TR Economy & Updates

[Zafer]

No, you need the hammer coming down fast.

Germany is far ahead of the curve, so is the rest of Europe. Paralyzing budget wise while It's literally consumption.

I've changed my mind - make it 70

Türkiye has 8% joblessness, we do have younger people we don't need old people to work. It should be up to them if they want to work or not. Active people with good health will work already. Like 95% of all job ads require people 45 years old or younger. It is probably different in Germany.

 

[boredaf]

The opposition prevented the Turk Telekom privatization and it costed Türkiye $15bn for selling late. Türkiye got backstabbed by the opposition and enemies of Türkiye were very happy. Small amounts coming from cars will not help with large investments. I won't respond to you anymore.

This didn't happen once. Every single time AKP was cash strapped they sold something belonging to government, all the way back to when they were first elected. Some times with less yearly payments than that asset was actually bringing. AKP could be used in a picture dictionary to describe short sighted because every single thing they did has been planned no further than the next election.

Our economy is fucking devastated and you are still talking about it as if everything is fine and this isn't just years of government mismanagement leaving them with nothing but taxes and privatisation to get revenue from.

 

[myNameJeff-17]

Türkiye has 8% joblessness, we do have younger people we don't need old people to work. It should be up to them if they want to work or not. Active people with good health will work already. Like 95% of all job ads require people 45 years old or younger. It is probably different in Germany.

Don't care. The point is not to make old people a burden for the state. Go make enough kids to feed you later

Anything else is not sustainable.

If you need money, start building TOKİ homes like crazy and sell them to the general populace (at a small profit), preferably 3+1 or 4+1 ones so people have enough living space to raise 2+ children

 

[Zafer]

Don't care. The point is not to make old people a burden for the state. Go make enough kids to feed you later

Anything else is not sustainable.

If you need money, start building TOKİ homes like crazy and sell them to the general populace (at a small profit), preferably 3+1 or 4+1 ones so people have enough living space to raise 2+ children

The social security system has like ₺35bn surplus this year, so it sustains itself. Unlike Germany Türkiye grows its own food so it is easier to feed a family in Türkiye. What I find as a big reason is a political divide between the population that causes people to choose a more solitary life, this will be healed over time, will maybe take 5-10 years before population growth picks up.

 

[Pokemonte13]

The social security system has like ₺35bn surplus this year, so it sustains itself. Unlike Germany Türkiye grows its own food so it is easier to feed a family in Türkiye. What I find as a big reason is a political divide between the population that causes people to choose a more solitary life, this will be healed over time, will maybe take 5-10 years before population growth picks up.

Population growth will not really go up its not just limited by economic factors most young people dont want children because of the life expectations and taking care of children is just time consuming

 

[Huelague]

we don't need old people to work.

Very wrong.

 

[Huelague]

Türkiye grows its own food so it is easier to feed a family in Türkiye.

Is it affordable for all?

 

[Zafer]

Very wrong.

Germany expats have grown an understanding that wants old people working, it is a Germany problem not a Türkiye problem.

 

[Zafer]

Is it affordable for all?

It is, because Türkiye grows food and it comes with different qualities. First quality, second quality even third quality. They come with different prices too. So you can find the food at different prices. The shop location, time of day of shopping plays a role too. If you go to the street market in the middle of the day you buy the produce at premium prices, if you go by the evening you find cheaper prices. Also sellers leave close to expiring products at the bazaar location and people can even get some for zero money. On time I saw crates of fish left over because they wouldn't last until the next bazaar. The cleaners will clean the left overs as garbage when the seller go away. Unlike in Germany where imported food only come in high quality.

 

[myNameJeff-17]

Germany expats have grown an understanding that wants old people working, it is a Germany problem not a Türkiye problem.

No, this is Almancis knowing Germany's problems and seeing Turkey going down the same path every western country has gone through

 

[Zafer]

No, this is Almancis knowing Germany's problems and seeing Turkey going down the same path every western country has gone through

We look at the entire world to draw lessons. Old people become useful helping the kids grow. My mother looked after her grandkids for their mother when their mother is at work so did my father. Looking after kids is a full time job, and grandparents help with that.

Europe went through the world war2 and we didn't so our population dynamics are different.

 

[Huelague]

No, this is Almancis knowing Germany's problems and seeing Turkey going down the same path every western country has gone through

Western youth is more careing on "work-life balance" and social media than hard working principles. Dont underestimate experience of olds.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey currently has a much better demographics pyramid with a relative large amount of young people and a small amount of old people (no hate against grandmas). The issue is that we are currently following europe's path with more older people and few young people but for now our social system isn't as big germany or so

 

[myNameJeff-17]

Western youth is more careing on "work-life balance" and social media than hard working principles. Dont underestimate experience of olds.

Working Western youth is being robbed at gunpoint by the pensioners lobby

Turkey currently has a much better demographics pyramid with a relative large amount of young people and a small amount of old people (no hate against grandmas). The issue is that we are currently following europe's path with more older people and few young people but for now our social system isn't as big germany or so

The current birth rates are shit

 

[Huelague]

Working Western youth is being robbed at gunpoint by the pensioners lobby

Explain it?

The current birth rates are shit

Current numbers?

 

[myNameJeff-17]

Explain it?

Current numbers?

1. Germany spends 500 billion € annually on retirees. Financed through contributions and taxes.

2. https://veriportali.tuik.gov.tr/tr/press/58018

 

[Tornadoss]

Turkey currently has a much better demographics pyramid with a relative large amount of young people and a small amount of old people (no hate against grandmas). The issue is that we are currently following europe's path with more older people and few young people but for now our social system isn't as big germany or so

We are wasting the young generation.

 

[Saithan]

Please remember that in old times when people were living in rural areas and struggling to survive, they got more children because it was one way of ensuring themselves when they got too old to work. Their families took care of them.

My take on it is that if you create an environment where people can live comfortably most will only end up with 1-2 children. because they don't want to jeapordize their leisurely lifestyle.

Bigger homes requires more energy spending considering sqm you need to heat up during winter and such. And in summer times you'll likewise need aircondition to cool down.

Smaller houses/apartments in that regard would be a better choice. How many of you have heard or seen a 62-77 sqm 2-3 room apartments ? (living room and bedrooms are countet as room).

Remote workplace, kindergartens, and cheaper groceries and such are important for stability. going communism and trying to make people breed like animals like what MHP wants isn't going to work.