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[Radonsider]

Vivaldi is superior to dipole array.

Uhh we still didn't see antenna array of any of these (MURAD and SABR), but with information we have, it is clear that MURAD is better

 

[Yasar_TR]

a ramjet , so it will work between Mach 3 and Mach 6

Yes it will have a ramjet engine. But Ramjets don’t perform well over 4Mach. They are at their most efficient mode around 2.5-3.5 Mach. They could fly at 5 Mach. But would use too much fuel. After 5 Mach it is better to use scramjets.
As this missile is going to be used against targets at surface, the terminal speed should be around 2.5-3.5 Mach.

 

[Latebra Factum]

AN/APG-83 is not used by 5th gen fighters.

Also keep in mind that SABR only uses around 5kW of power while MURAD is specified at 30kW


Difference is present and easy to see, GaN modules and separate cooling makes wonders (+algorithms and computers)

APG-83 is derived from various 5th gen fighter jets

 

[Latebra Factum]

Yes it will have a ramjet engine. But Ramjets don’t perform well over 4Mach. They are at their most efficient mode around 2.5-3.5 Mach. They could fly at 5 Mach. But would use too much fuel. After 5 Mach it is better to use scramjets.
As this missile is going to be used against targets at surface, the terminal speed should be around 2.5-3.5 Mach.

nice , i think that speed might increase the lethality of the missile

 

[Latebra Factum]

Uhh we still didn't see antenna array of any of these (MURAD and SABR), but with information we have, it is clear that MURAD is better

any info on the range ?

 

[Radonsider]

any info on the range ?

MURAD? Nope

 

[fire starter]

No, receive NF dB, peak power and stuff related to these two are worse than the ones used in MURAD

How do u know the real values of both the radar such things are never made public. Now APG 85 has also arrived so it should be taken as a bench mark.

 

[Radonsider]

APG-83 is derived from various 5th gen fighter jets

Derived doesn't mean it is being used by them.


Also SABR has lots of limitations, mainly power usage and cooling

 

[Radonsider]

How do u know the real values of both the radar such things are never made public. Now APG 85 has also arrived so it should be taken as a bench mark.

Power usage for both can be found from statements, i have found the 83's power usage from a Greek document and MURAD from DefenceTurkey.



Also for other stats i have used statements again, tho i used older T/R modules from ASELSAN, it doesn't change much

 

[fire starter]

MURAD has 1000+ T/R modules and 30W per module, maybe we can see a bit more powerful modules for TF-X systems (maybe 40-50W?)

You don't need such power for airborne radar 10-13 w per module is enough and standard worldwide, deviation is not possible otherwise many countries would have attempted.

 

[Latebra Factum]

Derived doesn't mean it is being used by them.


Also SABR has lots of limitations, mainly power usage and cooling

it is stated by the company that it has 5th gen capabilities of the APG-81 and the APG-77 , which both of them serve on the F-22 and the F-35 , adding that it contains 95% of EW systems existing on the current fleet

 

[Radonsider]

You don't need such power for airborne radar 10-13 w per module is enough and standard worldwide, deviation is not possible otherwise many countries would have attempted.

it is not like they are not attempting or using, most of the airborne AESA's used today are products of early 2000s, technology was limited and GaAs has limitations

 

[Radonsider]

it is stated by the company that it has 5th gen capabilities of the APG-81 and the APG-77 , which both of them serve on the F-22 and the F-35 , adding that it contains 95% of EW systems existing on the current fleet

Umm yes, but F-35/F-22 can(and does) allocate more power for the radar, also better cooling.

Look up 83 Vs 80

 

[Fuzuli NL]

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Is this your work, bro?

 

[Latebra Factum]

Umm yes, but F-35/F-22 can(and does) allocate more power for the radar, also better cooling.

Look up 83 Vs 80

i know , the APG-83 is designed for older crafts that are being modernized like the F-16 , so not necessarly develop an entire new radar , just some reverse engineering on the existing ones and there you go , a 5th gen radar to be used on 4th gen aircraft

 

[Radonsider]

i know , the APG-83 is designed for older crafts that are being modernized like the F-16 , so not necessarly develop an entire new radar , just some reverse engineering on the existing ones and there you go , a 5th gen radar to be used on 4th gen aircraft

so you mean a radar based on 5th gen tech? Then yes.

And also yes i agree with your post

 

[TheInsider]

Maybe we can see the MURAD on the F-16 Block-30TM this year?
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I want to see the picture taken in this composition.

We will see it for sure.

 

[TheInsider]

no way , the APG-83 SABR is between 300-400 km in range , impossible for Turkey to accomplish a range beyond the american one , maybe better in other specs like the processing power or the transmission power , probably for propaganda purposes , the company itself said that it can compete with the APG -83 , not exceed it

This is not true. APG-83 SABR is not 300-400 km in range.

 

[Latebra Factum]

so you mean a radar based on 5th gen tech? Then yes.

And also yes i agree with your post

that's what i'm trying to say , it's only a mish-mash of existing 5th gen radars , which made it the best radar in the 4th gen category .
thank you for understanding

 

[Latebra Factum]

This is not true. APG-83 SABR is not 300-400 km in range.

then what's its range ???