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Of course you are right, the PKK has clearly been given a platform. But if it disbands, Turkey, the Turks and the Kurds who live in peaceful coexistence, who are related by blood and marriage, will finally have peace.
But if we assume that the PKK refuses to listen to Apo and the DEM party, then Turkey has also won and can actively prove that these organizations have no interest in their people and peace and can neutralize them legally and without political resistance.
But if we assume that the PKK refuses to listen to Apo and the DEM party, then Turkey has also won and can actively prove that these organizations have no interest in their people and peace and can neutralize them legally and without political resistance.
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Or, Pkk dissolves itself, the remaining terrorist joins the YPG (as they are already doing) which we couldn't get other countries to recognize as a terrorist organization.(We've somewhat made them accept the link between the two but what will happen after Pkk dissolves and Ypg remains?) We've end up losing our justification for cross-border operations.
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And here we go again
As I said before, the PKK is a terrorist state planted by the West to break Turkey, Iraq, and Syria. Zionists like Israel and USA will never allow their 50-years long project to fail rn especially when the possibility of Syria re-uniting as well as Turkey not being divided into smaller nations are done. At the very least, Israel wont allow it
Israel for instance is already creating a new PKK-like entity that will be centered around the Druze this time and, just like with the kurds, they will always call for independence and blah blah blah. Muslims, especially those who arent Sunni, have always been used by the West to harm the Sunnis. Same old story that repeats itself everytime
And as I said before, they will just change their name and cause but with the same modus operandi of destabilising Turkey and the region. The kurdish issue never existed in the first place; the west, as with many other nations throughout history, used to kurds as a pretext to fullfill their agenda and the PKK/SDF/YPG is no different
As I said before, the PKK is a terrorist state planted by the West to break Turkey, Iraq, and Syria. Zionists like Israel and USA will never allow their 50-years long project to fail rn especially when the possibility of Syria re-uniting as well as Turkey not being divided into smaller nations are done. At the very least, Israel wont allow it
Israel for instance is already creating a new PKK-like entity that will be centered around the Druze this time and, just like with the kurds, they will always call for independence and blah blah blah. Muslims, especially those who arent Sunni, have always been used by the West to harm the Sunnis. Same old story that repeats itself everytime
And as I said before, they will just change their name and cause but with the same modus operandi of destabilising Turkey and the region. The kurdish issue never existed in the first place; the west, as with many other nations throughout history, used to kurds as a pretext to fullfill their agenda and the PKK/SDF/YPG is no different
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Next AKP+MHP+DEM will draft a new constitution and the parliament will renew the elections with 360 MPs so that Erdogan can run again. Apo will be taken to house arrest and will be elected as the chairman of DEM.
Turkiye is heading in a disastrous direction, and there is no one or force to stop it.
BTW, even if PKK disarms and abolishes itself, bigger armed groups tied to PKK won't disarm. PKK got to a point where they can't sustain themselves, so practically it is not a meaningful gesture.
Turkiye is heading in a disastrous direction, and there is no one or force to stop it.
BTW, even if PKK disarms and abolishes itself, bigger armed groups tied to PKK won't disarm. PKK got to a point where they can't sustain themselves, so practically it is not a meaningful gesture.
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Thats what i said , the problem is not pkk , but kurds , pkkk gone next 'kkppp' come . Ypg is bigger, well equiped and under USA (zionism) protection . How will Turkiye or Ocalan disolve it with words ??
-please can u disolve yourself ??-
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CHP and İYİ Parti are holding an extraordinary meeting due to recent events; I must say that both parties are beasts right now, Dervişoğlu is a great leader and CHP is free from the shackles of Kılıçdaroğlu
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I wouldn't expect much from CHP. Only İYİ and Zafer seems to be opposing this.(Within the parties with considerable voter base)
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Mansur Yavaş, Tanju Özcan and others have been quite vocal. Remember the reason why they chose İmamoğlu is because he appeals to everyone, not just nationalists. CHP is betting on him to hold onto some Kurdish votes, meanwhile, İYİ, Zafer and nationalists within CHP will call out all of AKPs treasonous activities. Quite a good strategy if you ask me.
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When you put it like that, it seems like a strategy but I don't think it is. There are individuals within CHP(you can add Yankı Bağcıoğlu as well and now Cemal Enginyurt), that is correct but as a party CHP doesn't look like has any problem with the process.
This is Özgür Özel's tweet today,
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The previous "Çözüm Süreci" largely failed due to the Arab Spring and the unpredictable developments in Syria. As regional instability deepened, the PKK took advantage of the power vacuum and, with the support of the Baath regime, established control in certain border areas. At that time, Türkiye was fighting FETÖ, international dynamics were against us, and the world was facing the rise of ISIS. In this turmoil, the PKK perceived itself as stronger than ever, fell into the illusion that it could gain territory through armed struggle in Türkiye, and ended the resolution process.
With the collapse of the process in 2015, Türkiye completely cleared the PKK from its territory, dismantled the KCK, reduced PKK's recruitment to zero, and sociologically transformed the Kurds. The project to create a PKK corridor reaching the Mediterranean was thwarted, particularly through the Euphrates Shield Operation and other military interventions after the FETÖ coup attempt in 2016. As of 2024, all the meaningful remains of the PKK was the YPG, which derives its legitimacy from a picture in Syria where the Baathists/Iranians were in control.
On October 7, 2023, Hamas' Al-Aqsa Flood operation radically shifted regional balances. Seeing that Iran would be butchered by Israel and the U.S., and that Russia was focused on Ukraine, Türkiye calculated that the Syrian regime could be overthrown. Taking into account Israel's expansionist policies, a new strategy was put into motion, and within this framework, negotiations were initiated with Öcalan, the PKK, and regional actors.
As these negotiations reached a certain maturity, Devlet Bahçeli made a striking statement. By saying "Öcalan should come to Parliament" he shattered political taboos and opened the door to a new process. Simultaneously, military activity in Syria increased. MHP’s official social media accounts posted "The time has come, the homeland is at stake." every day at exactly 15:00. Eventually, these posts stopped, and soon after, the Syrian opposition launched an operation to liberate Damascus.
With the fall of Damascus, the dynamics on which the PKK relied in Syria was destroyed. However, this also posed a major risk for Israel. Israeli officials began making open statements in support of the PKK and started identifying Türkiye as a direct threat. A Türkiye that has resolved its Kurdish issue and strengthened militarily and politically is now seen as a serious threat by Israel and its allies.
At this exact point, Öcalan making a statement promising unity rather than division would be a move that clearly reveals the true positions of all actors. Those who genuinely desire peace and stability will be distinguished from the proxies of external powers like Israel and Iran.
In the next phase, radical developments such as constitutional amendments or even border changes could take place. I believe the ultimate goal is to establish a regional alliance under Türkiye’s hegemony, and that this vision is rooted in Misak-ı Milli. However, how much of this can be realized and to what extent Türkiye has the power to achieve it is a separate matter. After all, our adversaries are not just sitting and watching.
Türkiye took a major risk under the leadership of Devlet Bahçeli. However, the fundamental reason for taking this risk is that Türkiye feels very strong, both domestically and internationally. FETÖ-like structures have been eradicated, the state’s security apparatus operates in an extremely coordinated and powerful manner, and in the international arena, Türkiye's significance and influence have reached their peak in the history of the Republic. Militarily, we are no longer dependent on external powers; we produce our own technology.
I understand criticisms of this strategy and that some may find the plan flawed. However, reducing the issue to mere election calculations is a shallow approach. Bahçeli, who is already at the end of his political career, has no personal gain in this. His only motivation is to ensure Türkiye's growth. Everyone knows that he is highly unlikely to be in the next elections.
Historically speaking, we were defeated in the last century, and these lands were forcibly taken from us. We made Anatolia our refuge, multiplied our population, strengthened our army, industry, and infrastructure, and reorganized our state.
Now, in an era where history is accelerating, we do not have the luxury of burying our heads in the sand.
The artificial borders drawn 100 years ago by Western imperialists to create constant crises in the Middle East and ensure the future security of the soon-to-be-established Israel are now crumbling. As the strongest state in the region, Türkiye is making moves for the next century with an imperial memory.
This is how I interpret the situation.
With the collapse of the process in 2015, Türkiye completely cleared the PKK from its territory, dismantled the KCK, reduced PKK's recruitment to zero, and sociologically transformed the Kurds. The project to create a PKK corridor reaching the Mediterranean was thwarted, particularly through the Euphrates Shield Operation and other military interventions after the FETÖ coup attempt in 2016. As of 2024, all the meaningful remains of the PKK was the YPG, which derives its legitimacy from a picture in Syria where the Baathists/Iranians were in control.
On October 7, 2023, Hamas' Al-Aqsa Flood operation radically shifted regional balances. Seeing that Iran would be butchered by Israel and the U.S., and that Russia was focused on Ukraine, Türkiye calculated that the Syrian regime could be overthrown. Taking into account Israel's expansionist policies, a new strategy was put into motion, and within this framework, negotiations were initiated with Öcalan, the PKK, and regional actors.
As these negotiations reached a certain maturity, Devlet Bahçeli made a striking statement. By saying "Öcalan should come to Parliament" he shattered political taboos and opened the door to a new process. Simultaneously, military activity in Syria increased. MHP’s official social media accounts posted "The time has come, the homeland is at stake." every day at exactly 15:00. Eventually, these posts stopped, and soon after, the Syrian opposition launched an operation to liberate Damascus.
With the fall of Damascus, the dynamics on which the PKK relied in Syria was destroyed. However, this also posed a major risk for Israel. Israeli officials began making open statements in support of the PKK and started identifying Türkiye as a direct threat. A Türkiye that has resolved its Kurdish issue and strengthened militarily and politically is now seen as a serious threat by Israel and its allies.
At this exact point, Öcalan making a statement promising unity rather than division would be a move that clearly reveals the true positions of all actors. Those who genuinely desire peace and stability will be distinguished from the proxies of external powers like Israel and Iran.
In the next phase, radical developments such as constitutional amendments or even border changes could take place. I believe the ultimate goal is to establish a regional alliance under Türkiye’s hegemony, and that this vision is rooted in Misak-ı Milli. However, how much of this can be realized and to what extent Türkiye has the power to achieve it is a separate matter. After all, our adversaries are not just sitting and watching.
Türkiye took a major risk under the leadership of Devlet Bahçeli. However, the fundamental reason for taking this risk is that Türkiye feels very strong, both domestically and internationally. FETÖ-like structures have been eradicated, the state’s security apparatus operates in an extremely coordinated and powerful manner, and in the international arena, Türkiye's significance and influence have reached their peak in the history of the Republic. Militarily, we are no longer dependent on external powers; we produce our own technology.
I understand criticisms of this strategy and that some may find the plan flawed. However, reducing the issue to mere election calculations is a shallow approach. Bahçeli, who is already at the end of his political career, has no personal gain in this. His only motivation is to ensure Türkiye's growth. Everyone knows that he is highly unlikely to be in the next elections.
Historically speaking, we were defeated in the last century, and these lands were forcibly taken from us. We made Anatolia our refuge, multiplied our population, strengthened our army, industry, and infrastructure, and reorganized our state.
Now, in an era where history is accelerating, we do not have the luxury of burying our heads in the sand.
The artificial borders drawn 100 years ago by Western imperialists to create constant crises in the Middle East and ensure the future security of the soon-to-be-established Israel are now crumbling. As the strongest state in the region, Türkiye is making moves for the next century with an imperial memory.
This is how I interpret the situation.
