TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Pokemonte13]

Any idea how many we have

 

[mTT]

Any idea how many we have

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1548261429462962176

According to open sources, the Turkish Air Force inventory currently includes approximately 238 F-16C/D type fighter aircraft. The model distribution is as follows:

• 29 F-16 Block 50+
• 71 F-16 Block 50M
• 102 F-16 Block 40M
• 36 F-16 Block 30TM

 

[what]

Maybe stupid question, but is KAANs stealth coating considered for out ÖZGÜR F16s?

 

[boredaf]

Maybe stupid question, but is KAANs stealth coating considered for out ÖZGÜR F16s?

I don't believe it was mentioned before but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we consider it in the future. As far as I can remember, US was also considering RAM paint for their F-16s, as they are also upgrading theirs. These jets will serve 15-20 years more as the work horses, perhaps not facing peer level enemies but flying missions nonetheless. Giving them any advantage, however little it may be, is just common sense.

 

[uçuyorum]

I don't believe it was mentioned before but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we consider it in the future. As far as I can remember, US was also considering RAM paint for their F-16s, as they are also upgrading theirs. These jets will serve 15-20 years more as the work horses, perhaps not facing peer level enemies but flying missions nonetheless. Giving them any advantage, however little it may be, is just common sense.

There has to be electrical continuity for the advanced ram coatings, the f16 shape is probably not suitable for that. Plus it would probably be thicker than regular ram paint, and alter flight characteristics.

 

[boredaf]

There has to be electrical continuity for the advanced ram coatings, the f16 shape is probably not suitable for that. Plus it would probably be thicker than regular ram paint, and alter flight characteristics.

Tell that to the yanks mate, they've already done it and will do it to more planes in the future.

 

[uçuyorum]

Tell that to the yanks mate, they've already done it and will do it to more planes in the future.

F16 block 50 /70 have ram coating, but not the same kind of coating as F22 and F35

 

[Khagan1923]

Tell that to the yanks mate, they've already done it and will do it to more planes in the future.

I might remember wrong but I read an article years ago that mentioned that treated F-16s have I believe 5 times lower RCS.

Also Bulgarian F-16 Block 70s will be delivered with Have Glass paint but not sure if that was set in stone.

 

[mTT]

TUSAŞ Deputy General Manager Prof. Dr. Fahrettin Öztürk:

'We don't have an engine development project for Hürjet.'

The engine currently used by Hürjet is the GE F404 engine. Certain agreements have been made regarding this engine, and specific approvals are awaited, but TEI has the capability to produce it if production permission is obtained.

TEI can produce this engine like the F110. You might ask if TEI can develop such an engine? They can, but that's not on our agenda. Our current agenda is to develop the Kaan engine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914602832126214564

 

[Huelague]

Tell that to the yanks mate, they've already done it and will do it to more planes in the future.

Our RAM paint weights few tons.

 

[boredaf]

TUSAŞ Deputy General Manager Prof. Dr. Fahrettin Öztürk:

'We don't have an engine development project for Hürjet.'

The engine currently used by Hürjet is the GE F404 engine. Certain agreements have been made regarding this engine, and specific approvals are awaited, but TEI has the capability to produce it if production permission is obtained.

TEI can produce this engine like the F110. You might ask if TEI can develop such an engine? They can, but that's not on our agenda. Our current agenda is to develop the Kaan engine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914602832126214564

We have limited capital, both in financial and manpower terms, as well as in industrial and technological capacity. Why waste it on a project that is not crucial to us when we already have an engine project that is more important than any other? Hürjet is of secondary importance as it is just a trainer (no matter how much TAI wants to sell it as a combat aircraft as well), albeit a very advanced one, and we can get engines for a trainer far easier than we could for a proper fighter jet.

 

[uçuyorum]

We have limited capital, both in financial and manpower terms, as well as in industrial and technological capacity. Why waste it on a project that is not crucial to us when we already have an engine project that is more important than any other? Hürjet is of secondary importance as it is just a trainer (no matter how much TAI wants to sell it as a combat aircraft as well), albeit a very advanced one, and we can get engines for a trainer far easier than we could for a proper fighter jet.

Honestly worst case plan would be just make a deal with spain so they manufacture and sell jointly and we get a cut, win win, but slightly less profit vs if we did it. Im sure we can buy enough engines for our use.

 

[Sanchez]

Per official TAI gazzette, TAI will deliver 15 Hürkuş IIs to HvKK this year, with remaining 40 to be delivered by 2027.

Dergi - TUSAS

Dergi

www.tusas.com

Pretty tight schedule of about 15-20 aircraft per year, hope they also get some export contracts, would be a loss to lose that production pipeline.

 

[Saithan]

I find the numbers of Hürkus to be too low tbh.

 

[Saithan]

TBF it makes sense that they concentrate on KAAN's engine. Of course an indigenous engine for Hürjet would be great, but KAAN means to have air superiority, so we need that indigenous engine for KAAN as soon as possible.

we need some stuff from the US to be able to produce the engine as I recall.

TBH I think we should build the engines just to keep the knowhow alive and kicking, if we can produce the engine 100% ourselves, then we definitely should do so, even if we have to destroy it after the Q/C is done.

 

[mTT]

I find the numbers of Hürkus to be too low tbh.

USA = 68
Italy = 35
South Korea = 39


HvKK orders KAI KT-1 aircraft from South Korea 40 + (15 optional). HvKK has set 55 units for the base aircraft.

 

[Saithan]

USA = 68
Italy = 35
South Korea = 39


HvKK orders KAI KT-1 aircraft from South Korea 40 + (15 optional). HvKK has set 55 units for the base aircraft.

yes, but I am worried that we won't have any modern fighterjets and these will be what we'll have to rely on, so having excess numbers would be good.

Those 3 countries you mentioned have modern combat aircrafts and jets and not 29 F16 V last few delivered back in 2008 or so.

 

[boredaf]

yes, but I am worried that we won't have any modern fighterjets and these will be what we'll have to rely on, so having excess numbers would be good.

Those 3 countries you mentioned have modern combat aircrafts and jets and not 29 F16 V last few delivered back in 2008 or so.

These are just trainers mate, there is no word on whether air force (or possibly JÖH) will order recon/attack version or not. And only thing this could be "relied on" besides training is for bombing terrorists and nothing more.

 

[Sanchez]

yes, but I am worried that we won't have any modern fighterjets and these will be what we'll have to rely on, so having excess numbers would be good.

Those 3 countries you mentioned have modern combat aircrafts and jets and not 29 F16 V last few delivered back in 2008 or so.

Hürkuş can't take any role given to fighter aircraft already not filled by drones.

We have 39 KT-1s in service, Hürkuş is set to complement and probably replace some of those aircraft, as well as some duties of T-38, which will later be complemented with Hürjet. If anything, 55 number seems very high unless they plan on replacing most of KT-1s.

You can't have "excess" aircraft, you need pilots and ground crews to look after them, operate them.

 

[TheInsider]

Per official TAI gazzette, TAI will deliver 15 Hürkuş IIs to HvKK this year, with remaining 40 to be delivered by 2027.

Dergi - TUSAS

Dergi

www.tusas.com

Pretty tight schedule of about 15-20 aircraft per year, hope they also get some export contracts, would be a loss to lose that production pipeline.

I think Hürkuş production should be switched to TOMTAS factory after 2027.