TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Nutuk]

Did you guys know that 5.5% of Airbus belongs to Tusas?

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Yasin Kaygusus of Tusas

 

[CAN_TR]

Did you guys know that 5.5% of Airbus belongs to Tusas?

source
Yasin Kaygusus of Tusas

Airbus Defence

 

[Test7]

Hurkus-Mam-L

 

[Quasar]

Hurkus-Mam-L

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7 hard points and 1500 kg capacity with 4 hours endurance is the perfect choice for low risk anti teror operations I guess

 

[KKF 2.0]

Did you guys know that 5.5% of Airbus belongs to Tusas?

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Yasin Kaygusus of Tusas

Hard to believe, though.

 

[ATG]

AIRBUS MİLİTARY %5.56

 

[Combat-Master]

National Gun Pod being developed with CANIK developing increased fire rate M2 type Heavy Machine Gun

 

[Agha Sher]

AIRBUS MİLİTARY
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Is that Airbus' share of ownership of Turkish defence companies?

 

[Stuka]

The fifth F-16 Block-30 aircraft, whose structural improvement was completed, has been delivered to the Turkish Air Force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376537209050955777

 

[what]

Is that Airbus' share of ownership of Turkish defence companies?

No other way round, companies that TAI has shares in, i.e. TAI owns 5% of Airbus Defence.

 

[Cypro]

Is that Airbus' share of ownership of Turkish defence companies?

TUSAS is/was partner and shareholder of Airbus Military* because it was part of the consortium to build Airbus A400M, just like Eurofighter consortium, Airbus Military was established to build A400M, and just like JSF etc Tusas is also building parts as partner, it was a very good deal for Turkey.. Then Airbus Military expand, merged and turned into Airbus Defence. But 5% was the share in Airbus Military*, Airbus Defence and Space is way too big with many shareholders, don't mixed them up. Airbus Military is just small part of Airbus defence which has been absorbed and defunct.. Airbus Defence is also itself subsidiary of Airbus.. so Tusas has small small share in it as partner.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@Oublious
F-16E has a better radar than F-16V because it is specially cooled and purpose built instead of refitted, and the same applies for Turkish AESA refit probably unless they are changing cooling system completely. Simply the cooling for a platform built with a mechanical radar is not sufficient for the full capabilities of an AESA that needs liquid cooling.

Read this from Lockheed Martin spokesman


‘Elvis’ explained further, “It is not a Block 60. A 60 is only operated by one customer (U.A.E.) and there are specific structural differences between a 50, a 60 and a 70. It was specifically designed for that customer and specifically designed to accommodate a GE-132 engine. It was also designed to house a customer-unique electronic warfare and radar suite — liquid-cooled AESA radar.”

“If you look at the U.A.E. customer’s airplane, you’ll see that it’s got air scoots and pumps that aren’t present in normal F-16s. And the reason those are there is to accommodate the electronic warfare suite and the liquid cooling for the AESA radar,” he said.

 

[Combat-Master]

@Oublious
F-16E has a better radar than F-16V because it is specially cooled and purpose built instead of refitted, and the same applies for Turkish AESA refit probably unless they are changing cooling system completely. Simply the cooling for a platform built with a mechanical radar is not sufficient for the full capabilities of an AESA that needs liquid cooling.

Read this from Lockheed Martin spokesman


‘Elvis’ explained further, “It is not a Block 60. A 60 is only operated by one customer (U.A.E.) and there are specific structural differences between a 50, a 60 and a 70. It was specifically designed for that customer and specifically designed to accommodate a GE-132 engine. It was also designed to house a customer-unique electronic warfare and radar suite — liquid-cooled AESA radar.”

“If you look at the U.A.E. customer’s airplane, you’ll see that it’s got air scoots and pumps that aren’t present in normal F-16s. And the reason those are there is to accommodate the electronic warfare suite and the liquid cooling for the AESA radar,” he said.

This is not correct, AESA radars and it's sub-systems are far more compact...

SABR

AN-APG-68

Also, Aselsan's AESA radar will be using GAN based transistors - thus will be many more times compact then even SABR AESA radar

 

[Philip the Arab]

This is not correct, AESA radars and it's sub-systems are far more compact...

SABR
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Not about compact, I was under the impression they need more cooling to operate at their full capacity than platforms purpose built for mechanical radars can provide or risk overheating.


@RadarGudumluMuhimmat Could you explain further if I am correct?

 

[Combat-Master]

Not about compact, I was under the impression they need more cooling to operate at their full capacity than platforms purpose built for mechanical radars can provide or risk overheating.


@RadarGudumluMuhimmat Could you explain further if I am correct?

Cooling depends on the amount of juice they are going to pump through the transistors, there are air-cooled AESA radars on the market. Either way, more than enough room in F-16 radar bay for active cooling should it be necessary.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Not about compact, I was under the impression they need more cooling to operate at their full capacity than platforms purpose built for mechanical radars can provide or risk overheating.


@RadarGudumluMuhimmat Could you explain further if I am correct?

If you want to give Aesa modules higher range or higher resolution than variable wavelengths, of course, you will need to give higher power, but this will require more cooling due to the laws of thermodynamics. What you are saying is true, after all, I'm sure LM engineers know more than anyone else here. The question is, is it really worth financing R&D?

 

[Philip the Arab]

If you want to give Aesa modules higher range or higher resolution than variable wavelengths, of course, you will need to give higher power, but this will require more cooling due to the laws of thermodynamics. What you are saying is true, after all, I'm sure LM engineers know more than anyone else here. The question is, is it really worth financing R&D?

I guess it depends, at the time the UAE had a very weak air force of just Mirage 2000s that would get steamrolled by anyone and I guess they wanted something that would allow them to outclass most of their regional air forces for the reasonable future not just an F-16C/D.

US had nothing out there that was a mid weight fighter with advanced capabilities for sale and the only option they had was to finance the F-16E unless they purchased F-15s which imo would be overkill for their small size.

The R&D was expensive I agree but the benefits outweigh the cons in my opinion, and in the long run it has allowed the UAE to form a very powerful air component.

 

[Huelague]

A capture from KFX ceremony, flags were projected onto the plane..
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Maybe the flags of official visitors where they come from.

 

[Huelague]

It shows their target market, even US flag is there as well since USA is seeking low cost fighter to complement their high cost F22 and F35

U.S. would never buy any fighter jets from abroad. Except GB.

 

[Indos]

U.S. would never buy any fighter jets from abroad. Except GB.

Yup, that is true, although it could be made in Lockheed Martin, just like T 50 Golden Eagle proposal for training aircraft for US Air Force tender. But I am agree on you, the chance is very small.