TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[bisbis]

Do you think the aggressive attitudes of Greece towards Turkey, the visit of the Pelosi to Armenia, the re-aggression of Armenia, the supply of weapons to the PKK/YPG terrorist organization by the westerners in Syria, enough for an army, is the beginning of the concept of 2.5 war against Turkey again?

 

[Afif]

Do you think the aggressive attitudes of Greece towards Turkey, the visit of the Pelosi to Armenia, the re-aggression of Armenia, the supply of weapons to the PKK/YPG terrorist organization by the westerners in Syria, enough for an army, is the beginning of the concept of 2.5 war against Turkey again?

Concept is always there! Certainly greece is one war. Operation against pkk or similar is size military conflict is the half war. Now we left with another war which either israel or iran or egypt or france who may come to greece's help. And From that list the most likely candidates are france or israel. Armenia is not a security concern for turkey at all. It just too small and unimportant that even azarbijan take care of without bothering turkey too much.

anyway, turkey is not going to war in this decade or anytime soon.

 

[Afif]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BKAB6BAgDEAI&usg=AOvVaw2l5UpQ9XFx_TN9nqtp5BmL
so its happening then. Baykar already delivered 20 tb2 to UAE!

 

[Manomed]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BKAB6BAgDEAI&usg=AOvVaw2l5UpQ9XFx_TN9nqtp5BmL
so its happening then. Baykar already delivered 20 tb2 to UAE!

yeah lets deliver weapons to guys who bombed our base in libya!

Better yet erdogan should sell more land to these uae arabs If qataris were not enough.

 

[Afif]

yeah lets deliver weapons to guys who bombed our base in libya!

Better yet erdogan should sell more land to these uae arabs If qataris were not enough.

i dont understand why would qatari and uae people will buy lands in turkey? they are just way more rich in their own country.

 

[Manomed]

i dont understand why would qatari and uae people will buy lands in turkey? they are just way more rich in their own country.

They bought up half of istanbul and other places.

 

[Afif]

They bought up half of istanbul and other places.

you sound like those racist european conspiracy theorist who make sweeping false claims like for example the great replacement theory.

nearly one of every five or six turks lives in istanbul so how can some immigrants buy the half of istanbul?

 

[Manomed]

you sound like those racist european conspiracy theorist who make sweeping false claims like for example the great replacement theory.

nearly one of every five turks lives in istanbul so how can some immigrants buy the half of istanbul?

Not really most of the new buildings and land has been sold to qataris Im not making it up also when they buy land they get citizenship.

guess who bought the areas covering canal istanbul qataris

 

[Afif]

Not really most of the new buildings and land has been sold to qataris Im not making it up also when they buy land they get citizenship.

guess who bought the areas covering canal istanbul qataris

I did some research! It looks like the whole process is immigration through investment. So what's your objection about it ?

This is a modern capitalist concept for fast developing countries like turkey to attract foreign talents and investors. I mean, they are not like unmanageable refugees or illegal immigrants, but highly educated people and businessmen! So what's the problem? Wouldn't it going to help turkish economy in this crisis?

As far as i read, a lot of russian and ukrainian also immigrated to turkey by investment process after the war started.

 

[Manomed]

I did some research! It looks like the whole process is immigration through investment. So what's your objection about it ?

This is a modern capitalist concept for fast developing countries like turkey to attract foreign talents and investors. I mean, they are not like unmanageable refugees or illegal immigrants, but highly educated people and businessmen! So what's the problem? Wouldn't it going to help turkish economy in this crisis?

As far as i read, a lot of russian and ukrainian also immigrated to turkey by investment process after the war started.

You do realise that erdogan is the reason with his ummah bullshit that is attracting those arabs? the same ones who support muslim brotherhood terrorist organization.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/21/israel-turkey-un-erdogan-lapid/

A good example of erdogans failed policy, spent over a decade destroying relations with Isreal for no profit only to go back begging.

 

[Ryder]

You do realise that erdogan is the reason with his ummah bullshit that is attracting those arabs? the same ones who support muslim brotherhood terrorist organization.

Qataris have money.

Money runs the world. Remember this lots of the best houses and land are owned by Greeks, Armenians and Jews.

Nobody gives a shit at all when money comes to play everything changes.

People worship money.

 

[Afif]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/21/israel-turkey-un-erdogan-lapid/

A good example of erdogans failed policy, spent over a decade destroying relations with Isreal for no profit only to go back begging.

I thought they are the one who came visiting turkey!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0OmNyr_MSI1K37_Z538l90

it looks like if mr.erdo didn't do something when Israelis killed turkish nationals you would bashing him for being coward and now given he did something back then you are bashing for policy failure!

joks aside I do think it was a foreign policy failure from turkey. Despite the Mavi marmara incident turkey could have followed a balancing path given israel apologized for it

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3n7lARGeVqg_Rgnmn2ulhY

and also paid for the families of the victims

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...oQFnoECAUQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0CR_lgwhlWs83fk741lkG-.

Because by then israel realized it punched over its weight so they did back down. But, turkey kept pushing israel. I mean, the intention was good! Solidarity with Palestinian and it also gave turkey and good image in islamic world specially when arab nations were licking israel's boot. However, It was too much and over its weight that turkey can not handle or sustain.

But turkey kept doing it anyway. And in reality neither did this policy actually helped Palestinians nor turkish broader foreign policy objective for that matter. And now this kind of U-turn not just creates credibility problem for Mr. Erdogan but also hurt the image that turkey had. Instead, if turkey kept the good diplomatic relationship with Israel it would have somewhat better leverage with Israel and probably were batter able push israel for an actual peace with Palestine. And also, it wouldn't antagonize the Americans at the level that we saw later on.

Last but not the least it, shouldn't be forgotten that israel support greece against turkey anyway. And israel is a real threat to turkish interest in the region. I suspect, some people foolishly think israel can be turkish genuine friend! But this is just a dumb idea detached form long term reality.

 

[Ryder]

I thought they are the one who came visiting turkey! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0OmNyr_MSI1K37_Z538l90 it looks like if mr.erdo didn't do something when Israelis killed turkish nationals you would bashing him for being coward and now given he did something back then you are bashing for policy failure! joks aside I do think it was a foreign policy failure from turkey. Despite the Mavi marmara incident turkey could have followed a balancing path given israel apologize for it https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3n7lARGeVqg_Rgnmn2ulhY and also paid for the families of the victims https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...oQFnoECAUQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0CR_lgwhlWs83fk741lkG-. Because by then israel realized it punched over its weight so they did back down. But, turkey kept pushing israel. I mean, the intention was good! Solidarity with Palestinian and it also gave turkey and good image in islamic world specially when arab nations were licking israel's boot. However, It was too much and over its weight that turkey can not handle or sustain. But turkey kept doing it anyway. And in reality neither did this policy actually helped Palestinians nor turkish broader foreign policy objective for that matter. And now this kind of U-turn not just creates credibility problem for Mr. Erdogan but also hurt the image that turkey had. Instead, if turkey kept the good diplomatic relationship with Israel it would have somewhat better leverage with Israel and probably were batter able push israel for an actual peace with Palestine. And also, it wouldn't antagonize the Americans at the level that we saw later on. Last but not the least it, shouldn't be forgotten that israel support greece against turkey anyway. And israel is a real threat to turkish interest in the region. I suspect, some people foolishly think israel can be turkish genuine friend! But this is just a dumb idea detached form long term reality.

Engaging with Israel could actually help the Palestinians in the long run.

Because if a strong Muslim country actually vouches and helps the Palestinians because Israel can do whatever it wants because there is no strong Muslim country if there was Israel would be more cautious.

There is not going to be a war neither is Turkiye going to war against Israel just to save the Palestinians we can drop this high horse bullshit its not gonna work in reality.

 

[Afif]

Engaging with Israel could actually help the Palestinians in the long run.

Because if a strong Muslim country actually vouches and helps the Palestinians because Israel can do whatever it wants because there is no strong Muslim country if there was Israel would be more cautious.

There is not going to be a war neither is Turkiye going to war against Israel just to save the Palestinians we can drop this high horse bullshit its not gonna work in reality.

Yes, but it not the question of 'if turkey want to go to war with nuclear armed Israel or not for any reason whatsoever? it simply can't right now. But hopefully, when turkey and some other strong muslim countries in the region will have the capability to supress the israel decisively there would be no need for conflict. Israel by itself will call for genuine peace with Palestine and with everybody else.

So I do think, long term peace can be achieved without a war. it just muslim countries need military, technological and economic leverage over israel. And I think turkey can be the core of it and later hopefully other muslim countries will join turkey in these domains.

 

[Ryder]

Yes, but it not the question of 'if turkey want to go to war with nuclear armed Israel or not for any reason whatsoever? it simply can't right now. But hopefully, when turkey and some other strong muslim countries in the region will have the capability to supress the israel decisively there would be no need for conflict. Israel by itself will call for genuine peace with Palestine and with everybody else. So I do think, long term peace can be achieved without a war. it just muslim countries need military, technological and economic leverage over israel. And I think turkey can be the core of it and later hopefully other muslim countries will join turkey in these domains.

Always be strong politically, militarily and economically.

I also believe having a strong history and a imperial background helps because if you dont recognise your past you will never be strong in moving onto the future while recognising your past mistakes and avoiding them in the future.

 

[Afif]

Always be strong politically, militarily and economically.

I also believe having a strong history and a imperial background helps because if you dont recognise your past you will never be strong in moving onto the future while recognising your past mistakes and avoiding them in thr future.

I agree! You are right. But the word 'imperial background' maybe little bit miss leading. I don't think by and large muslim nations, which were part of the ottoman empire see turkey as colonizer and imperialist in the western imperialistic sense.

 

[Ryder]

I agree! You are right. But the word 'imperial background' maybe little bit miss leading. I don't think by and large muslim nations, which were part of the ottoman empire see turkey as colonizer and imperialist in the western imperialistic sense.

If you aint imperialistic you wont survive in this world.

How did Islam survive?

It survived by being imperialistic.

You either conquer or be conquered.

 

[Afif]

If you aint imperialistic you wont survive in this world.

How did Islam survive?

It survived by being imperialistic.

You either conquer or be conquered.

You don't understand! i am not disputing it. What I am saying is, muslim countries that were part of ottoman empire by and large didn't felt about the empire in the same way they felt about the european colonizers later. At that time Being part of the ottoman empire by and large was a relatively good thing for other muslim countries in the region. But being colonized by Europeans were horrible and not good at all. Ottoman empire preserved the islamic civilization as far as it could. but the europeans on the other hand destroyed the islamic civilization as much as they could.

 

[Ryder]

You don't understand! i am not disputing it. What I am saying is, muslim countries that were part of ottoman empire by and large didn't felt about the empire in the same way they felt about the european colonizers later. At that time Being part of the ottoman empire by and large was a relatively good thing for other muslim countries in the region. But being colonized by Europeans were horrible and not good at all. Ottoman empire preserved the islamic civilization as far as it could. but the europeans on the other hand destroyed the islamic civilization as much as they could.

Thats true I always say Muslims should always look at their past glory and try to move onto to the future.

Im proud of both Islamic and Turkic history.

Bangladesh is a country with lots of potential it just has to be used right. I know Bangladesh will never a superpower but it can be a neutral country like switzerland with a strong economy, political and military.

Bangladesh is a doing a good job in maintaining relations with everybody and in its region.