TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[GoatsMilk]

Oh hoh oh hoh , I repeat the turks are very sad and grief stricken due the boycott of kababs by the finns , large scale mourning was declared in Istanbul due to the boycott of the kababs in Finland
Nothing new gentleman, they were saying to boycott curry few weeks back when India didn't support them on Russia Ukraine issue
Read the below excrept and understand why the western Europeans behave the way they do

Its ok they can go back to eating boiled cabbage.

But the racist tones are so open, its not about erdogan refusing their membership which he has every right to do, its about demonising anything and everything Turkish.

That's why its better for the world the EU project fails, because the world is safer when Europeans compete with each other, you get them all on the same side and they will create absolute hell for the world.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Khazars and Volga Bulgaria also beaten back viking attacks.

Yep and it was the Cuman Turks who smashed the Kievan Rus.

Europeans themselves don't realise it but they were the first victims of this Nordic terror. The English got taken over in 1066 by them and ever since were ruled by them.

The Normans/Vikings absolutely brutalised the British Isles, mass slaughter and terror spanning hundreds of years until this country was firmly placed under their heel. "The harrowing of the north" is one such example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

The People of eastern europe were on mass turned into slaves by them, people speculate that we get slave from slav in reference to the massive levels of slavery the nordic vikings committed in eastern europe against the slavic people.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

Iran is more dangerous to Turkiey than Israel! I strongly disagree.
You're tell me that Iran is the one trying to destroy your economy and knocking down your democracy by military coups not mentioning the support of the kurds? Iran is doing all this right Not the Zionist lobby in Washington?

Actual issue stems from policy makers not being able to make balanced policies based realizing the fact that both Israel and Iran is our main regional competitors.

Iran opposed to Israel, creates far more threats in the field. Such as asymmetrical. Rocket attacks through their proxies. Including direct/indirect backing of PKK inside Iran, Iraq and Syria.

While the main issue with Israel is with U.S. as their middle east policy is centered on Israel.

YPG, Syrian wing of PKK, does/could be forced under Iranian influence as U.S. also lowers presence and unable to respond to Turkey. Especially Iran as Russia is dealing with Ukraine War. PKK in SInjar, Iraq is under Iranian proxy protection as example and it is a part of Iranian network all the way to Mediterranean Sea.

Increased PKK relations with Iran, could lower/end Israel backing of U.S. policy on northern Syria. Which is already not sustainable for US for the many stated reasons.

U.S. increasing presence in Syria means increasing presence in Iraq. To both, their public opinion is against. PKKistan is depended on logistical supply from Iraq and U.S. protection.

Turkey's good relations with Northern Iraq government plus the new energy politics. Need for alternative energy network from Russian gas for EU. Which Iran opposes to pipelines. Addition, only way of Israel exporting their gas to EU is through Cyprus than Turkey.

Basically, there is a lot more options currently against US-Israel + EU than Iran. Especially with the Ukraine conflict. Achievable with right diplomacy and military action. We are currently actively targeting high ranking PKK members in Syria and Iraq. Destabilizes and shifts opinion towards Iran, Russian protection.

Currently Iran is more dangerous with threats they could bring in the field. Including loitering munitions, UAVs and missiles. We currently lack anti ballistic and C-RAM systems to sustain such operations.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Aren't kurds causing trouble in Syria iraq and Turkey?
They are much like indias naga insurgency, nagas live in indian northeeast states .
Their were never affected by Hinduism proper , neither the Muslim armies could reach them but the British did reach them and christanised them .
They started a insurgency to get a seprate country with areas both in India and myanamr , ofcourse they were crushed.
Though

Going into world war one the British promised both the armenians and the kurds the same part of Turkey as a homeland for them, of course it was just a trick to get them to fight against their Turkish enemy. Once the Ottomans lost control of the middle east, the british and french annexed it all for themselves and the people they promised lands revolted, so the british/french slaughtered them. The Kurds were first gassed and slaughtered on direct orders from Winstron Churchill.

The wests aim of turning the marxist terrorist organisation into one about national struggle is the same trick they played before.

These same nations will not tell the europeans to return the americas to the natives, or austrila or new zealand, but they will spend every day pretending they care about the "kurdish cause".

Its simple white man divide and conquer tactics that they have used throughout history. All the nations that fell for it were completely ruined by it. The nations who fell for it worst technically don't even really exist today like the native indians, they have no power and no voice whatsoever.

If you look at most of these so called separatist movements occurring across the non-white world, you time and time again see the same external players instigating it all.

 

[Indian gir lion]

Going into world war one the British promised both the armenians and the kurds the same part of Turkey as a homeland for them, of course it was just a trick to get them to fight against their Turkish enemy. Once the Ottomans lost control of the middle east, the british and french annexed it all for themselves and the people they promised lands revolted, so the british/french slaughtered them. The Kurds were first gassed and slaughtered on direct orders from Winstron Churchill.

The wests aim of turning the marxist terrorist organisation into one about national struggle is the same trick they played before.

These same nations will not tell the europeans to return the americas to the natives, or austrila or new zealand, but they will spend every day pretending they care about the "kurdish cause".

Its simple white man divide and conquer tactics that they have used throughout history. All the nations that fell for it were completely ruined by it. The nations who fell for it worst technically don't even really exist today like the native indians, they have no power and no voice whatsoever.

If you look at most of these so called separatist movements occurring across the non-white world, you time and time again see the same external players instigating it all.

Yes American missionaries instigated nagas here. Bill kimber or some thing was that guys name

 

[GoatsMilk]

Yes American missionaries instigated nagas here. Bill kimber or some thing was that guys name

Christian missionaries are sent to south east Turkey also, they entirely focus on the Kurds/Minorities. Its about making the Kurds/Minorities who are not drawn towards marxism, to give up their Islamic faith and be drawn towards Christianity to further show the Muslim Turk as their enemy. Divide and Conquer tactics.

 

[Indian gir lion]

Christian missionaries are sent to south east Turkey also, they entirely focus on the Kurds/Minorities. Its about making the Kurds/Minorities who are not drawn towards marxism, to give up their Islamic faith and be drawn towards Christianity to further show the Muslim Turk as their enemy. Divide and Conquer tactics.

What we did was to send indian christans from southern india in these areas , they reduced influence of foreign missionaries.
Even naxal or maosit terror affected areas have seen reduction in violence after massive push for infra development and sending in indian christan missionaries there .
These german lutherians and American evengalsit are known to cause menace

 

[Ravenman]

They baptised Latin America completely by force so they could deplete all the resources and end all the insurgency. Local or pagan religions doesnt excist there anymore, let alone Islam or Hinduism.

Thats the reason why those South-and Middle American countries and islands are still under Western hemisphere and hegemony, or under the Western system (except for Cuba).

Everytime when a Turkey, a India, a Russia or a China tried to put a foot in the Latin door, that country get a Western menu of sanctions, coups, civil war or terrorism.

They accuse Turkey of political islam but they used political christianity from the start with the adaptation of it by the Romans.

 

[GoatsMilk]

What we did was to send indian christans from southern india in these areas , they reduced influence of foreign missionaries.
Even naxal or maosit terror affected areas have seen reduction in violence after massive push for infra development and sending in indian christan missionaries there .
These german lutherians and American evengalsit are known to cause menace

I have friends here in England who were working in Turkey as Christian missionaries for many years, until erdogan kicked them out. All of them were technically living in Ankara but would be sent out into different areas of the south east to spend several weeks at a time. I would ask them why all their work focussed on the south east of Turkey, they couldn't tell me.

These missionaries i suspect on an individual level genuinely believe they are doing good work, but they cannot see how they are being used for geopolitical ambitions against Turkey.

One of the tricks i heard from them was in promoting the idea that Jesus was technically a socialist which helps bolster Christianity to the PKK Marxist ideology.

If you look at anywhere European Christian missionaries went they always left the place in worse shape then before they arrived.

 

[Indian gir lion]

I have friends here in England who were working in Turkey as Christian missionaries for many years, until erdogan kicked them out. All of them were technically living in Ankara but would be sent out into different areas of the south east to spend several weeks at a time. I would ask them why all their work focussed on the south east of Turkey, they couldn't tell me.

These missionaries i suspect on an individual level genuinely believe they are doing good work, but they cannot see how they are being used for geopolitical ambitions against Turkey.

One of the tricks i heard from them was in promoting the idea that Jesus was technically a socialist which helps bolster Christianity to the PKK Marxist ideology.

If you look at anywhere European Christian missionaries went they always left the place in worse shape then before they arrived.

Turkey is very very easy to manage. ,don't get me wrong mate
Turkey is very easy to manage , good area , good culture, religious uniformity, less internal trouble etc
Its surprising how you folks cant keep refugees out though,
India too has taken many steps in this regard
Catholic indian Christan missionaries better than foreign American or german evangelst missionaries . licenses of various ngos which are used as front by these missionary fellas are cancelled.

 

[Indian gir lion]

Agreed with last para , responsible for naxal or commie terror in india .
And yes created strife too in the north east .

I have friends here in England who were working in Turkey as Christian missionaries for many years, until erdogan kicked them out. All of them were technically living in Ankara but would be sent out into different areas of the south east to spend several weeks at a time. I would ask them why all their work focussed on the south east of Turkey, they couldn't tell me.

These missionaries i suspect on an individual level genuinely believe they are doing good work, but they cannot see how they are being used for geopolitical ambitions against Turkey.

One of the tricks i heard from them was in promoting the idea that Jesus was technically a socialist which helps bolster Christianity to the PKK Marxist ideology.

If you look at anywhere European Christian missionaries went they always left the place in worse shape then before they arrived.

 

[Indian gir lion]

I have friends here in England who were working in Turkey as Christian missionaries for many years, until erdogan kicked them out. All of them were technically living in Ankara but would be sent out into different areas of the south east to spend several weeks at a time. I would ask them why all their work focussed on the south east of Turkey, they couldn't tell me.

These missionaries i suspect on an individual level genuinely believe they are doing good work, but they cannot see how they are being used for geopolitical ambitions against Turkey.

One of the tricks i heard from them was in promoting the idea that Jesus was technically a socialist which helps bolster Christianity to the PKK Marxist ideology.

If you look at anywhere European Christian missionaries went they always left the place in worse shape then before they arrived.

Well that way every religion is socialist,
Hinduism teaches to consume just enough for survival , be it food or wealth
Live a austere life, do good for others
Rather its taught in fifth verse of 14 th chapter in 7th skanda of srimadbhagwat
Its a dialogue between sage narada and king yudhishtir eldest of 5 pandav brothers
Narada said to yudhishtir, that this knowledge given to him by a even older rishi or sage called ajgar who asked his king to work like a workman with only attention towards ishwar the Supreme formless being .
He asked that a king and a worker were equal , the king at the end of teh day must not overindulge himself, and keep only the amount of wealth to barely sustain himself. Etc.
Thats how the story goes , iam sure Islam also has similar examples of giving and austere living .

 

[Sami1234]

We actually had loads, the nordics conquered england, france, created Russia etc. The earlier crusades were comprised of nordics despite coming from england, france.

The royal houses of europe are predominantly comprised of these nordic peoples.

To make matters worse the Barberry pirates who were vassals of the Ottomans used to regularly raid their coasts and take them as slaves. So behind the leadership of these nations is a sense of ethnic superiority, but also a deep bitterness at being taken as slaves by the Ottomans.

The one who led that campaign was Murad Reis btw he is Dutch not Turkish or Algerian.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The one who led that campaign was Murad Reis btw he is Dutch not Turkish or Algerian.

Yes, he was the one who knew the northern European routes. Many ethnic Europeans btw served in the Ottoman military and state.

 

[Heartbang]

Yes, he was the one who knew the northern European routes. Many ethnic Europeans btw served in the Ottoman military and state.

my favorite being donizetti pasha, who wrote this banger:

 

[GoatsMilk]

Turkey is very very easy to manage. ,don't get me wrong mate
Turkey is very easy to manage , good area , good culture, religious uniformity, less internal trouble etc
Its surprising how you folks cant keep refugees out though,
India too has taken many steps in this regard
Catholic indian Christan missionaries better than foreign American or german evangelst missionaries . licenses of various ngos which are used as front by these missionary fellas are cancelled.

I was born in England so my perspective of the world is quite different to the perspective of the common Turk in Turkey. One thing that always hits me about the common Turk in Turkey is how exceptionally naïve they are.

They see the world via their own character, so a country like Turkey can fill with millions and millions of refugees, because the common Turk thinks what can they do, they are not safe in their own country so its natural they look for safety. If our family was in danger we would look to do the same etc.

In Turkey everything has to reach the absolute edge of breaking point before Turks notice something bad is happening to them. This character makes it easy for Europe and the USA to play games with Turkey.

As for sweden and finland they were happy to stay neutral in any potential conflict with the west and Russia until their own arse was on the line. It should be easy for them to stay neutral in Turkeys battle with the PKK.

 

[Indian gir lion]

I was born in England so my perspective of the world is quite different to the perspective of the common Turk in Turkey. One thing that always hits me about the common Turk in Turkey is how exceptionally naïve they are.

They see the world via their own character, so a country like Turkey can fill with millions and millions of refugees, because the common Turk thinks what can they do, they are not safe in their own country so its natural they look for safety. If our family was in danger we would look to do the same etc.

In Turkey everything has to reach the absolute edge of breaking point before Turks notice something bad is happening to them. This character makes it easy for Europe and the USA to play games with Turkey.

As for sweden and finland they were happy to stay neutral in any potential conflict with the west and Russia until their own arse was on the line. It should be easy for them to stay neutral in Turkeys battle with the PKK.

Same with India, government won't notice till absolutely necessary and so the public but when government does notices, it is ruthless then
Its good that most Indians and even the government dont have faith in usa too much, we have many bad memories from cold war .
When the ghost of cia was chased across length and breath of india for 30 to 40 years
There is a reason, our second nuke tests went unnoticed by America
They later admitted , that cia had no credible network, rather no network at all in india

 

[Ryder]

Turkey should stop broadcasting Turkish dramas in Pakistan-afghanistan and arabic countries.

They literally generate money and increase soft power.

Ertugurl, fatmagulun sucu ne are all trash shows. But they make money.

 

[Ravenman]

Turkey should stop broadcasting Turkish dramas in Pakistan-afghanistan and arabic countries.

I am very, very dissapointed in especially the Pakistanis. I never expected that they would come with millions and make tiktokvideos about our women and policeofficers.

I expected that from Syrian and Afghani migrants, because they have a civil war history and are mental. But not from our 'brothers'.

 

[Anastasius]

Those Fins, werent their ancestor Huns?

Because Ahmad Ibn Fadlan wrote in his diary that when he traveled to Finland, the local northmen there fought against 'coloured and strong eastner tribes like Tatars' who were holding theirselves up in the northern mountains.

Michael Crighton wrote a story about it called 'The Eaters of the Dead' and John McTiernan directed the movie titled 'The 13th Warrior' with good old Antonio Banderas playing the Abbasidian ambassador Ahmad Ibn Fadlan. Very good movie.

Some Finns have Asiatic blood. They tend to deny it but you'll notice it anyway, many Finns look like someone took a quarter-Japanese person and slapped blond/e hair and blue eyes on them.

They weren't raped by Mongols as someone else implied. They never actually managed to reach that area.