TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Barry]

Good tbh

 

[TR_123456]

peter zeihan analysis on Turks situation.

This guy is an idiot,dont take him to serious.

 

[TheInsider]

It is hilarious to see the EU is self-destructing itself because of Greece and Southern Cyprus. EU will either grow up or be squeezed between the US, Russia and China.

 

[Costin1984]

It is hilarious to see the EU is self-destructing itself because of Greece and Southern Cyprus. EU will either grow up or be squeezed between the US, Russia and China.

I fail to see how EU is self destructing because of those 2 states.
Europe doesn't give up on Ukraine, it certainly can't abandon 2 MEMBER states to maximalist demands from an outside power,that's a severe no go.

 

[TheInsider]

I fail to see how EU is self destructing because of those 2 states.
Europe doesn't give up on Ukraine, it certainly can't abandon 2 MEMBER states to maximalist demands from an outside power,that's a severe no go.

EU GDP and the US GDP were similar back in the day. Fast forward today, the EU GDP is half of the US GDP and China boomed in that period while EU is stagnated. Those 2 powers out competed the EU and it will be even worse in the next decade.


Greek demands are maximalist, not the other way around, get your facts straight.

 

[Costin1984]

EU GDP and the US GDP were similar back in the day. Fast forward today, the EU GDP is half of the US GDP and China boomed in that period while EU is stagnated. Those 2 powers out competed the EU and it will be even worse in the next decade.


Greek demands are maximalist, not the other way around, get your facts straight.

I'm not as familiar as I should be with the Greek-Cypriot-Turkish triangle,so,I'll try not to be very argumentative on this( I know the historical facts,geographical ones,etc but it does require more indepht study).
That being said, you're right on what you've said, on those economical parameters,but,all is far from lost.If the EU should give up,upcoming players like Turkey, and basically everyone else should just lie down and die.
No,there's still wealth, knowledge, tremendous capability within Europe to fight on,to come back.If we can't do it,NO ONE can do it,and the world will be split between US and China.

If a block of 450 million people (excluding close allies as Norway, or the UK), with a GDP per capita of over 43k (Turkey is at 15.5k),with companies like Airbus, Leonardo,Thales,ASNL,Rheinmettal,MBDA,Spotify ,Lidl, Aldi, Carrefour ,BMW,Eutelsat, ,etc,etc ,with its own space rockets,(Ariane),is already defeated and dying....you might just give up on everything now.

 

[TR_123456]

I'm not as familiar as I should be with the Greek-Cypriot-Turkish triangle,so,I'll try not to be very argumentative on this( I know the historical facts,geographical ones,etc but it does require more indepht study).
That being said, you're right on what you've said, on those economical parameters,but,all is far from lost.If the EU should give up,upcoming players like Turkey, and basically everyone else should just lie down and die.
No,there's still wealth, knowledge, tremendous capability within Europe to fight on,to come back.If we can't do it,NO ONE can do it,and the world will be split between US and China.

If a block of 450 million people (excluding close allies as Norway, or the UK), with a GDP per capita of over 43k (Turkey is at 15.5k),with companies like Airbus, Leonardo,Thales,ASNL,Rheinmettal,MBDA,Spotify ,Lidl, Aldi, Carrefour ,BMW,Eutelsat, ,etc,etc ,with its own space rockets,(Ariane),is already defeated and dying....you might just give up on everything now.

What he meant to say is that the EU needs cheap energy to be compatable with the rest of the world.
There is no benefit in producing in the EU when its not feasible in terms of energy costs.
If the gas pipeline from Algeria becomes a fact then the EU has a chance,if not he is right.
Or,the war ends and cheap Russian gas flows back to Europe which can take years by the looks of it.
Greek/Cypriot issue will stay a hurdle between Türkiye and the EU until they give up and see the bigger picture.

 

[Costin1984]

What he meant to say is that the EU needs cheap energy to be compatable with the rest of the world.
There is no benefit in producing in the EU when its not feasible in terms of energy costs.
If the gas pipeline from Algeria becomes a fact then the EU has a chance,if not he is right.
Or,the war ends and cheap Russian gas flows back to Europe which can take years by the looks of it.
Greek/Cypriot issue will stay a hurdle between Türkiye and the EU until they give up and see the bigger picture.

1.I need a further read on both sides position to have a balanced opinion on the TR-GR spat,can't comment now.
2.Yes,Europe needs cheaper energy, alot of red tape has to be undone for that to work.
3.Yes,many things need to change but I've had enough with the " eurofags can't fight,Russia will demolish them,they must begg us for help" rhetoric. It's far from the truth, not constructive ,and projects an image about others which is false.

 

[TR_123456]

3.Yes,many things need to change but I've had enough with the " eurofags can't fight,Russia will demolish them,they must begg us for help" rhetoric. It's far from the truth, not constructive ,and projects an image about others which is false.

That comment is because Europe cares more about LGBTQXYZ shit then having active armies.
Do you know in which shape European armies are or you want to act like everything is ok?
German,Dutch,Belgian.Danish,Cech,Slowak,Bulgarian armies are ''none'' existant.
UK has a navy,France has an army and navy so do Italy/Greece and Spain.
Poland has an army(most ready of all).
Dont know about Romania and Hungary,
There is no European army so when people say ''Europeans cant fight'' there is some truth in it.
Who is going to fight,how long does it take for the 28 to agree to fight?
Use logic and you'll see.

 

[Costin1984]

That comment is because Europe cares more about LGBTQXYZ shit then having active armies.
Do you know in which shape European armies are or you want to act like everything is ok?
German,Dutch,Belgian.Danish,Cech,Slowak,Bulgarian armies are ''none'' existant.
UK has a navy,France has an army and navy so do Italy/Greece and Spain.
Poland has an army(most ready of all).
Dont know about Romania and Hungary,
There is no European army so when people say ''Europeans cant fight'' there is some truth in it.
Who is going to fight,how long does it take for the 28 to agree to fight?
Use logic and you'll see.

Those armies are not at their best,but,factor in the population size.
Take Romania....19 million vs Turkiye 86....49 F16,s,54 Himars,400 or so modern Apc's, 82k professional soldiers(no conscripts),etc .....multiply that by a factor or 4.5.I can go on by country sizes...
Yes,improvements are needed....things are changing, but Russia struggles in a 1000km2 areea for 3 years.
EVERYONE is going to fight, if the fight comes at their doorstep.

 

[TR_123456]

Those armies are not at their best,but,factor in the population size.
Take Romania....19 million vs Turkiye 86....49 F16,s,54 Himars,400 or so modern Apc's,etc .....multiply that by a factor or 4.5.I can go on by country sizes...

That doesnt matter,they do surveys about going to war,the outcome is almost 98% no.
You need a ''ready army'' not ''willing to fight'' people.
Dont make it look easy.you know you are wrong in this,going to war is not easy but i wont argue with you on this.
Lets just wait and see