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There has been no economy policy.
First he said "weak lira is good we passed to new economic model. Cheap labour force will increase export" ( For me it seemed Bangladesh model rather than The Chinese one)

Now Central Bank has started acting to stop USD. So if weak lira was good, why would you stop increasing?

As i said there is neither economy policy nor economic model. There are lies to hide economic crash and result of corruptions.

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I always knew you're a troll but you're on a new dimension now. It's still tasteless though.

I really don't understand why Erdogan is forcing his economic policy 1 year before the election ? It would be much more understandable if he impose it after he won , not before . why he is taking the risk of losing all votes before the election while he really can make things better for him ?

here in the US, on the election year and a bit before it Trump did retract most of his policy and statements in order to get more votes . it's not only trump but all world politicians in general do try to fix things before the election period .

what's going on inside erdogan mind ?

Because Erdogan knows that the dollar will crash soon, and with the dollar the euro, and China (Evergrande), every world economy.

The US national debt is almost 30 trillion dollars today, the FED has printed dollars and dollars like it was toiletpaper, and soon it will be real toiletpaper.

So all the people in Turkey who are crying that they can buy bread (a big lie because Turkey has a registration in the Guiness Book of Records as most bread consuming people in the world), will thank and praise this administration for the de-dollarisation of the economy.
 

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50% surge up for real estates properties in November, mostly foreigner probably. So that is indicator of atractivness and some benefits of week Lira, after couple of months situation should be normalized organically and new prameters would be set up for higher internal consuption and revenues.
 

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I'll give you points for creativity.



You don't seem to get how markets work...

Multiple suppliers means when input price drops, price-control cooperation is impossible (simply too many moving parts given their numbers and competition).

One will always undercut the other (selling lower to gain far more customers) till new equilibrium is reached in market price. Its known as price signalling (one form of it).

It is why competition (and well functioning market) requires numbers. Theoretically perfect market is when suppliers are infinite (or relatively infinite)....by sheer bulk of numbers .....the only info route of importance then is up and down (from source to middle to consumer).....rather than side to side (among the supply network to try collaborate say locally somewhere).

On other end, competition is degraded when there are only a few suppliers (for whatever reason)....and they can cooperate amongst each other better (cartel, that can lead to things like oligopoly, duopoly and monopoly depending on final supplier number).....and grow bargaining power over consumers immensely.

No, you didnt understand my statement.

I am not a professor in economics like you and it is not a necessary because i write here what the folks on the street say and feel.

They say that the price of everything what they buy is increasing. Today 1 litre bottle of Coca Cola is 6 TL, but tomorrow it is 7 TL. Same goes for eggs, milk (are those cows and chickens fed with dollarbills?), bread, gasoline, oliveoil etcetera. When they complain about this, the shop-, store- or marketguy says its not his fault but the governments, because the lira is losing its value against the dollar and euro.

But tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or next week or next month or next year, when the lira gains value or when the economy recovers, they said that the prices of these articles wont go down, they stay at their record prizes like now. And thats THEFT.

They increase the prices in crisis-time, and they DONT GO BACK to the old prices if the crisis is over.

The people say that this is happening always in Turkey. 2 months ago i buyed 5 litres of sunflower oil for 65 TL. If a store owner then asked 115 TL for it, he would get killed with a bullet in his hairy Turkish butt.

But now it really is 115 TL. Almost 100% increase.

And when Erdogan is gone and the economy recovers and the crisis ends, that 115 TL will not go back to 65 TL.

So again THEFT, and again the supplyers and sellers make maximum profit. Thats the reason i hope that all markets and stores get broke and perish.

I hope you understand it now. There is no need to play the professor here, because the issue is not complex or rocket science.
 

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Because Erdogan knows that the dollar will crash soon, and with the dollar the euro, and China (Evergrande), every world economy.

The US national debt is almost 30 trillion dollars today, the FED has printed dollars and dollars like it was toiletpaper, and soon it will be real toiletpaper.

So all the people in Turkey who are crying that they can buy bread (a big lie because Turkey has a registration in the Guiness Book of Records as most bread consuming people in the world), will thank and praise this administration for the de-dollarisation of the economy.
Dollar will not crash. The US economy should've crashed years ago with how madly we are printing money but our system was built to be resilient. People have been predicting doom for the dollar for almost 40 years now, ever since Reagan tripled the American debt, and it still has not happened.

Evergrande was deliberately crashed by the CCP, hence why they didn't bail it out. It has and will have roughly zero effect on the Chinese and thus the wider global economy. Evergrande was controlled by elements hostile to the CCP so they were basically cleaning house.

Even if what you were saying is true, all that Erdogan's "brilliant" economic strategy has led to is Turks and Turkish companies investing heavily in saving up their wealth in USD. So if the USD does crash, this strategy will have the opposite effect and everyone in Turkey will starve and freeze to death.

Nobody knows what is going on and the government is clearly not telling the truth. You can only guess because you don't know either and are desperately making up excuses like "the dollar will crash soon, that's why" whereas before it was "to raise exports and negate the trade deficit". What next? That Erdogan is planning some kind of magic ritual where if he can keep the lira at 15 Euro for exactly 8 months, 2 weeks and 1 day he will summon Tengri to Earth to bless all Turks with demigod powers?
 

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True, but he still gets ~30% of the votes in many polls. Never forget one thing with regards to Turkey's political landscape: the opposition is Erdoğan's main supporter. Their displayed incompetency, elitism and failed populism made Erdoğan gain votes throughout the years again and again.

This time the opposition has a real chance to drive him out of office. Having said that, the main opposition party, which is the Kemalist CHP, is famous for ruining everything shortly before closing the deal.

This is Turkey. You never know what's going to happen next. Even if he loses the next election, there's still a chance to form a right wing government by excluding CHP, albeit this is just speculation atm.
CHP is not a Kemalist Party. There is no Kemalist Party in TR at the moment.
 

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The minimum wage in Turkey fell to $194.

The cost of being an unskilled worker in Iraq ranges from $300 to $450. Ravenman will be happy lol
 

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His own brother is against lowering the interest rate:


This guy is the brother of the current minister of economy (Nureddin Nebati), who is a stooge of Erdoğan.
 

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Economist Şeref Oğuz stated that: 1 dollar fixed to 22 TL in the SWAP agreement with Qatar

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There is a Jewish prophecy that says that Israel will collapse in 2022, and this will be accompanied by a global economic collapse.

Does this seem like a reason for Erdogan's insistence on fighting interest despite the lack of explanation for his actions that destroy the economy, at least according to what appears to us as observers?
 

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They say that the price of everything what they buy is increasing. Today 1 litre bottle of Coca Cola is 6 TL, but tomorrow it is 7 TL. Same goes for eggs, milk (are those cows and chickens fed with dollarbills?), bread, gasoline, oliveoil etcetera. When they complain about this, the shop-, store- or marketguy says its not his fault but the governments, because the lira is losing its value against the dollar and euro.

But tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or next week or next month or next year, when the lira gains value or when the economy recovers, they said that the prices of these articles wont go down, they stay at their record prizes like now. And thats THEFT.

They increase the prices in crisis-time, and they DONT GO BACK to the old prices if the crisis is over.

The people say that this is happening always in Turkey. 2 months ago i buyed 5 litres of sunflower oil for 65 TL. If a store owner then asked 115 TL for it, he would get killed with a bullet in his hairy Turkish butt.

But now it really is 115 TL. Almost 100% increase.

And when Erdogan is gone and the economy recovers and the crisis ends, that 115 TL will not go back to 65 TL.

So again THEFT, and again the supplyers and sellers make maximum profit. Thats the reason i hope that all markets and stores get broke and perish.

I hope you understand it now. There is no need to play the professor here, because the issue is not complex or rocket science.

If someone claims some carpet to be magic flying one (defying gravity)...I will have to see it in operation first (repeatedly preferably) first right?

You say "if turkish lira were to gain tomorrow"....

Do you have a period of sustained serious gain in Turkish Lira at some point in last 10 years to study this effect (prices remaining high regardless of the imported input cost drop) you mention?

Surely you need to have evidence of it happening in past to project to future?

i.e Does the relevant period in question exist?

Especially one of a "115 to 65" TL/USD kind of gain (~ doubling of value) you set as the reference basis.

All graphs I see of Turkish Lira, its only every been one way (especially when factoring lead and lag time of prices i.e multiple months) in recent past....constantly losing value against USD (i.e import inputs all becoming expensive with time consistently).

and thus constant CPI pump in upwards direction...now being done even more drastically...

To see your effect's basis we would surely need to see at least a year of serious Turkish Lira gain against USD?....(and see price level hold or keep increasing to prove your effect during TL gain).

Problem is this gain period doesnt exist...unless you can point one to me.

"if turkish lira were to gain tomorrow" simply has not happened in the past from what I can see. You see different?

When Turkish suppliers and intermediaries have only seen input prices INCREASING (as measured by even AKP govt at whatever truth level)....how are they supposed to not transmit that to what they value-add to and sell?




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With the USD--->EUR--->doom scenario stuff you saying (within any forseeable timeframe), again its case of you just squishing things into some top down "its got to happen this way, trust me" narrative rather than bottom up understanding of the issues involved.

You can simply see for yourself if anything pans out. Thats simplest way, rather than explaining things like what macro leverage ratios are (or what each of those 3 words individually mean to begin with)....much less what % say US, Euro area (and all big flywheels of the world economy) are at regarding those.

I mean how soon are you expecting this catastrophe? By end of 2022? 2023? At least some reasonable window we can hold you up to here?
Or is it another of the "sky falls tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes" kind of thing?
 

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It is quite something to see extreme-govt supporters dumping on turkish people and legit (multiple competition) turkish businesses/markets.

Like they need to be controlled and/or abused and/or blamed (depending on what the conspiracy needs)....all in name of promoting and supporting some autocrat/authoritarian (or the concept of such) to the bitter end.

It is not my country, so I will not use harsh words (as repugnant I find it) as I have no neck and skin invested to do so....but I can see why some other Turkish members do so in response.

I would say same thing as them to anyone from my nation, that throws everything and everyone under the bus as needed simply to worship some autocrat-kleptocrat power edifice.

Understand who is on ground with you ...and who have built something legitimate by hard work......

.....and which types are far removed living in mansions with silver spoons up their behinds....that think you are little people to serve them and be set against each other should you mutter protest.
 

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It is quite something to see extreme-govt supporters dumping on turkish people and legit (multiple competition) turkish businesses/markets.

Like they need to be controlled and/or abused and/or blamed (depending on what the conspiracy needs)....all in name of promoting and supporting some autocrat/authoritarian (or the concept of such) to the bitter end.

It is not my country, so I will not use harsh words (as repugnant I find it) as I have no neck and skin invested to do so....but I can see why some other Turkish members do so in response.

I would say same thing as them to anyone from my nation, that throws everything and everyone under the bus as needed simply to worship some autocrat-kleptocrat power edifice.

Understand who is on ground with you ...and who have built something legitimate by hard work......

.....and which types are far removed living in mansions with silver spoons up their behinds....that think you are little people to serve them and be set against each other should you mutter protest.

The US dollar is gonna crash, crash and crash. Thats why they let Trump lose with fraudulent votes, and let the old senile Biden win. Biden does nothing.

Printing dollars and dollars, the national debt is almost 30 trillion now. They have more debt than they can pay. Even the interest of the deb is higher than they can pay.

So everyone is now buying bitcoins instead of dollars and the dollar will loose his reserve status.

Crash is coming. Every stupid Turkish traitor that turns his liras in dollars again will have nothing.
 

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US dollar is gonna


The US dollar is gonna crash, crash and crash. Thats why they let Trump lose with fraudulent votes, and let the old senile Biden win. Biden does nothing.

Printing dollars and dollars, the national debt is almost 30 trillion now. They have more debt than they can pay. Even the interest of the deb is higher than they can pay.

So everyone is now buying bitcoins instead of dollars and the dollar will loose his reserve status.

Crash is coming. Every stupid Turkish traitor that turns his liras in dollars again will have nothing.

It's a bit personal, but it's important to understanding you...

Why did you leave Netherlands and moved back to Turkey. Are you retired, are you getting your salary in Euro, or did you get deported ?
 

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You're saying we're exporting more machinery because they're cheaper than anywhere else and does the job ?

While I've shared my view on the discrepancy/mismanagement of the economy. I think it's good that Turkish machinery is being exported and starts gaining some kind of "market share". Granted assuming we're getting larger size of the cake.

I would just wish that our companies and workers got a better/reliable/stable economy and not this....
 
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If labour force were for free in Turkey, you wouldnt double amount of Turkish exports !! Think why? how many percent cost of labor in our export products?

İf we were Afganistan , we would create an cheap labour environment in order to abolish unemployment.

With new so called economic model what did Turkish labour force gain Except 200 USD Minumum wage?

Also what did Turkish economy gain?

Turkish economy is f..d
 
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