TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[boredaf]

They're still begging to the Russians for the AL-41's

Are they? I haven't seen a single report about that, I'd love it if you could provide a source.

the engine tech they already have has 1/10th the endurance of the US equivalents. (example, 1000 hour engine life vs 10,000 hour life of the equivalent Western engine tech)

Again, they might not be as good as Western engines but it is still their engine. WS-15 reportedly has about the half service life as F119, yes still far behind, but they are improving. To say that they learn nothing from what they might see or wouldn't be able to replicate it anyway is simply wrong and arrogant.

They took one decrepit, half finished aircraft carrier from Ukraine, built it, then built another one with improvements and now they are building their own. They did same with most of their jets, and through espionage or not, they managed to built a 5th generation jet. We would be foolish to put anything crucial and critical close to their sphere of influence.

 

[Heartbang]

To say that they learn nothing from what they might see or wouldn't be able to replicate it anyway is simply wrong and arrogant.

Well, lucky for us the only thing they saw was a bombastic marketing pitch.

 

[Heartbang]

Are they? I haven't seen a single report about that, I'd love it if you could provide a source.

China is looking all over the world for help building and flying its fighter jets

China appears to be seeking out Western military pilots and aviation experts to give its air force a leg up.

www.businessinsider.com

"In addition to trying to develop an engine that meets the thrust-to-weight requirements of fifth-generation aircraft, Chinese aerospace engineers are struggling to achieve meaningful reliability," according to a report published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a US think tank, in March.

"Currently, Chinese jet engines can at best achieve one-fourth the life span of Western engines," the report says.

To manufacture engines, China still needs to import complex machine tools, including equipment made in Germany, Japan, Italy, and South Korea.

In addition, China also seeking to exploit Western know-how while its own scientists and engineers gain experience. This includes teaming up with foreign universities to access technical knowledge.
"China has actively pursued opportunities to gain this knowledge by copying the innovations of other firms, engaging in partnerships that involve technology transfer, and working with universities around the world to gain new insights," the CSIS report said.

Published a month ago. Here you go.

 

[Kaan Azman]

SADAK-2MK will be quite a booster with KGK-82/83. Don't ask why the GÖKTUĞs are orange they just rhyme with orange for some reason.

 

[Ryder]

As much people question Russian and Chinese military equipment many nations will still buy it.

Because American and European are not just expensive but come with strings attached.

Not to say Chinese and Russians dont attach strings but its much worse with American and European. Americans and Europeans can easily put a contract where it says you cant use it for this and that. Basically a Ferrari not being used but stuck in the garage.

Then comes sanctions and embargoes. Venezuela's F16s are rotting away and Iran is cannbalising its F14s just to keep F14s operational.

 

[LIbyan Soldier]

As much people question Russian and Chinese military equipment many nations will still buy it.

Because American and European are not just expensive but come with strings attached.

Not to say Chinese and Russians dont attach strings but its much worse with American and European. Americans and Europeans can easily put a contract where it says you cant use it for this and that. Basically a Ferrari not being used but stuck in the garage.

Then comes sanctions and embargoes. Venezuela's F16s are rotting away and Iran is cannbalising its F14s just to keep F14s operational.

I can't believe you comparing the Chinese equipments to the russian pieces of crap. China far surpassed Russia in the quality of weapons

 

[LIbyan Soldier]

Maybe i make mistake, in my brain J31,Fc31 and J35 are the same.

J-31 also known as fc-31

The j-35 i believe it's navy version of j-31 to work on aircraft carrier

 

[LIbyan Soldier]

As much people question Russian and Chinese military equipment many nations will still buy it.

Because American and European are not just expensive but come with strings attached.

Not to say Chinese and Russians dont attach strings but its much worse with American and European. Americans and Europeans can easily put a contract where it says you cant use it for this and that. Basically a Ferrari not being used but stuck in the garage.

Then comes sanctions and embargoes. Venezuela's F16s are rotting away and Iran is cannbalising its F14s just to keep F14s operational.

I can't believe you comparing the Chinese equipments to the russian pieces of crap. China far surpassed Russia in the quality of weapons

For me, China is equal to Turkey in the military industry, and it may also be better in matters of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, artillery and long-range launchers. And I think that Turkey got some technology from China like Bora missile and T-300 Kasırga

 

[Ryder]

I can't believe you comparing the Chinese equipments to the russian pieces of crap. China far surpassed Russia in the quality of weapons

Chinese havent proved themselves at all.

Right now its all questionable.

 

[Bürküt]

And I think that Turkey got some technology from China like Bora missile and T-300 Kasırga

The story of Türkiye's Himars equivalent TRLG122-230-300 series artillery rockets is the fruit of the cooperation with China in the end of the 90's.It must be called Toros project.Of course we seperated the paths then.

 

[Isbara]

The story of Türkiye's Himars equivalent TRLG122-230-300 series artillery rockets is the fruit of the cooperation with China in the end of the 90's.It must be called Toros project.Of course we seperated the paths then.

Toros has nothing to do with China. It was a complete Sage project from scratch. The goal was to produce capable rockets for our M230 Mlrs systems after facing an ambargo by US goverment during middle 90's.
Our cooperation with China begins with Kasırga missiles which is originally Chinese WS-1. And the project was called "Project K".

 

[Bürküt]

Our cooperation with China begins with Kasırga missiles which is originally Chinese WS-1. And the project was called "Project K".

For some reason, I remember the unguided Sakarya MLRS.

 

[neosinan]

For me, China is equal to Turkey in the military industry, and it may also be better in matters of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, artillery and long-range launchers. And I think that Turkey got some technology from China like Bora missile and T-300 Kasırga

You can't generalize whole MIC like that. PRC is well ahead of us in many categories especially in Long range Missile and related technologies. But They lack critical access to NATO know-how, this render all of their avionics well behind Turkey. Until France's idiotic move that allowed Safran's joint venture in China, They were well behind of Aviation Metallurgy as well. It is clear that They are getting much needed experience from Safran. but I don't think it is easy to comment on their engine efforts without seeing the fruits of both side.

Even If We dont like to admit it, Having access to fundamental research labs that have military applications helps us and Even though some Western countries limit our access to many military part and system, We have access many machinery and more importantly consultancy in these field which China is Totally unable to access. We literally have unlimited access to British aviation IP thanks to a law from their parliament. To sum up, There is no easy answer for a question like that. Both side has their strong and weak points. And Both side is trying to develop their own platforms with the know how they already have, they can access and the research they do.

 

[Sanchez]

And to add, do correct me if i'm wrong but Toros and Sakarya/Mızrak programs are also unrelated. Sakarya was Roketsan's own undertaking, in which I believed they used knowhow they got from the captured Iranian Type-63(T-107) clone which they got from an interned ship.

 

[TsumugiShirogane]

China won't sell cutting edge stealth aircraft to a current day Pakistan that imprisons even her own president by a simple order of the yankees. That is same as giving China's top-secrets to America.

On the other hand Türkiye wouldn't mind selling F-35 level stealth KAAN to all Muslim countries and we are even encouraging it actively.

So Türkiye and KAAN is the only realistic chance of any Muslim countries ever getting a stealth 5th gen fighter. Even if they somehow get something on paper "5-6th gen" I wouldn't trust it 1%. America spent several months to convert pseudo stealthy made for Turks fake looking "F-35" to actually stealthy F-35.

KAAN's stealth isn't on par with F-35. Considering the larger size and no diverterless inlets. Plus giving KAAN to Pakistan or some other third world countries means Greece will just slip a few euros to some Pakistani air force commander and the next day knows about its RCS angles, radars, avionics, and all the other classified specs. So, when ALL the third world countries have "stealth" fighters, NOBODY has "stealth" fighters.

 

[Ryder]

Toros has nothing to do with China. It was a complete Sage project from scratch. The goal was to produce capable rockets for our M230 Mlrs systems after facing an ambargo by US goverment during middle 90's.
Our cooperation with China begins with Kasırga missiles which is originally Chinese WS-1. And the project was called "Project K".

Turkiye even faced embargoes in the 90s by the USA.

Damn!! People here are dreaming if Turkiye is going to get F35s.

 

[Spitfire9]

J35 is the downgraded jet just like JT17 not the edge stealth aircraft j20

After around 2035 we will selling KAAN but 2030 too early even without any delay(hope no delay like Atlay and TF2000)

Before that Pakistan needs jet to replace their current fleet.

What about Pakistan doing a lease deal (like SAAB has with Czech Republic and Hungary for Gripen) for 10 years for a Chinese 5G aircraft? That would give time for Kaan's systems and new engine to be more fully developed before Pakistan started receiving deliveries from a Pakistan assembly plant (let's say 2035 onwards). I presume that TAI would be interested in Pakistan joining the programme and assembling the aircraft.

 

[karakova]

KAAN's stealth isn't on par with F-35. Considering the larger size and no diverterless inlets

Thats F-22...

 

[Sanchez]

Chadians deployed a Hürkuş and two possibly armed Cessna Caravans to the desert. Caravans were received for ISR missions originally. Bet you can easily add Cirits tho.
Mama look, I'm a bush plane now! Afrikakorps vibes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1694339895232270731

 

[AWP]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696907121990767064