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I'm more confused as to why Greece thinks it should be given a full run-down whenever a European country so much as breathes in Turkiye's general direction.

the spoiled brat of europe always behaves this way. Starts all the conflicts then plays the victim and constantly begs Europe. Keep in mind that the EU uses them against Turkiye constantly. Cyprus is a good example or the sea of islands dispute. Basically they are used by the germanic ruling classes of europe as leverage against the their historic enemy the Turk.

But if you look at the dynamics of that nation, its a dead nation much like armenia. Shrinking populations, no kids, massive pensioner class etc f'k all science or industry. If Turkiye survives the islamist crises, in the next 20 to 30 years things are going to get really bad for the greeks in the region. Really bad. But then again i expect them to revert to type, it will be about being brothers again and historic cultural connections, just how the armenians have behaved throughout history.
 
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The jews are smarter than that I think.

The objective of Greater Israel is likely to install puppet governments and try to establish a de facto control. I mean look at the way theyve got europe and the US by the balls, they definitely have the competency to pull that off if left unchecked.

Time will tell for example, who this Golani guy from the "Golan Heights" really is.


Its always worth keeping in mind that the enemy manipulates public sentiment. If they have a puppet in charge of a Muslim majority nation they will even play the hostile enemy to add weight to their agents deception. As a way to legitimise the new guy who has shady origins, a guy who in 13 years of aerial bombardments some how survived, by making these sorts of statements they legitimise him to the Muslims of the region.

However, Assad staying in power i believe was always the plan. Him in power meant the nation could fragment into many pieces and that's exactly what was happening.

But i would argue what's more important is not what happens in the south its what happens in the north. Because lets be honest the only nation regionally with the size, industrial capacity and future potential to redraw the borders in the interests of the natives/muslim peoples is Turkiye. Syria even if she prospers moving forward there is nothing she can do for another 50 years, infact maybe there is nothing she could do ever. Its been a long time since the fall of the Ottomans and the middle eastern nations are scientifically and industrially basket cases. You got the energy giants and they produce nothing.
 
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Also the US/EU using sanctions as a way to create presure on Syria giving into their pkk demands, forces this action.


Let me also add, the only way Russia could find away back into Syria is if the west keeps sanctions on her. I guess the PKK project is more important to them then curtailing Russian expansionism/influence.
 
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At the end of the Munich Conference, its chairman burst into tears. You see, the US no longer wants to protect old Europe from Russian threats. Europe is not able to protect itself. It simply does not have the strength. It does not have a combat-ready army. Europe decided 35 years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that there was no longer any need to maintain large armed forces, since there was no longer and would be no more military danger. Many famous philosophers and opinion leaders, such as Fukuyama, convinced Europeans that the end of history was coming. That is, the end of all wars had come. After all, history is mostly wars, isn't it? ...
And Europe stopped worrying about its security.
Now it becomes known that the "Nostradamuses" were wrong - a large-scale war has been going on at Europe's doorstep for three years. And the US, on whose protection they counted, no longer wants to fulfill its allied obligations. When the Europeans heard the corresponding statement by Vice President Wentz, they instantly lost their former confidence and lost their former arrogance.
That's why Europe is crying.
Who will protect poor Europe?!
Russian are going to rape an aged whore, despite her menopause.

We all saw what happened during 500 days in Gaza. We saw how "compassionate" Europe, instead of protecting the victim, together with the United States armed whom and how. We saw who the American Congress applauded standing.

When Christian Armenia occupied our lands, we begged Europe for 30 years: "Why don't the laudable international laws work? Don't you see how the Armenian aggressors kill our defenseless citizens? Help us, we have no army, we don't know how to fight, we have a million refugees, save us!"

Do you know what Europe told us? Europe advised us to come to terms with the military reality and accept the status quo...

Now, it seems, it's Europe's turn!

I feel very sorry for the Ukrainians. But for Europe... I don't feel sorry for it at all.
 
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At the end of the Munich Conference, its chairman burst into tears. You see, the US no longer wants to protect old Europe from Russian threats. Europe is not able to protect itself. It simply does not have the strength. It does not have a combat-ready army. Europe decided 35 years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that there was no longer any need to maintain large armed forces, since there was no longer and would be no more military danger. Many famous philosophers and opinion leaders, such as Fukuyama, convinced Europeans that the end of history was coming. That is, the end of all wars had come. After all, history is mostly wars, isn't it? ...
And Europe stopped worrying about its security.
Now it becomes known that the "Nostradamuses" were wrong - a large-scale war has been going on at Europe's doorstep for three years. And the US, on whose protection they counted, no longer wants to fulfill its allied obligations. When the Europeans heard the corresponding statement by Vice President Wentz, they instantly lost their former confidence and lost their former arrogance.
That's why Europe is crying.
Who will protect poor Europe?!
Russian are going to rape an old prostitute, despite her menopause.

We all saw what happened during 500 days in Gaza. We saw how "compassionate" Europe, instead of protecting the victim, together with the United States armed whom and how. We saw who the American Congress applauded standing.

When Christian Armenia occupied our lands, we begged Europe for 30 years: "Why don't the laudable international laws work? Don't you see how the Armenian aggressors kill our defenseless citizens? Help us, we have no army, we don't know how to fight, we have a million refugees, save us!"

Do you know what Europe told us? Europe advised us to come to terms with the military reality and accept the status quo...

Now, it seems, it's Europe's turn!

I feel very sorry for the Ukrainians. But for Europe... I don't feel sorry for it at all.

You know regardless of the whole Secularists vs Islamists vs Kemalists in Turkiye.

Thank you Ataturk for preventing Turkiye getting geopolitically wiped out. Germany is the best example of a proud nation getting wiped out in the geopolitical arena since 1945.

Now today Turkiye is a regional power. Yes it has its problems but imagine if Sevres happened? Turkiye would have been wiped out.
 

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The jews are smarter than that I think.

The objective of Greater Israel is likely to install puppet governments and try to establish a de facto control. I mean look at the way theyve got europe and the US by the balls, they definitely have the competency to pull that off if left unchecked.

Time will tell for example, who this Golani guy from the "Golan Heights" really is.
The jews are smarter than that I think.

The objective of Greater Israel is likely to install puppet governments and try to establish a de facto control. I mean look at the way theyve got europe and the US by the balls, they definitely have the competency to pull that off if left unchecked.

Time will tell for example, who this Golani guy from the "Golan Heights" really is.

Thats the thing nowadays its all about indirect control.

Israel benefits from Arab countries that are poor ridden corrupt hellholes with dictators ruling. Most Arab armies are used to keep their people in control rather than fight any wars.

Israel even said a lot of the Arab countries in the Middle East are like a wall to them.
 

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At the end of the Munich Conference, its chairman burst into tears. You see, the US no longer wants to protect old Europe from Russian threats. Europe is not able to protect itself. It simply does not have the strength. It does not have a combat-ready army. Europe decided 35 years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that there was no longer any need to maintain large armed forces, since there was no longer and would be no more military danger. Many famous philosophers and opinion leaders, such as Fukuyama, convinced Europeans that the end of history was coming. That is, the end of all wars had come. After all, history is mostly wars, isn't it? ...
And Europe stopped worrying about its security.
Now it becomes known that the "Nostradamuses" were wrong - a large-scale war has been going on at Europe's doorstep for three years. And the US, on whose protection they counted, no longer wants to fulfill its allied obligations. When the Europeans heard the corresponding statement by Vice President Wentz, they instantly lost their former confidence and lost their former arrogance.
That's why Europe is crying.
Who will protect poor Europe?!
Russian are going to rape an old prostitute, despite her menopause.

We all saw what happened during 500 days in Gaza. We saw how "compassionate" Europe, instead of protecting the victim, together with the United States armed whom and how. We saw who the American Congress applauded standing.

When Christian Armenia occupied our lands, we begged Europe for 30 years: "Why don't the laudable international laws work? Don't you see how the Armenian aggressors kill our defenseless citizens? Help us, we have no army, we don't know how to fight, we have a million refugees, save us!"

Do you know what Europe told us? Europe advised us to come to terms with the military reality and accept the status quo...

Now, it seems, it's Europe's turn!

I feel very sorry for the Ukrainians. But for Europe... I don't feel sorry for it at all.

crocodile tears. When it came to Russia or Turkiye, they sided with Russia in all theatres. In places like Libya, France even openly allied with Russia. When it came to Syria they threatened Turkiye with sanctions and embargoes. When a Russian jet got downed they rushed to Russia's side. When it came to the Russian backed armenian occupation of Azerbaijans lands, they sided with Russia. Placing all sorts of sanctions and embargoes on Turkish military hardware.

Like i always say when it comes to politicians, pay little attention to what they say only what they do. If they were truly worried by Russia they wouldnt have worked to undermine Turkiye at every opportunity in favour of Russia. Turkiye has no means or interest in conqueroring eastern europe. But it can operate as a massive bulwark against Russian expansionism and despite european hostility and support for Russia has done just that in the region.

Truth be told the EU is hostile organisation, its best it fails. Turkiye should keep Russia away from the black sea and any area that concerns her, but if Russia intends to invade the rest of eastern Europe they should even sell them weapons. EU got no issues supporting terrorist organisations against the Turkish people, no issue prejudicing us, being racist towards. No issue supporting one sided territorial expansionist aims of weak backward nation like Greece, let their arses fry moving forward.

While the Turks have faced off with the Russians in multiple theatres and finding different levels of success, the entire controlled media spectrum in the west propagandised that Turkiye is an ally of Russia and enemy of NATO. The PKK got rebranded as a west loving democratic entity. Total western bullshit.

The benefit of america potentially pulling support for Ukraine and basically opening the doors of eastern europe to Russia is those same bastards in europe who supported terrorists against our people, will have to lower their heads moving forward. Because if Russia is "allowed" by the US to gobble up eastern europe, the EU project is finished and every european nation becomes about personal survival. The greeks will no longer be able to act as the spoiled brat of europe.

On a side note it is the same thing with China, if they were truly concerned by China you wouldn't undermine Turkiye considering the Turkic people stretch from the Balkans all the way across Central Asia directly into China itself. You would empower Turkiye as a bulwark against both Russia and China. But working to weaken Turkiye, basically opens central Asia up to Russian/Chinese domination.
 
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crocodile tears. When it came to Russia or Turkiye, they sided with Russia in all theatres. In places like Libya, France even openly allied with Russia. When it came to Syria they threatened Turkiye with sanctions and embargoes. When a Russian jet got downed they rushed to Russia's side. When it came to the Russian backed armenian occupation of Azerbaijans lands, they sided with Russia. Placing all sorts of sanctions and embargoes on Turkish military hardware.

Like i always say when it comes to politicians, pay little attention to what they say only what they do. If they were truly worried by Russia they wouldnt have worked to undermine Turkiye at every opportunity in favour of Russia. Turkiye has no means or interest in conqueroring eastern europe. But it can operate as a massive bulwark against Russian expansionism and despite european hostility and support for Russia has done just that in the region.

Truth be told the EU is hostile organisation, its best it fails. Turkiye should keep Russia away from the black sea and any area that concerns her, but if Russia intends to invade the rest of eastern Europe they should even sell them weapons. EU got no issues supporting terrorist organisations against the Turkish people, no issue prejudicing us, being racist towards. No issue supporting one sided territorial expansionist aims of weak backward nation like Greece, let their arses fry moving forward.

While the Turks have faced off with the Russians in multiple theatres and finding different levels of success, the entire controlled media spectrum in the west propagandised that Turkiye is an ally of Russia and enemy of NATO. The PKK got rebranded as a west loving democratic entity. Total western bullshit.

The benefit of america potentially pulling support for Ukraine and basically opening the doors of eastern europe to Russia is those same bastards in europe who supported terrorists against our people, will have to lower their heads moving forward. Because if Russia is "allowed" by the US to gobble up eastern europe, the EU project is finished and every european nation becomes about personal survival. The greeks will no longer be able to act as the spoiled brat of europe.

On a side note it is the same thing with China, if they were truly concerned by China you wouldn't undermine Turkiye considering the Turkic people stretch from the Balkans all the way across Central Asia directly into China itself. You would empower Turkiye as a bulwark against both Russia and China. But working to weaken Turkiye, basically opens central Asia up to Russian/Chinese domination.

Mind you Western/Europeans were perfectly fine in Russia colonising Central Asia.

They believed Russia was civilising the Turkic savages it only became a problem when Russia began to threaten British India.

Dont act surprised why they prefer Russian influence in Central Asia. To keep the status quo.

It is said that the EU preferred if Russia invaded the Caucasus or Central Asia rather than Ukraine. They did not care about Ukraine they considered it a buffer zone.
 

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We don't have enough Airforce to ensure no flight zone if Europe has it's little Balkan war again. Drones can only do so much.
 

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Per German media, US is also considering leaving KFOR and pulling its troops from Kosovo. With an unstable and increasingly aggressive Serbia, times will be interesting again in the Balkans.

Ideally we would like sides to just sit down and happily do business, but there might be a time in near future where Turkey will have to get its hands dirty again in the region.


Powerful Serbian Army?
Does the scaremongering have no end ?
 

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"Compared to its size" being the key phrase. They won't be bossing their Balkan neighbours around with a 20k men army and 14 Mig29's,will they?
War is diplomacy continued. They have a tiny air force, but have been modernizing their air defence with Chinese help. They have a small but competent army and a large paramilitary force. Kosovo have a much smaller military and lacks armor and artillery save for some number of vehicle based 120mm mortars. It is dependent on KFOR for its security from Serbia and that's why 25 years on, force is still active and manned.

In a time when US is theoretically pulling out, EU is in disarray, Serbia courting the French with the latest Rafale sale, it is possible that there would be a flashpoint. Kosovar TB2s by themselves would offer little against modern long range Chinese SAMs. Who would pass and enforce a no fly zone this time? Could we expect it to pass NATO with Trump on a roll, or EU when French and Greek outlook is in between? No UN action would be coming, that's for sure.

Turkey has a vested interest in Kosovar security and independence, but it doesn't have any mutual defense agreements with Kosovo. Logistics are also iffy. I don't expect a territory grab at this time or anything, but there will be more tension in the area and as Turkey have good relations with both, I think we should offer support and some stability.
 

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"Compared to its size" being the key phrase. They won't be bossing their Balkan neighbours around with a 20k men army and 14 Mig29's,will they?
They are getting Rafals, Puls from Israel.
You are a Romanian, I am surprised that you don't know your neighbours. Serbs like the Russians love to talk against Anglos and Jews but as soon as penny drops, they run on all fours
USA spent 402 million of dollars in the last 4 years in Bosnia in order to destroy a little what we have tried to build.
Now , it is the new phase. Like the dominoes.
You got to know that Serbs have many friends in Europe too
I don't know maybe what I am saying is far fetched but Turkey by intervening in way defends Turkey in Balkans not Edirne
Now let's see now what's EU. Let's see is Greece ( a country with 17 wages year) or PKK are more important than Turks or Muslims of Balkan, who have always been the enemies of Russia
Personally and in my experience I know what Europeans will choose .
Put it this way , that bitch from Afd , who is merried to Sri Lankan women, didn't have any problems to talk to Vance ( Indian wife), after the cowboy ignored Sholtz while in Germany??? She didn't have any concerns for the institution of her own country yet allegedly, she is true patriot
Sorry dude, I truly appreciate you and people like you but , there is not enough quality in Europe to do anything useful.
It is pretty obvious who is the conductor behind all of this , no?
 

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Per German media, US is also considering leaving KFOR and pulling its troops from Kosovo. With an unstable and increasingly aggressive Serbia, times will be interesting again in the Balkans.

Ideally we would like sides to just sit down and happily do business, but there might be a time in near future where Turkey will have to get its hands dirty again in the region.


Turkiye should aslo pull out from kosovo , albania & kosovo are both product of christian europian , albania got created by austrp-hungary while kosovo is just nato base to provoke orthodoxs . They made muslim albanians to love their killers and see them as heroes like skenderbeg & bogdani . But Turkiye should invest more and protect bosnia and aslo work with only INDEPEDENT balkan country , Serbia
 

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