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Facts according to who? Yourself? Lets agree that morocco run for ceasfire and azerbaijan to even if they both won the wars.😂

Not according to myself but according to you and everyone, nobody denies the fact that morocco asked for a cease fire and the mediation of the Saudis.

You keep bringing Azerbaijan every time you talk about your war against the western sahara, what's the point? If anything you are the Armenia if this story, you took Western Sahara just like Armenia took Nagorno-Karabach, by force and bullshit historical unfounded claims.
 

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Not according to myself but according to you and everyone, nobody denies the fact that morocco asked for a cease fire and the mediation of the Saudis.

You keep bringing Azerbaijan every time you talk about your war against the western sahara, what's the point? If anything you are the Armenia if this story, you took Western Sahara just like Armenia took Nagorno-Karabach, by force and bullshit historical unfounded claims.
War against polisario, not «western sahara». Almost 50% live in the city of layounee. Algeria just mad that they didnt get that part of land. Algeria claim that they care so much about the sahrawis while the biggest camp in thw world is in tindouf. They live in awfull unhuman conditions, and they have for over 50 years. cant gas rich algeria help them? I mention azerbaijan because they made a ceasfire similar to morocco, and both of them got their land. Sahara have always been part of moroccan history, and is well documented. Keep your communist propaganda for yourself, or provide source
 

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Can you provide source that mig 25 flew over moroccan airpace in the 1980s? However morocco are very secret about their acqusation in some cases. Its reported officialy that morocco have 4 heron, 4 ead harfangs and 13 tb2. Late 2020 morocco wanted also to acquire 4 mq9 predators. A polisario leader got killed in late 2020 by a drone strike that suprised the media, because morocco is not reported to have armed drones, only surveilance drone.

Ask The CIA

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Ask The CIA

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Thank you for your evidence. Im reading articles now about incidents that happend in the 1980s. The balance have changed alot between morocco and algeria now. The algerian airforce seems to have been more better at that time, however the cards are changed now. I hope algeria can buy more turkish weapons it would be better for them.
 

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War against polisario, not «western sahara». Almost 50% live in the city of layounee. Algeria just mad that they didnt get that part of land. Algeria claim that they care so much about the sahrawis while the biggest camp in thw world is in tindouf. They live in awfull unhuman conditions, and they have for over 50 years. cant gas rich algeria help them? I mention azerbaijan because they made a ceasfire similar to morocco, and both of them got their land. Sahara have always been part of moroccan history, and is well documented. Keep your communist propaganda for yourself, or provide source


The Western Sahara is officially recognized by the UN, the African Union and 84 countries, are they all comies as well ?

Moroccan history ? WTF are you talking about, before the french general Mareshal Hubert Lyautey (you know, the dude you have a statue of him in Casa) the Kingdom of FES has never passed Oued Draa in the south.

Also, if you state that a country has the right to claim a land because at some point in history it ruled it than all western Europe, anatolia, the levant, and north africa should be given to Italy.

It's absolute non-sense.
 

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The Western Sahara is officially recognized by the UN, the African Union and 84 countries, are they all comies as well ?

Moroccan history ? WTF are you talking about, before the french general Mareshal Hubert Lyautey (you know, the dude you have a statue of him in Casa) the Kingdom of FES has never passed Oued Draa in the south.

Also, if you state that a country has the right to claim a land because at some point in history it ruled it than all western Europe, anatolia, the levant, and north africa should be given to Italy.

It's absolute non-sense.
First of all i want to correct you regarding the 84 countried that recognize the so called western sahara. This was in it peak, but its reported that during the last years that 40 countries have either withrawed the recognition or frozen it. Italy was never the inhabitants of either north africa or levant
 

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Can you provide source that mig 25 flew over moroccan airpace in the 1980s? However morocco are very secret about their acqusation in some cases. Its reported officialy that morocco have 4 heron, 4 ead harfangs and 13 tb2. Late 2020 morocco wanted also to acquire 4 mq9 predators. A polisario leader got killed in late 2020 by a drone strike that suprised the media, because morocco is not reported to have armed drones, only surveilance drone.
you can check menadefense.net for the details.
morocco aquired many israeli drones and i would not bes surprised to find winglong drone from uae in morocco.
the effectivness of drones is to use them in big quantities to compensate for their weak payload and to exhaust enemy air defenses. Western sahara is big country and for morocco to surveil it it needs large quantities of drones in the sky, couple drones are not effective to stop an serious offensive against the berm. In yemen saudi arabia lost dozens of drones to houthi inprovised air defense, POLISARIO had SA6 in the 80s in could inflicte serious operational problems to morocco
 

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Thank you for your evidence. Im reading articles now about incidents that happend in the 1980s. The balance have changed alot between morocco and algeria now. The algerian airforce seems to have been more better at that time, however the cards are changed now. I hope algeria can buy more turkish weapons it would be better for them.
Are you serious???

Are you comparing Moroccan air force to the Algerian air forces, in the 80s may be the power factor was 2 to 1 in favor to Algeria but now it's an over kill in favor to Algeria who operates heavy fighters and bombers with variety of ammunition from cruise to anti radiation missiles,

Algerian air force kept developing its capabilities especially in last decades and introduced modern platforms, next when morocco start to receive F16 vipers Algeria will introduce SU57
 

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First of all i want to correct you regarding the 84 countried that recognize the so called western sahara. This was in it peak, but its reported that during the last years that 40 countries have either withrawed the recognition or frozen it. Italy was never the inhabitants of either north africa or levant
So which one is it, you have to have inhabited the land in the past or ruled it to claim it in present days?
 

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you can check menadefense.net for the details.
morocco aquired many israeli drones and i would not bes surprised to find winglong drone from uae in morocco.
the effectivness of drones is to use them in big quantities to compensate for their weak payload and to exhaust enemy air defenses. Western sahara is big country and for morocco to surveil it it needs large quantities of drones in the sky, couple drones are not effective to stop an serious offensive against the berm. In yemen saudi arabia lost dozens of drones to houthi inprovised air defense, POLISARIO had SA6 in the 80s in could inflicte serious operational problems to morocco
Can you send link of the article on mena defense? Yes its actually some satellite images that shows the wing long in morocco. True we need more drones but at the same time we dont know if theh have even more. They operate alot in secrecy. However the sand wall is already filled with so many mines, and offcoure its not meant that drones will do all the work themselfes. Its already 100 000 soldiers around the berm.
 

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Are you serious???

Are you comparing Moroccan air force to the Algerian air forces, in the 80s may be the power factor was 2 to 1 in favor to Algeria but now it's an over kill in favor to Algeria who operates heavy fighters and bombers with variety of ammunition from cruise to anti radiation missiles,

Algerian air force kept developing its capabilities especially in last decades and introduced modern platforms, next when morocco start to receive F16 vipers Algeria will introduce SU57
Not at all bro. The budget of algerian spending is 3 times more. Morocco has already started to recieve some vipers and all of the fleet will be completed by 2023-2024. The fleet will consist of 48 viper. The su57 is reported to get delievered in 2028.. still a long time left
 

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The Moroccan army is nothing but a large militia, weak in training and equipment for fear of a coup against the king, and in the case of any large-scale war, they will not be able to withstand for a month in front of the Algerian army
 

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Wondering where all this algerian trolls came from. Suddenly 10 new account got created today and yesterday. @CEZAYIRLI did you bring your cousins?😂😂😂😂😂
Correct your language. the Algerian newcomers are not trolls.
I have nothing to do with it. And I would love to see more Moroccans in this Forum as well. I'm all for a great North African powwow.
 
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I have nothing to do with it. And I would love to see more Moroccans in this Forum as well. I'm all for a great North African powwow.
Hahahaah its so strange that 10 accounts just got made in a space of 2 days. In sha Allah north africa will unite in the future 💪
 

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They made effort to reply to my old post that i forgot about😑
Hahah you wrote it 10 years ago😂 i remember it, i guess they didnt like how you talked about the polisario..
 

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Hahah you wrote it 10 years ago😂 i remember it, i guess they didnt like how you talked about the polisario..
The Polisario Freedom Movement are the legal representatives of the Sahrawi People, the native and legitimate owners of the Western Sahara Territory.

President Trump's Tweet regarding Morocco's sovereignty over the Western Sahara Republic is gone in smoke.

Have a look at what the new US Administration is saying about the Western Sahara today :

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I welcome the announcement of the new United Nations Personal Envoy for Western Sahara, Staffan de Mistura. The United States fully supports the
@UN -led political process in Western Sahara to promote a peaceful and prosperous future for the people of the region. 3:05 PM · Oct 6, 2021·

This shows a clear path for Western Sahara full National Independence from Moroccan occupation in the foreseeable future.

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Not at all bro. The budget of algerian spending is 3 times more. Morocco has already started to recieve some vipers and all of the fleet will be completed by 2023-2024. The fleet will consist of 48 viper. The su57 is reported to get delievered in 2028.. still a long time left

And By That time algeria will upgrade it's 72 Su-30 MKA To SU-30SM2 Aka * Su-35*
14 - Su-34
14 - Su-35
14 - Su-57

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It is my feeling and my opinion. Morocco is buying lots of weapons and with us and israel relations they will help morocco with diplomatic and military support.

To me it looks like Morocco is going to end the polisario question for eternity. What is and can Algeria do against that?
You stated: "To me it looks like Morocco is going to end the Polisario question for eternity."
My answer: Morocco is in no position to do such thing, neither politically nor militarily.

The Polisario Freedom Movement is the legal representative of the Sahrawi people.
The United Nation is currently organizing a Referendum for the Sahrawi people to vote for their National Independence and get rid of the Moroccan military occupation once and for all.

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I welcome the announcement of the new United Nations Personal Envoy for Western Sahara, Staffan de Mistura. The United States fully supports the @UN-led political process in Western Sahara to promote a peaceful and prosperous future for the people of the region.
3:05 PM · Oct 6, 2021

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