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Norway, another "ally" of Türkiye, had offered asylum to the terrorists who are supposed to be extradited by Sweden.

I think then one needs to be make it clear for them that they will face the consequences of these actions and there would be a possibility that türkiye could even support russia in future endavours in scandinavia if they continue to behave like hostile enemies.
 

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Swedish extradition falls short of demands, justice minister says​


Türkiye’s justice minister on Thursday said that Sweden's pledge to extradite a Turkish convict fell far short of Stockholm's commitments under a deal reached during the Madrid NATO summit.
A deal Sweden and fellow NATO aspirant Finland signed with Türkiye in June commits them to "expeditiously and thoroughly" examine Ankara's requests for suspects linked to a 2016 coup attempt and PKK terrorists.
The Swedish government said earlier this month that it would extradite Okan Kale – a man convicted of credit card fraud who appeared on a list of people sought by Ankara published by Turkish media.
Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ told Milliyet news site that Sweden needed to do far more to win Türkiye’s trust.
"If they think that by extraditing ordinary criminals to Türkiye they will make us believe that they have fulfilled their promises, they are wrong," Bozdağ said in the first government response to the extradition decision.

"Nobody should test Türkiye," he warned.
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan himself has warned that he will not submit the two countries' applications for ratification in Parliament unless they comply with his extradition demands in full.
Erdoğan said in July that Sweden had made a "promise" to extradite "73 terrorists."
The Turkish Justice Ministry in June formally requested the extradition of 21 suspects from Sweden and 12 from Finland.
With Sweden and Finland agreeing to cooperate on Türkiye's fight against terrorism, the three countries are set to convene on Aug. 26 for the first meeting of the joint mechanism committed under the trilateral memorandum, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Thursday.
Among its many shattering consequences, President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted Sweden and Finland to abandon their long-held nonaligned status and apply to join NATO as protection against an increasingly aggressive and unpredictable Russia – which shares a long border with Finland. Under NATO treaties, an attack on any member would be considered an attack against all and trigger a military response by the entire alliance.
Türkiye agreed in June to lift its opposition to Sweden and Finland joining NATO, ending an impasse that had clouded a leaders’ summit opening in Madrid amid Europe’s worst security crisis in decades, triggered by the war in Ukraine.
In a trilateral deal with Sweden and Finland, Türkiye has demanded that the two countries extradite wanted individuals and lift arms restrictions imposed after Ankara’s 2019 military operation into northeast Syria.


 

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UNTERSTANDING TURKISH LONG TERM FOREIGN POLICY STRATEGY IN EAST ASIA AND SOME OTHER THOUGHTS.

The malesyian king's visit in turkey recently as well as the malesyian prime minister's visit with high level military and civilian delegation earlier this year, it can be interpreted as a primary steps for the beginning of a long term strategic relationship between two countries in term geopolitical and geoeconomic security cooperation based maximum mutual trust and benefits. Later, in coming decades it has the potential of leading to the further strategic cooperation in defence and military technology. And similer steps with Indonesia and Bangladesh now at its early stage. Hopefully, it will enhance in the near future.

However, there are two other big regional actors with whom turkish foreign policy is quite complicated and not so obvious for many, how should the future strategy look like with india and pakistan. Now, it is clear pakistan cannot offer any economic benefits in near future. While on the other hand it is possible to have relatively larger trade volume with india.

But at the same time turkish unconditional support for pakistan regime on every position may complicate the relation with india. So the best way for turkey is seems to be able follow a delicate balancing path between two countries and not get involved with every regional issues in support of pakistan ( except turkish position on kashmir and india's oppression of its muslim minority should be clear ) and have a good trade relationship with india while not compromising the strategic geopolitical and security relationship with pakistan ( I wrote about it in some details in TFX thread page 194 why it is important for turkey ).

And as the recent conflict between russia and ukraine shows turkey has the ability to do so ( following a balancing act. )

Now, BORCHADINHO! As i said in 'refugee problem thread page 34' I will reflect on your comment on my post here.

1. Bangladesh shouldn't be considered in the same category with india. ( the socio-cultural landscape is simply different ) My assessment is, seeking more stronger ties with india ( on a greater level then I suggested above here ) is 'probably a reactionary thinking' from being disgusted by Pakistanis. From a rational Point of view, this is simply not possible to have strategic cooperation with india on any level because of not only the cultural difference,but the tremendous civilizational different between turkey and india. However, a large trade volume is achievable like china and usa has. but they don't have any strategic cooperation becouse they are simply two different civilization. same is true with india and turkey.

But most importantly, I don't think turkey is in need to establish a strategic economic security relationship with india. Take For example, the two most fundemental economic securities are food and energy security. ( as ukraine war showed us how crucial to gain self reliance in both or at least diversify the sources in a strategic manner. ) Now in case of food security turkey is self reliant. In case of energy security india simply doesn't have any credible energy resources to offer. Ohter than that, in term of heavy industry, automobile, electronics and defence sector turkey simply doesn't want to depend on anybody for that matter and seek to be 100 percent self-reliant ( which, every developing nation should do )

2. You wrote, 'it is not turkish tax payers job to educate pakistanis!' I am afraid this is a short sighted comment ( don't take it personally. ) first and foremost, I didn't say that. What I said is 'the only realistic way to help that Country for other developed muslims countries is to take a 'long term combined strategy ( this is very important becouse one country like turkey can't do it along ) and stablish as many schools and colleges as possible in pakistan and try to make an educational revolution for the next generations to come!'

It seems you don't know the strategic significant of investing in other country's public insfrastructures and institutions! It is a win win business in a long run! This is not a one way aid! Why do you think china is investing hundreds of billions dollars in africa and building schools, hospitals and roads? Damm! Why do think turkey itself investing in african countries ?

3. You said 'turkey was founded in a desperate time'. Surely it was, and the same is true with bangladesh. However, It doesn't seem very logical to me, to hold on that old desperate mindset from a century ago ( I am not accusing you of that, however I sense it from some people ) as you said in your post rightfully and as I said earlier, turkish identity should be based on turkish culture and turkish way of life not on race or color of skin. (So, of course turkish (or for that metter any other) national identity should not be 'sold' for cheap purpose nor should it be given to people who don't appreciate the turkish culture and don't embrace the turkish way of life. )

4. You wrote 'our cultures ( Bangladeshi and turkish ) couldn't be more different'. I don't think this is a very accurate discritption! ( If you mean, our food and clothing then it is largely true ) I am surprised that, you don't know the history of the famous turkic-afghan conqueror Muhammad bakhteyar khalgi! He conquered the bengal in 13th century.

It was how the first islamic rule began in our region and our identity was formed. More or less He was kinda for us like what uthman was for turkic tribes ( legend says, he defeated the ruling king with only 16 companions ) and later The ruling class of muslim bengal the 'NAWAB' was also of turkic origin. Actually, I am myself of turkic origin! And There is a lot of turkish words in bengla too! The most funny one is, if you say 'turki youth' in bengla it literally means ' a brave man' like a compliment (doesn't mean an actual turkish young person).



here are few references below.







https://www.dailysabah.com/business...trengthen-aerospace-cooperation-with-new-deal









 
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@Afif just my 2cents, but some paragraphs and spacing would help with the readability of your posts.
 

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@Nilgiri , @Afif
I thought this was:

Turkish Foreign Policy & Geopolitics​

Why don’t you open a new thread, then carry all this to that thread and carry on there?
 

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@Nilgiri , @Afif
I thought this was:

Turkish Foreign Policy & Geopolitics​

Why don’t you open a new thread, then carry all this to that thread and carry on there?

My original intention was to move it since I clearly could see it derailing fast.

I gave some leeway for the member (Afif) being new to this forum etc as well.

I also left the convo chain up here for a while in case any member wanted to re-rail it back from a Turkish foreign policy angle or till a member (like you have now) complained its off topic and best suited elsewhere .

Anyway I moved it all here (including what Afif self-deleted, which he is free to un-delete if he desires to):


....and members can join or follow any further convo there. I myself am short on time so it will be something later for me to pick up if I am even interested.

None of it will be continued on this thread.

Members can proceed with strictly TR Foreign policy conversation here.
 

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My original intention was to move it since I clearly could see it derailing fast.

I gave some leeway for the member (Afif) being new to this forum etc as well.

I also left the convo chain up here for a while in case any member wanted to re-rail it back from a Turkish foreign policy angle or till a member (like you have now) complained its off topic and best suited elsewhere .

Anyway I moved it all here (including what Afif self-deleted, which he is free to un-delete if he desires to):


....and members can join or follow any further convo there. I myself am short on time so it will be something later for me to pick up if I am even interested.

None of it will be continued on this thread.

Members can proceed with strictly TR Foreign policy conversation here.
Thanks @Nilgiri !
I have copied the original post here and deleted most controversial points and left all parts pertaining to the relevance of the thread for the Turkish members to read and comment on after taking @Afif ’s views.
 

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For non-Turks:
The Romanian MoD has requested permission from the Romanian Parliament to purchase 3 systems (18 units) Bayraktar TB2 armed unmanned aerial vehicle with an estimated cost of 300 million dollars excluding VAT. The price will include the initial logistics support package, training and training equipment.

That's another EU country! Some people here are gonna explode! :eek:
 

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Hahahaha!

NATO celebrated Turkey with Victory Day!

Greece complains, complains, complains, complains, complains.


They deleted that tweet,

FblNugKXwAM4tzx


now, replaced it with this one



really amusing, lets see.
 

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They deleted that tweet,

FblNugKXwAM4tzx


now, replaced it with this one



really amusing, lets see.

They did deleted because greece bitched and send complain offical document and NATO accepted bitching greece complain

 

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BKAB6BAgFEAI&usg=AOvVaw2Q77kg3o3JLxVvNPsG-dGY

if it is true no doubt turkish defence industry is going to benefit from this billion dollars contract immensely.
However, will it finally change the UAE's foreign policy for good? This is also a billion dollars question !

I am curious to know experienced turkish mambers opinions on that matter.
UAE will make cheap copies of it and try to squeeze Baykar out of the market. Or sell it to Russia and China and other Turkish opponents.

Astoundingly bad move.
 

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UAE will make cheap copies of it and try to squeeze Baykar out of the market. Or sell it to Russia and China and other Turkish opponents.

Astoundingly bad move.
Nothing will come out of such attempts, will only damage Emirates' interests.
 

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