Navy First appearance of the 1st Egyptian Navy Bergamini-class frigate

[Oublious]

If we look to ther VLS i am afraid ther will be not much missiles for defence. Correct me if i am wrong, for a single anti ship missile you fire 2 missile against it. IF the 1 mis second one may hit it, so 16 aster will be able only shoot 8 anti ship missile.

If you read a real navy wars you will see they fire 30 missiles at least against targets. So will this 16 vls system enough i am asking myself?

 

[ANGMAR]

If we look to ther VLS i am afraid ther will be not much missiles for defence. Correct me if i am wrong, for a single anti ship missile you fire 2 missile against it. IF the 1 mis second one may hit it, so 16 aster will be able only shoot 8 anti ship missile.

If you read a real navy wars you will see they fire 30 missiles at least against targets. So will this 16 vls system enough i am asking myself?

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the standard version come with 16 A50 cells
and there is a modified version with 32 A50 but it takes from the crew chambers
and as long as this ship is taken from the italian navy so i think it comes with the standard numbers of cells

 

[adenl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336679917208162305

 

[Philip the Arab]

we still in the need of a new ASW helicopters and to upgrade the perry class and one more fremm aquitaine armed with the new 250km cruise missile besides the aster 15

I hope one day Egypt can develop a ship with at least 50% major Egyptian subsystems. Radar, SAM system, ECM can probably all be developed within the next 10 years. Probably the best bet would be cooperating with Russians and developing the Buyan M further with Egyptian subsystems if EU/US don't want to sell ship based cruise missiles to Egypt.

 

[ANGMAR]

I hope one day Egypt can develop a ship with at least 50% major Egyptian subsystems. Radar, SAM system, ECM can probably all be developed within the next 10 years. Probably the best bet would be cooperating with Russians to buy cruise missile if the EU/US don't want to sell ship based cruise missiles.

i think the best solution is making our own cruise missiles and requires to install them on any imported platform

 

[Philip the Arab]

i think the best solution is making our own cruise missiles and requires to install them on any imported platform

Yeah that is a good solution, it will need a big collection of Egyptian engineers and a big budget but most likely could be done in a 6 or 7 years. Most probably will need a lot of outside tech help from Eastern Europe, or the Chinese.

 

[ANGMAR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336679917208162305

i dont think sclar-h and vulcano are removed
and for the other systems are belong to the nato network and related to italian national security
as long as the frigate is coming with the kronos and aster 30 im satisfied

 

[ANGMAR]

Yeah that is a good solution, it will need a big collection of Egyptian engineers and a big budget but most likely could be done in a 6 or 7 years. Most probably will need a lot of outside tech help from Eastern Europe, or the Chinese.

hope so mate

 

[Philip the Arab]

i dont think sclar-h and vulcano are removed
and for the other systems are belong to the nato network and related to italian national security
as long as the frigate is coming with the kronos and aster 30 im satisfied

I think Egypt can probably develop EW systems and jammers. Problem is it would probably be inferior to Euro system, but its better than nothing I guess right. There is a lot we don't know going on, there are dozens of engineers working on radar systems currently in Egypt, we will have to wait until EDEX 2021 to get more information.

 

[ANGMAR]

I think Egypt can probably develop EW systems and jammers. Problem is it would probably be inferior to Euro system, but its better than nothing I guess right.

some said that the egyptian navy already ordered an alternative systems

 

[Philip the Arab]

some said that the egyptian navy already ordered an alternative systems

What do the older FREMMs have on them right now for electronic warfare?

 

[Anmdt]

Even the Italians give them downgraded versions aahhahaha, i remember when Egyptians wrote on PDF that Italians won't give them downgrade versions and thats the reason why they buyed from them .

If you ever find a country allowing export of full ECM/ESM modules, let me know. I personally haven't seen one yet.

 

[Oublious]

If you ever find a country allowing export of full ECM/ESM modules, let me know. I personally haven't seen one yet.

Depends who is buying, you have Nato partners and strategic partners and Egypt not one if.

 

[Oublious]

the standard version come with 16 A50 cells
and there is a modified version with 32 A50 but it takes from the crew chambers
and as long as this ship is taken from the italian navy so i think it comes with the standard numbers of cells

Ther is no such thing, you can not modify, if you are going to put extra 16 missile means you are putting another 16 vls. wher do you want to put it?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Depends who is buying, you have Nato partners and strategic partners and Egypt not one if.

Do you honestly think the US will sell Turkey systems that are not downgraded compared to their own? Turkey may be in NATO but it isn't on the level that can be trusted the same as UK/France can be with.

 

[Oublious]

Do you honestly think the US will sell Turkey systems that are not downgraded compared to their own? Turkey may be in NATO but it isn't on the level that can be trusted the same as UK/France can be with.

Nobody have talked about Turkey.

We can take Uk as example, Us did sell them Polaris/trident sub launched BM. Or look to Soute Korea...

As I wrote, depends who the buyer is.

 

[ANGMAR]

Ther is no such thing, you can not modify, if you are going to put extra 16 missile means you are putting another 16 vls. wher do you want to put it?

STANDARD

IMPROVED

 

[Oublious]

STANDARD

IMPROVED

Indeed but not for Egypt, your navy did send your ship to black sea and your ship spotted without the equipments.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336662455443918848

 

[500]

After a few ignorant replies let me explain to you what is happening in the EGYPTIAN NAVY in the upcoming few years ...

Mistrals are a good opportunity to acquire such ships with their assault capabilities.... specially in a region where militia and chaos is spreading so fast ....

then there is a new model of the Egyptian Navy
it is divided to northern fleet ( in the Mediterranean ) and southern fleet in the Red Sea .... each one has 1 mistral as a command and control ship ... ( knowing that Egyptian Mistrals has GPS and Glonass systems) and supported with secured communications through the Egyptian Military Communications Satellite ( TIBA-1 ) ....

let’s explain simply to the common IQ people .....

consider the following strike group

1 Mistral
2 TYPE-209 subs
2 Perry class Frigates
2 Gowind corvette with MICA ADS
1 Fremm Pergamini with Aster-15 /30 ADS
1 MEKO 200 with MICA NG VLS ADS .
1 MKIII Ambassador FAC

this will allow AD umbrella varies in range from 10 KM up to 120 KM going through 60 and 70 KMs .


The question for reasonable and rational thinking members for serious discussions.... is this strike group protected enough or what do think ...!?

From what I read Egyptian FREMM has A43 VLS, meaning only Aster 15 can be loaded.

 

[Philip the Arab]

From what I read Egyptian FREMM has A43 VLS, meaning only Aster 15 can be loaded.

Yes, you may be right. Maybe American ships with ESSM would have been better instead.