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incase libyan war started again , the best scenario for turkey is to end it as fast as they can using intelligence personal in Benghazi + surgical strike using SOM missile on all Hafter militia leaders ( could reach to 50 missile hit ) and end it in just less than a day . the main reason why am saying this because the US will stand against turkey and France will stand with Russia as a fuc* you to US for that submarine deal .

the next war turky must show full force or else will lose eveything to the us , russia , france and el sisi
 

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What does Erdogan think the US will do in reaction to his statements for further co-operation with Russia?

I mean, does he expect the US to panic and potentially loosing Turkey as a partner ---> resulting in them giving in to the S400s,YPG,East Med, Northern Iraq.........

Further co-operation with RU would only mean more sanctions, and therefore slower progress not only in terms of the defence industry but perhaps great economic damage as well. The US does not need Turkey but Turkey needs the US.

The USA already has Israel to keep the regional status-quo and anyway, US foreign policy is clearly shifting to a focus on China - so a loyal Turkey provides marginal benefits to the USA.

Additionally, the US market is largely untapped, providing significant opportunities for realitively cheap Turkish exports to thrive. Turkey only exports about $10 bn worth of goods to the US (the largest economy in the world), whilst exports $5 bn to Russia - a far smaller economy with less export potential for Turkey.
 

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What does Erdogan think the US will do in reaction to his statements for further co-operation with Russia?

I mean, does he expect the US to panic and potentially loosing Turkey as a partner ---> resulting in them giving in to the S400s,YPG,East Med, Northern Iraq.........

Further co-operation with RU would only mean more sanctions, and therefore slower progress not only in terms of the defence industry but perhaps great economic damage as well. The US does not need Turkey but Turkey needs the US.
Not really
The US doesnt want to give Erdo engine technology. What they might give Erdo is a license to domestically produce some parts while the critical parts will be supplied by the US; which is a bad deal tbh.
Turkey needs a deal to domesticate engine technology.
US doesnt wanna give the tech
EU doesnt wanna give the tech
China doesnt wanna give the tech
Korea doesnt even have the tech and will depend on US engines
The only player left is Russia and if they will co-operate then Turkey should snatch that deal ASAP especially if they can make 3d thrust vector control engines which give the TFX superior maneuverability to its counterparts like F22 etc.....

Erdo wants to nationalise all sorts of critical tech and the US doesnt want Turkey to have such critical tech so that they can Turkey in check when needed
I wholeheartedly support such endeavour with Russia if the deal is fair to all parties

The USA already has Israel to keep the regional status-quo and anyway, US foreign policy is clearly shifting to a focus on China - so a loyal Turkey provides marginal benefits to the USA.
You see, here is the problem tbh
Turkey is rising way too quickly that in the next 10 to 15 years, it will surpass Israel by a margin; when that happens, the US will have to ask for Turkey's permission for any massive change in the global influence sphere especially in the Middle East; this is why US wants to keep Turkey in check
Additionally, the US market is largely untapped, providing significant opportunities for realitively cheap Turkish exports to thrive. Turkey only exports about $10 bn worth of goods to the US (the largest economy in the world), whilst exports $5 bn to Russia - a far smaller economy with less export potential for Turkey.
How many times have many administrations said these words? Thousands if not millions! Let me be clear, the US will not give a FTA to Turkey ever tbh. The moment they do that, USA companies will go bankrupt. Turkey produces high quality goods for a cheaper price; thus, which product do you think the ppl will chose? Turkey obviously

A proof for my hypothesis is when Trump started taxing Turkish steel citing "that it is crippling US steel companies" which means that Turkey produces similar high quality steel if not better for half the price!!
Just imagine what will happen to US companies when an FTA is signed and the lira is this low. Moreover, rn the trade between Turkey and US is in surplus in favour of Turkey and the US administration said several times that they dont like that
 

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What does Erdogan think the US will do in reaction to his statements for further co-operation with Russia?

I mean, does he expect the US to panic and potentially loosing Turkey as a partner ---> resulting in them giving in to the S400s,YPG,East Med, Northern Iraq.........

Further co-operation with RU would only mean more sanctions, and therefore slower progress not only in terms of the defence industry but perhaps great economic damage as well. The US does not need Turkey but Turkey needs the US.

The USA already has Israel to keep the regional status-quo and anyway, US foreign policy is clearly shifting to a focus on China - so a loyal Turkey provides marginal benefits to the USA.

Additionally, the US market is largely untapped, providing significant opportunities for realitively cheap Turkish exports to thrive. Turkey only exports about $10 bn worth of goods to the US (the largest economy in the world), whilst exports $5 bn to Russia - a far smaller economy with less export potential for Turkey.

Doesnt matter what he thinks or the americans think, as long as the pentagon and the state dept continue to support the PKK, the relations are bound to be on a downward spiral and it seems its reached a point where the relations are permanently damaged now.
 

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What does Erdogan think the US will do in reaction to his statements for further co-operation with Russia?

I mean, does he expect the US to panic and potentially loosing Turkey as a partner ---> resulting in them giving in to the S400s,YPG,East Med, Northern Iraq.........

Further co-operation with RU would only mean more sanctions, and therefore slower progress not only in terms of the defence industry but perhaps great economic damage as well. The US does not need Turkey but Turkey needs the US.

The USA already has Israel to keep the regional status-quo and anyway, US foreign policy is clearly shifting to a focus on China - so a loyal Turkey provides marginal benefits to the USA.

Additionally, the US market is largely untapped, providing significant opportunities for realitively cheap Turkish exports to thrive. Turkey only exports about $10 bn worth of goods to the US (the largest economy in the world), whilst exports $5 bn to Russia - a far smaller economy with less export potential for Turkey.
I would agreed with you If we where 1990 and back then IF Turkiye made a decession to co-operation with Russia.

Most of above Arguments are already done it is not present or future.
Even more usa already decide and APPLIED the response. The only thing now for usa is when to apply more embargos or other means against Turkiye.

I will try to explain:
-What does Erdogan think the US will do in reaction to his statements for further co-operation with Russia?
Co-opration was already done-> usa decide to go against Turkiye and response from Turkiye was Co-opration with russia (Turkiye make Step by Step co-opration and it completly depend on usa actions on present days. It is not other way around )

-Further co-operation with RU would only mean more sanctions, and therefore slower progress not only in terms of the defence industry but perhaps great economic damage as well. The US does not need Turkey but Turkey needs the US.
Turkiye WAS need of usa back in 2011, but step by step usa MADE BIG U-TURN against Turkiye -> this action left Turkiye alone. At FIRST Turk officals and people do NOT believe it but years passed and usa SHOWED to Turkiye that THIS U-TURN REAL and it is systematic -> usa planned actions.
So Turkiye is Embargoed by usa -> Military, Political, Social (there WAS and still have paid NEWS against Turkiye) and Economy.

I give you example:
-Military-> Turkiye can NOT buy anything from usa or allies ( little expetion is that -> there were some contracts which are more or less related to few let say 1,2,3 numbers of parts which can be used as study,prototype..... or things like that, but thats all. Sharing of developments are STOPed)
-Political -> Any EVENT internal or external related to Turkiye decission taken is OPPOSED by usa. On NATO meetings usa does NOT to talk, discuss or even they go against Turkiye by creating issues "bitching"
- Social usa already triggred own paid madia to show or make news related to make Turkiye BAD and this is not driven by EVENT it is thing which is more or less FOCUSING on Turkiye and make explainations that Turkiye is doing WRONG and BAD etc.
-Economy- I will try to explain somthing about things happend and which MADE usa and some allies MAD.
Turkiye HAD GOLD and foreign valuts (Let say ASSETS which were located in usa mostly and some of them in uk,france and germany).
All those assets WERE RETURNED back to Turkiye- > the ISSUE is that usa, france, us USED this assets as they were not Turkish owned and now they gone back to owner. This system fall apart leading to many users to fall apart and go default. I am talking about roughly ~60 Bil worth dollers.

Other thing is that Turkiye CHANGED the WAY it is trading with others -> Mean that trading exchange is Completly new as sequence of how deals are forming.
This lead to lost of the control from usa, france,uk to control of Turkiye



-"US foreign policy is clearly shifting to a focus on China" -It is true, but Also usa made clear that foreign policy aroud Turkiye region is also clearly shifted.
usa showed that Turkiye is enemy for them and they have other country which they NOW side with in the region.


-"Additionally, the US market is largely untapped, providing significant opportunities for realitively cheap Turkish exports to thrive".
This is not relevat anymore. usa lost control of Turkiye assets and trade linkage. usa does not able to controled like before, so NO control then better to apply embargo on Turkish products......
 
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I wonder what RTE has promised Greece...
Nothing tbh
Greece is afraid. If things with Erdo failed and refugees stormed EU, Greece will be in the front line for dealing refugees. If such a scenario did happen, EU will betray Greece and landlock it in order to prevent further influx into core EU countries like Italy etc..; thus, the greatest protectors of Greece from Turkey will leave them which will leave Greece exposed to Muslim refugees and Mighty Turkey and the EEZ issues alone. This is the worst case scenario for Greece
 

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Yeh they'll be sacrificial if things went like that. Still remember how the entire EU media demonised Greece and Greeks as lazy, lying scroungers when their financial crisis hit. Was disgusting but not surprising to see them act like that.
 

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Nothing tbh
Greece is afraid. If things with Erdo failed and refugees stormed EU, Greece will be in the front line for dealing refugees. If such a scenario did happen, EU will betray Greece and landlock it in order to prevent further influx into core EU countries like Italy etc..; thus, the greatest protectors of Greece from Turkey will leave them which will leave Greece exposed to Muslim refugees and Mighty Turkey and the EEZ issues alone. This is the worst case scenario for Greece
We will push them to Albania! Don't worry
 

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The EU Custom Union has his limits because Turkish firms are growing and can produce better things than 10 years ago.

The update of the Custom Union must be a top priority for the government.

Turkey must lobby with befriend EU states (Hungary, Germany, Poland, Ireland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Spain) to make a fist against the opposition EU States (France, Netherlands, Austria, Greece, South Cyprus, Belgium) and push the negotiations.
 

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The EU Custom Union has his limits because Turkish firms are growing and can produce better things than 10 years ago.

for your information , this is the real reason why EU reject Turkey to join the EU . not because of islam or erdogan or turk laws or anti-gay turkey or etc ...

it's because of money , nothing more or less
 

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for your information , this is the real reason why EU reject Turkey to join the EU . not because of islam or erdogan or turk laws or anti-gay turkey or etc ...

it's because of money , nothing more or less

Its race and religion too you cant discount them.

You do realise France vetoed Macedonia joining the eu due to their Muslim population of Turks and Albanians.
 

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Until the EU accepts Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo into the EU I will shut my mouth and eat my words.
 

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