better renaissance and rediscovery of US core strengths....should the US desire to.

I am a right winger (North American libertarian) on these things, so it is imperative to talk to a well reasoned left-winger on these topics too....so that members get both sides of a story/perspective more.

This forum is new and I have not yet found such person here yet...

Several of my longest replies have not been picked up and taken further in appreciable way I would have preferred....so I must cut this one somewhat short.

No proofreading on this one....so sorry in advance for mistakes and typos.

I will speak to the "underlying" issues next post as there seem to be some confusion here as to what "capitalism" "reagan" etc even is and means. These are just names (to be defined as one wants to selectively) without much meaning to the deep core and root (which I will talk about in next post later....since it deals with human psychology).

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This is the reason the whole world continues like clockwork to use the USD and buy US govt debt like theres no tomorrow.

Surely if the middle class is collapsing or has collapsed (as the title insinuates)....the reasoned minds of the rest of the world would have long stopped buying US bonds?

Quick, kill this infection of dire predictions for USA coming from the well-known contagion elsewhere! :D
 

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To be fair, even pro-American and pro-NATO newspapers, commentators, journalists, politicians and scientists in Europe are painting a dire picture of the US in general. I am no American, I don't know the country and the US society from personal experience but people here in Europe, the UK, Turkey, Australia even in far east countries like Japan and other societies really have this feeling, intuition or even suspicion that something is wrong/off with the US of A - and it doesn't get better. Biden's election hasn't changed anything. It kind of feels like we all are waiting for a big "boom" - whatever this might be.

The situation is hard to describe.
 

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other societies really have this feeling, intuition or even suspicion that something is wrong/off with the US of A

More like jealousy rather than anything substantive. :D
 

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More like jealousy rather than anything substantive. :D

I wouldn't brush it aside and call it just jealousy. There's a serious debate ongoing in Europe whether the US will be able to provide leadership or not. Many people here in Europe feel like that America is becoming more and more destabilized and even "less European".
 

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I wouldn't brush it aside and call it just jealousy. There's a serious debate ongoing in Europe whether the US will be able to provide leadership or not. Many people here in Europe feel like that America is becoming more and more destabilized and even "less European".

European idea of US "leadership" is to provide the defense umbrella for them so that they can afford all their social programs while poo-pooing USA in general. They don't like the idea of being forced to pay for their own defense, that is all.
 

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The US is now directly economically tied to Canada and Mexico, apart from that the world economy doesn't matter to the US, but the US economy matters much less to the world than any time since WW2. This change has happened during Covid and the US/world economy it having to adjust to it. It was always going to happen, covid to sped it up and crystalized it much stronger way. The US problem isn't its economy, but its political leadership and demographics.

As for the US middle class, it doesn't matter, the middle class never mattered economically, what matters economically are the working classes and the economic elite. The middle class doesn't have the power, the wealth or the numbers. China doesn't have a middle class, and yet it has a strong leadership class and huge working class. Britain has a large middle class, has a terrible leadership class and barely functional working class. The middle class are the more overrated class, they don't matter, never have. The fact they make up most of the political/middle management, intellectuals, reports, judges is a problem.
 
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To be fair, even pro-American and pro-NATO newspapers, commentators, journalists, politicians and scientists in Europe are painting a dire picture of the US in general. I am no American, I don't know the country and the US society from personal experience but people here in Europe, the UK, Turkey, Australia even in far east countries like Japan and other societies really have this feeling, intuition or even suspicion that something is wrong/off with the US of A - and it doesn't get better. Biden's election hasn't changed anything. It kind of feels like we all are waiting for a big "boom" - whatever this might be.

The situation is hard to describe.

To be fair, one must live somewhere and experienced somewhere deeply to know it well enough to pronounce credible judgements.

You need to break bread with them, live with them, love them and hate them (and all in between)....and listen to them and fight with them...and make peace with them....in enough time that this all involves....with all combinations and groups of them that you can....to know what makes the american heart tick in the end.

For all its faults (and there are many), the US relative to its diversity has created and evolved a system of checks and balances for its patricians and plebs that has worked out amply well over its history as a state.

It has avoided the horror scape Europe inflicted on itself (most unnecessarily) in the 20th century industrialised era (which was supposed to have long dawned the best of the enlightened era consistently)...at costs still not grappled with sufficiently.

That realised political extremism was and is simply not allowed to snowball here as the system is set up to prevent totalitarianism altogether....and the after effects of the memory and consequences and guilt of such that lingers much longer than the brutality witnessed in less than 1 decade.

Without looking at this larger context....inevitably we often have (outside US and also within gated-complex US elitsists) correlation of the patrician class and their closest proxies/lackeys (especially their faults and discourse) in some 1:1 way with other systems in some 1:1 specific current selective scenario....without realising what the scope and role of the patricians are in the US to begin with (quite different to any other part of the world)...and the deep questions as to why that is the way it is.

It is really the larger bulk of the US that sets it on its way and will determine its destiny....and needs deeper understanding on to analyse credibly (IMO)....but the catch is it is just hard to get that without being here appreciably.

Canada is probably the only country in the world that is a 50/50 (or similar ratio) synthesis of the European system and American system when viewed in bulk.

I for one much prefer the latter when I come across it here in Canada...and I am reminded further of it when I sojourn in the US.

The US you see is the 2nd most diverse country in the world of scale (after India)....and in some respects is even more diverse than India.

Yet it has organised and accounted for itself as it has...as a nation state of magnitude and consequence that need not be explained.

That is saying something.

I will get to larger processes and timeframe stuff a bit later....it might help air out what I think is going on with the human species at large....and why we seek easy answers for complicated realities....at this scale (politics, economics etc) but also maybe every matter in general largely.

More like jealousy rather than anything substantive. :D

German POW camp (impromptu 4th of july celebration with some yank moonshine):

RAF Group Captain Ramsey: How are you managing without us .....getting on alright are you?

USAAF Captain Hilts: Oh, we seem to be getting on alright sure.....sir.



I wouldn't say its always jealousy (it can be)....just misunderstanding from not being here :)

Circumstances bringing people together does help sometimes though....
 

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European idea of US "leadership" is to provide the defense umbrella for them so that they can afford all their social programs while poo-pooing USA in general. They don't like the idea of being forced to pay for their own defense, that is all.
From the American perspective this is partly correct. The truth however is the US pays for European defence, as it doesn't want Britain/France/Germany build militaries to challenge the USA position in Europe. The 2% NATO number is a sealing not a floor for what the US wants NATO members to spend. And if the British for example started spending 6% of GDP on the defence and build a 250 ship navy, the Americans would have a fit and start doing everything they could to weaken Britain. If the Germans started build a 500,000 man army and 2,000 air craft airforce the Americans would start supporting the Polish and France against them. The Europeans especially Britain understand that the Americans want NATO member to be just strong enough to not have power, but weak enough that the Russians think they could defeat them without US support. In effect the US wants them to be militarily dependent on the Americans.

And the British could within a decade build a 250 ship navy, and a integrated air defence network and take Ireland back geo-politically. If Britain did that and removed the American military from Britain, how would the US react? Would be it kind and accept it, or would the US use all its power to destroy Britain like it has done with Russia and China? Keep in mind the UK is the USA's greatest enemy and the only geo-political entity to successfully invade the US. America is Britain's special enemy, not a special relationship. I say this with all due respect to the American Empire.
 
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And if the British for example started spending 6% of GDP on the defence and build a 250 ship navy, the Americans would have a fit and start doing everything they could to weaken Britain. If the Germans started build a 500,000 man army and 2,000 air craft airforce the Americans would start supporting the Polish and France against them.

100% hypothetical flight of fancy. Thus, the rest of your argument never gets off the ground.
 

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