Embarrassing no-shows at China’s summit are a sign Europe is charting a new course

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Another cry baby ... this is not one of your chinese communist forum to silence every news that doesn't suit your narrative
China's economy recovers very well and became the world's only major economy experienced positive growth in 2020 while yours crashes, don't know who really should cry.
 

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the strategy to contain China will need a multilateral approach. now that China is a bipartisan issues in both republicans and democrats, the US needs to reach out for partners abroad, first the most important is the EU. The US needs a solid and well coordinated China strategy with it's allies in Europe. the US needs to convince the Europeans if they don't stand up now, than one day they could ended up coerced like Australia. the battle for influence for Germany in particular should be won, as they are the natural leader of EU due to their economic clout.

next should be ASEAN, there's no where else that China's influence felt more strongly than in ASEAN, an scenario where ASEAN is pulled out from China's orbit will be a huge geopolitical victory for the US. and it could very well start with things like investment.

China just execute a premature approach of foreign relations, that in my opinion only serve them a title of becoming a world pariah, let's start with Covid-19, it's unsophisticated wolf warrior style diplomacy, clashes with India, trade wars with Australia etc.

China's aggressive foreign policy not only awaken the Americans (prematurely) on the scale of China military threat, also pushes for major arms proliferation in the Indo-Pacific region, from Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, Indonesia and most importantly the revitalization of the QUAD. For an aspiring world superpower it's hard to see how this superpower will expand beyond it's borders and near seas while being encircled by major militaries with varying loyalties to it's nemesis on almost all side.

The US still had the geopolitical advantage, but it will be decided in this decade if the US will hold to their comparative advantage. they should have not waste any time. China has many major errors in it's rushed approach to be equal to the states, if exploited well could well be used against them in the future.

the US should re-engage in world institutions, build trust in Europe as well as ASEAN and above all re-join TTP (or whatever it has incarnated to). China rise is not without it's headwinds, starting from this decade China will experience the largest population contraction in human history, some rough estimate has put that by the end of this century China population will be only half the current population. and it's going to be old population, which will hamper their attempt to overtake the US economy.



and this is where it gets quite scary, especially for countries surrounding China, like mine. historically wars and conflicts are lit by ascending powers that view itself running out of time, think about Germany before WW1 or Japan in before WW2. China might be on the ascent, but the fuel to that ascent had largely diminished by now, namely an aging population, increasing wage, diminishing competitiveness.

For countries in the receiving ends of China's bullying, they should learn to play the long games.
Contain China? better talk to the Wall street bankers..


 

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Contain China? better talk to the Wall street bankers..


we're talking about long term projection, good luck trying to overtake the US with plunging demographic and enemies on all sides.
 

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we're talking about long term projection, good luck trying to overtake the US with plunging demographic and enemies on all sides.
How long? 10 years or 100 years? China is still the most populous country in the world and easily reverse the curve by doing away with birth restriction policies. The west is always China's enemy cause China is hell bent to finish their centuries old global domination. Other countries are not China's enemies, China has very good relationship with most none western countries in the world.

Even for the western countries, China is the biggest trading partner of all of them, having them by the balls.
 

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How long? 10 years or 100 years? China is still the most populous country in the world and easily reverse the curve by doing away with birth restriction policies. The west is always China's enemy cause China is hell bent to finish their centuries old global domination. Other countries are not China's enemies, China has very good relationship with most none western countries in the world.

Even for the western countries, China is the biggest business partner of all of them, having them by the ball.
I just hope reversing the current demographic plunge is just as easy as declaring it.

anyway it's nice to know that you have a goal of ending western global domination, it's just that your govt have awoken them too early. how's the Huawei 5G ban in Europe?? don't you feel like there's an increase in European warships in your waters lately??
 

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I just hope reversing the current demographic plunge is just as easy as declaring it.

anyway it's nice to know that you have a goal of ending western global domination, it's just that your govt have awoken them too early. how's the Huawei 5G ban in Europe?? don't you feel like there's an increase in European warships in your waters lately??
Population size is never a concern for China, we have a traditon to have big families the the culture is family oriented, lifting the restriction and the population will shoot up soon.
Every country sails ships in SCS, and since Vietnam occupies most of the islands in SCS, why should China worry, Vietnam should worry first.

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Population size is never a concern for China, we have a traditon to have big families the the culture is family oriented, lifting the restriction and the population will shoot up soon.
Every country sails ships in SCS, and since Vietnam occupies most of the islands in SCS, why should China worry, Vietnam should worry first.
off course it's a concern, that's why your government had been lifting up birth restriction lately . you might want to read about fertility trap, once you've got yourself into it's almost impossible to reverse.

it doesn't matter who owns who in the SCS, the only country that comes to mind is China. the act of passing in waters claimed by the PRC without consulting the PRC must've annoyed Beijing so much, but Beijing understand that it can't do nothing but sit and watch.

 

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off course it's a concern, that's why your government had been lifting up birth restriction lately
Wrong information, doing away with one child policy doesn't man lifting up birth restriction all together. you still can't have more than two children, the restriction is still on.
 

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it doesn't matter who owns who in the SCS, the only country that comes to mind is China.
No one can stop what you think, but reality is reality, China doesn't have many islands there, so why should we worry. Let Vietnam worry first.
 

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it doesn't matter who owns who in the SCS, the only country that comes to mind is China. the act of passing in waters claimed by the PRC without consulting the PRC must've annoyed Beijing so much, but Beijing understand that it can't do nothing but sit and watch.

Viet nam also didn't ask for China's permission for occupying most islands in SCS. Every country has their claims, but not all claims are reality on the ground.
 

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No one can stop what you think, but reality is reality, China doesn't have many islands there, so why should we worry. Let Vietnam worry first.
Viet nam also didn't ask for China's permission for occupying most islands in SCS. Every country has their claims, but not all claims are reality on the ground.
Ok, but you do realize that the current US+allies buildup in the Pacific is not geared towards Vietnam right??
 

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Ok, but you do realize that the current US+allies buildup in the Pacific is not geared towards Vietnam right??
The west is always the enemy, no surprise here at all, but they are declining fast and EU just pays lip service to US. No Eurpean navy dares to challenge China alone without US, and China is now the world biggest shipbuilder outbuilding everyone including US, so US itself is highly unlikely to directly confront Chinese navy, it'll be more so in the future.
 

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Biden: There will be 'extreme competition' with China under my administration,but will not be drawn into direct conflict with one another
 

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Chinas growth is thanks to gullibleness of western nations who thought capitalism and free market would win in China. They failed to learn the lesson from Tienanmen Square and crush it in the 90’s.

Even Bill Clinton made fun of how China couldn’t curb free internet.

Western nations and their investments have contributed to the growth that China alone wouldn’t be able to achieve alone.

Capitalism is a bitch when moral values are for sale.

To deal with China today you need uninanimous cooperation of western world before South America, Africa reaches a growth level that makes it harder for the west to make the right investments.

China is better at sucking the marrow out of Africa today than western world. And etc etc

Only option left is to make your production firms move elsewhere and gain market domination to low prices before China takes it all away for the meagre earnings of 2% gain on invested amount. Capitalists would never venture into such markets. But CCP would just to rule and gain monopoly. Thus at the end of the day old fashion capitalists can sit on their money while someone else owns everything else.

I should probably add that it’s natural for CCP ppl to say think of your own country first, which is true. But there is a roman saying the brits have practiced throughout time, divide and conquor.


Wow man, you are giving the hard potent steel lately, good job.
I have mentioned very similar here recently:


 

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