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It seems that we are talking from completely different perspectives. My friend, I agree with you that there is some truth in what you are saying, but this confident generalization, excuse me, may be absurd. I know that with continuous research, you will learn that there are different factors and contexts, such as mainstream media, political leanings, and regional interests. There are media outlets like CNN, NBC, and Fox, then there are news agencies like BBC and Reuters, then there are magazines like The Economist, Foreign Policy, and The National Interest, and then there are think tanks like Carnegie and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and so on. You will learn that even at the most balanced level, you will look for the author. You will easily understand their views and credentials, and you will learn the timing of the topic, whether it is during elections or a specific crisis. You will analyze the information, filter it, and decide what to accept and reject. For example, when they say that Turkey should be expelled from NATO for reasons of press freedom and increasing authoritarianism, that is one thing, and when you say it, they also say it is for adopting such-and-such policies in this or that region. Is it the same thing for us in this or that situation? You will learn that when they say that it was democratic, good, and open until 2007, then it became non-democratic, you will go and investigate what happened in 2007 that made them say that. And so on.

I would take all western media and put in the shitter. All of them without fail propagandise and push american regional agenda. None of them care about giving you any truth about Turkey unless that truth can serve their agenda.

Most of those think tanks are no better, most of them are connected to anglo-american global agenda. You can read about this in the "anglo-american establishment"

I woke up from the illusion of western media a long time ago, maybe one day you will too. But take it from someone who is Turkish, born, raised and educated in England that most of what the west tells or shows you about Turkey is pure bullshit.
 

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It seems that we are talking from completely different perspectives. My friend, I agree with you that there is some truth in what you are saying, but this confident generalization, excuse me, may be absurd. I know that with continuous research, you will learn that there are different factors and contexts, such as mainstream media, political leanings, and regional interests. There are media outlets like CNN, NBC, and Fox, then there are news agencies like BBC and Reuters, then there are magazines like The Economist, Foreign Policy, and The National Interest, and then there are think tanks like Carnegie and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and so on. You will learn that even at the most balanced level, you will look for the author. You will easily understand their views and credentials, and you will learn the timing of the topic, whether it is during elections or a specific crisis. You will analyze the information, filter it, and decide what to accept and reject. For example, when they say that Turkey should be expelled from NATO for reasons of press freedom and increasing authoritarianism, that is one thing, and when you say it, they also say it is for adopting such-and-such policies in this or that region. Is it the same thing for us in this or that situation? You will learn that when they say that it was democratic, good, and open until 2007, then it became non-democratic, you will go and investigate what happened in 2007 that made them say that. And so on.
What's your point dude, why are you yapping about my Country?
 

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I would take all western media and put in the shitter. All of them without fail propagandise and push american regional agenda. None of them care about giving you any truth about Turkey unless that truth can serve their agenda.

Most of those think tanks are no better, most of them are connected to anglo-american global agenda. You can read about this in the "anglo-american establishment"

I woke up from the illusion of western media a long time ago, maybe one day you will too.
What I say does not contradict what you are saying at all. Do you think they do it because they love you? Or because they want to be mean to you? Do they spend all that money and resources to benefit you?

On the contrary, unlike most of us, they make sure they have the right picture because they are built on systems and institutions. The more accurate picture they have, the better they can deal with you. Mainstream media and its propaganda is a tiny portion of what I’m talking about. The public consumption material is one thing, and the studies and research for their own institutions and policy makers is a completely different thing.
 

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What's your point dude, why are you yapping about my Country?
There is no specific point. I came across the replies and tried to engage respectfully as I can. There is no yapping at all in my reply. On the contrary, I love your country and its great history and its people, and that’s why I’m learning about it and decided to dedicate my postgraduate studies to it.
 

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Allies have no value in case of war if they are on the other end of the globe, unless they are called the United States or Tier 2 countries such as the UK.

The US and NATO are our security backbone. The sooner people realize this, the better.
You don't need allies.
You just need nukes.
That is the biggest deterrent ever.
 

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If Russia without nukes,most likely Nato will attack them during current Ukraine and Russia war.
Same thing with North Korea.
Thats the biggest reason why Iran is trying to get nukes.
 

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If you wanted to know about Turks or Turkiye and all you had were Western sources, you'd think we tried to exterminate every greek, Armenian, Arab, Syrian, European etc but hey the food is nice (but actually it's stolen from the Greeks) and Izmir has nice beaches for cheap holidays, but watch out for terror attacks.

Western presentation of Turks, Turkish culture and Turkish history is so laced with racist orientalism, so saturated with inherited prejudice and historic grievance, so smothered with projected weakness and daddy issues, that taking them as any sort of authority on who we are as a people is suicide.
 

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If you wanted to know about Turks or Turkiye and all you had were Western sources, you'd think we tried to exterminate every greek, Armenian, Arab, Syrian, European etc but hey the food is nice (but actually it's stolen from the Greeks) and Izmir has nice beaches for cheap holidays, but watch out for terror attacks.

Western presentation of Turks, Turkish culture and Turkish history is so laced with racist orientalism, so saturated with inherited prejudice and historic grievance, so smothered with projected weakness and daddy issues, that taking them as any sort of authority on who we are as a people is suicide.

Westerners think belly dancing comes from Turkiye when in reality it comes from Egypt.

Those orientalist paintings are all bullcrap. Most of those painting are done by artists who never went to the Ottoman empire.

None of them went to Turkiye and the Middle East.

The wars they have against Turks they basically painted them as either black or brown. Turks represented the forces of the dark.
 
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A simple yet very effective test for any source on Turkey is their ability to put forward any distinction between the interests of Erdoğan and the interests Turkish Republic as a whole.

Most of the time they imply all the issues with the Aegean region, EastMed, Cyprus, Syria, PKK, islamism, mass migration and even economy are caused by Erdoğan. Then they go on to say if he is gone Turks would be on board with their Sevres level bullshit. If you see that implication, you just close tab and disregard that opinion. Also if they call FETÖ a conspiracy theory, Gülen a cleric, or the coup attempt fake I immediately register that source as BS.

I find this to be a very accurate way to gauge a platform's validity when it comes to Turkey-related issues.

EDIT: A small note; You will be very, very disappointed with the performance of western media when you use this test.
 

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A simple yet very effective test for any source on Turkey is their ability to put forward any distinction between the interests of Erdoğan and the interests Turkish Republic as a whole.

Most of the time they imply all the issues with the Aegean region, EastMed, Cyprus, Syria, PKK, islamism, mass migration and even economy are caused by Erdoğan. Then they go on to say if he is gone Turks would be on board with their Sevres level bullshit. If you see that implication, you just close tab and disregard that opinion. Also if they call FETÖ a conspiracy theory, Gülen a cleric, or the coup attempt fake I immediately register that source as BS.

I find this to be a very accurate way to gauge a platform's validity when it comes to Turkey-related issues.

EDIT: A small note; You will be very, very disappointed with the performance of western media when you use this test.

Even then its clear why they do that and they know why they are doing that. They created the perception in the western world that erdogan is a nutty islamist. So buy attaching these critical geopolitical interests to his name, they completely delegitimise Turkeys concerns while at the same time legitimising all hostile intent against our nation. Its a bit like the zionists reducing 70 years of oppression and genocide into one event October 7th. Everything before that becomes irrelevant, while justifying the genocide they are committing now.

Also another illusion they create is the concept of a highly polarised society in totality. Yes in some things no doubts. There are those who hate political islamists and their nonsense, their are islamists who hate everything secular. However, when it comes to the wider geopolitical picture these groups are all on the same page. In many ways we maybe are the most united nation on earth when it comes to the wider geopolitical picture. No western media wants to tell its readers this, that by supporting the PKK nearly the entire nation will be united against it.

Next to one is going to tolerate any of the treaty of sevres games on Turkey. They support the PKK, nearly the entire nation is against it. You want to unilaterally push that the entire agean and east med belongs to greece, then its war. In these issues there is next to no polarization whatsoever.
 

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Everyone's of course free to share their opinions, but I cant take anyone serious that is taking sides with Russia. Now with the Ukraine war or even before.

Russia can go to hell, like the US. But if you are not anti-Russia, it doesnt mean you are pro-Russia.

Especially when the West is anti-Russia or anti-something, i just rest my case.

- During the Passion of the Christ the whole West turned against Mel Gibson.
- During the Wikileaks-periode the whole West turned against Julian Assange.
- During the Gezi-riots and the FETÖ-coup whole the West turned against Turkey.
- After 9/11 whole the West turned anti-Iraq and anti-Afghanistan
- During the Trump-era the West turned against North Korea
- During the covid-period the West turned against non-vaccinated people.
- During Turkish operations in Syria whole the West turned against Erdogan.
- During the last US elections the whole West turned against Trump.

I can continue the whole day long with examples.

Formula = If the Western media is bashing something, dont interfere and just run away.
 

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Turkey entered NATO 72 years ago, today: "The deterrence provided by collective defense in an unpredictable geography is undeniable."




Ministry of Defense celebrated the 72nd anniversary of Turkey's NATO membership

The Ministry of National Defense celebrated the 72nd anniversary of Turkey's accession to NATO. The Ministry's statement said, "Our country will continue to make significant contributions to NATO as a strong and reliable member of NATO."
 

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If you wanted to know about Turks or Turkiye and all you had were Western sources, you'd think we tried to exterminate every greek, Armenian, Arab, Syrian, European etc but hey the food is nice (but actually it's stolen from the Greeks) and Izmir has nice beaches for cheap holidays, but watch out for terror attacks.

Western presentation of Turks, Turkish culture and Turkish history is so laced with racist orientalism, so saturated with inherited prejudice and historic grievance, so smothered with projected weakness and daddy issues, that taking them as any sort of authority on who we are as a people is suicide.

its like the lyrics in that Disney cartoon.

"Where its flat and immense and the heat is intense, its barbaric! But Hey!, it's home!"


basically a song/cartoon portraying Arabs/Middle easterners as all savages sold as entertainment for the kids. The entire song plays on all orientalist tropes too.
 

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Russia can go to hell, like the US. But if you are not anti-Russia, it doesnt mean you are pro-Russia.

Especially when the West is anti-Russia or anti-something, i just rest my case.

- During the Passion of the Christ the whole West turned against Mel Gibson.
- During the Wikileaks-periode the whole West turned against Julian Assange.
- During the Gezi-riots and the FETÖ-coup whole the West turned against Turkey.
- After 9/11 whole the West turned anti-Iraq and anti-Afghanistan
- During the Trump-era the West turned against North Korea
- During the covid-period the West turned against non-vaccinated people.
- During Turkish operations in Syria whole the West turned against Erdogan.
- During the last US elections the whole West turned against Trump.

I can continue the whole day long with examples.

Formula = If the Western media is bashing something, dont interfere and just run away.

west isnt anti-Russia in totality, just look at syria or libya as examples of how the west and russia will work together against Turkey. In Libya, France and Russia are allied against Turkey. In Syria the Americans and Russians co-ordinate their moves against Turkey together. When it came to Azerbaijan despite Armenia being a Russian/Iranian military ally they sided with the Russian enemy.
 

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its like the lyrics in that Disney cartoon.

"Where its flat and immense and the heat is intense, its barbaric! But Hey!, it's home!"


basically a song/cartoon portraying Arabs/Middle easterners as all savages sold as entertainment for the kids. The entire song plays on all orientalist tropes too.

Ottoman Empire spans from the Balkans all the way into the Middle East.

You do have lots of ethnic groups, cultures, races and religions along with different families, tribes, clans in 1 empire.

Orientalists instead made the empire into one monolithic entity.

If 1 Turk traveled from Belgrade to Baghdad no doubt there would be huge differences.

Orientalists never travelled the Empire. Most never visited they drew up their imaginations in art. Even if orientalists did come to the Ottoman Empire they just visited Istanbul thats all.

Not to mention orientalists only took interest in the Middle East and Asia as a whole because of their nostalgic bs about how the Industrial revolution ruined their societies. How the Middle East was untouched.

While the Middle East was going through its own industrial revolution albeit slower.

To be honest we have to blame ourselves too because in the Modern World Turkiye and a lot of the Middle Eastern countries like Egypt use orientalist tropes for tourism promotions too.

Does not effect foreign policy but the fake stupid images are just damaging at the same time our country uses it too for tourism.

You wont hear a Turkic baglama song in Turkish tourism ads regarding music either its Arabic music or shitty Turkish pop music.
 

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its like the lyrics in that Disney cartoon.

"Where its flat and immense and the heat is intense, its barbaric! But Hey!, it's home!"


basically a song/cartoon portraying Arabs/Middle easterners as all savages sold as entertainment for the kids. The entire song plays on all orientalist tropes too.

Hahaha "Where they'll cut off your ear if they don't like your face"
 

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west isnt anti-Russia in totality, just look at syria or libya as examples of how the west and russia will work together against Turkey. In Libya, France and Russia are allied against Turkey. In Syria the Americans and Russians co-ordinate their moves against Turkey together. When it came to Azerbaijan despite Armenia being a Russian/Iranian military ally they sided with the Russian enemy.

They believe the Turkic world will be a threat to the current order.

All about elimnating competition.
 

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Egypt, which is experiencing a serious economic crisis, is preparing to lease the seaport of Alexandria to Turkey. Negotiations on this issue between the two countries are still at an early stage, reports Navabharat Times.

It is noted that the lease of Alexandria will open a new trade and logistics center between the two countries, and may also open a new door to Africa for both Turkey and Egypt.
 

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Turkey entered NATO 72 years ago, today: "The deterrence provided by collective defense in an unpredictable geography is undeniable."




Ministry of Defense celebrated the 72nd anniversary of Turkey's NATO membership

The Ministry of National Defense celebrated the 72nd anniversary of Turkey's accession to NATO. The Ministry's statement said, "Our country will continue to make significant contributions to NATO as a strong and reliable member of NATO."

Thanks. Take it from our diplomats and defense officials and not me, about how important NATO was and is to our countries' security.
 

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