General Aviation

[Zafer]

Could this company have gone bankrupt?

Likely so, their website has no content and the lead person's Facebook account is only personal and not company.
If you guys can afford a small investment of like $40k let me know, I have a winning plan loaded with excitement.

 

[TR_123456]

This is like the Robinson R44 which is the most basic 4 seater helicopter which is still in production and about 7000 delivered so far. Not a high quality helicopter bu which is also the cheapest. So they have a proven trackrecord which is attractive to follow. However eVTOL taxis should be the prime focus for any statup in aviation. With the new Xiomi battery technology patent which can give 3000 km range on a car with a 5 minute charge battery helicopters are bound to become a thing in a 5 year timeframe. However with the multitude of aviation engines now being developed in Türkiye it is also very attractive to develop aircraft for these domestic engines. I for one am dreaming of a multitude of design for these domestic engines. Not military but civilian though. I think Turkish general aviation should go into a boom phase as it is in a miserable condition now.

There are a number of leverages that can create a boom in LSA sector in Türkiye one of which is a possible introduction of a Part 103 type regulation in our law which the aviation sector should push for. This will enable a boom in the single seat aircraft sector. With some incentivization a new sector of economy can be created in Türkiye.

How is this an answer to my post?
Even civilian helicopters should be better designed,any Tom Dick and Harry could build this design with a blueprint(not even).

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Havasan started the development of a 4 seat helicopter in 2016, but their website shows no content at the moment.

http://havasan.com.tr/

https://www.star.com.tr/teknoloji/iste-yerli-goktug-helikopteri-haber-1359437/

We are actually lacking light helis for general aviation that are manufactured locally. TAI is more than capable but it's busy with many models simultaneously and has a very tight schedule, so it's good that ventures like this pop up. I'm not too optimistic but it's worth a try. It may not be unique in its design and does resemble the Robinson R44 or the FH-1100 but that's beside the point. If it's successful, it could sell really well locally and export wise.

 

[Sanchez]

TAI is more than capable but it's busy with many models simultaneously and has a very tight schedule, so it's good that ventures like this pop up.

Is it? Half of the job of a good GA aircraft is low costs, how can TAI as the giant that is build such a helicopter and make money doing it while they're building satellites 2 hangars down. It doesn't make sense. We are thinking it wrong. We have many startups here as zafer outlined, but nearly all of them have failed to gain attraction, why?

 

[Zafer]

How is this an answer to my post?
Even civilian helicopters should be better designed,any Tom Dick and Harry could build this design with a blueprint(not even).

It is a proven and affordable design, who cares about modern if they can't afford it.

There are more modern classical helicopter designs in the world but they have not materialized yet and probably never will as the focus is on electrical drive systems and not on combustion power anymore.

 

[mTT]

Likely so, their website has no content and the lead person's Facebook account is only personal and not company.
If you guys can afford a small investment of like $40k let me know, I have a winning plan loaded with excitement.

What should be the initial investment for a project like this?

 

[Zafer]

Here is a modern design

Luxury Private Helicopter - HILL HELICOPTERS

Hill Helicopters’ mission is to fully disrupt the general aviation market with a revolutionary aircraft design. Discover our HX50 Luxury Private Helicopter.

www.hillhelicopters.com

 

[Zafer]

What should be the initial investment for a project like this?

It has to be certified through EASA of Europe like Hürkuş and Gökbey went through, so I would say you start with like $30+ mn for a 4 seater helicopter to get to production ready. This is a kind of money only Baykar can afford in the private sector.

 

[TR_123456]

It is a proven and affordable design, who cares about modern if they can't afford it.

There are more modern classical helicopter designs in the world but they have not materialized yet and probably never will as the focus is on electrical drive systems and not on combustion power anymore.

Why do you always try to make it look like it is something special when its not?
Why not have a modern sleek design with an electric drive system,wouldnt it make it more unique?
If you do something,do it perfect,not just good enough!
Could be the reason why the project is ''cancelled''.

 

[TR_123456]

Here is a modern design

Luxury Private Helicopter - HILL HELICOPTERS

Hill Helicopters’ mission is to fully disrupt the general aviation market with a revolutionary aircraft design. Discover our HX50 Luxury Private Helicopter.

www.hillhelicopters.com

See,this one looks sleek and sexy.
High potential.

 

[Zafer]

Why do you always try to make it look like it is something special when its not?
Why not have a modern sleek design with an electric drive system,wouldnt it make it more unique?
If you do something,do it perfect,not just good enough!
Could be the reason why the project is ''cancelled''.

It was started in 2016 and we live in a different world for aviation today. eVTOL designs have been matured to production level by several multi billion dollar companies around the world although their business model are yet to prove profitable because they will not sell aircraft to third parties but they will operate their own airlines.

 

[Zafer]

I believe in single seat and double seat light sport aircraft (or Ultralight) helicopters and airplanes as they are more affordable and have easier regulations to comply with. Aircraft have similar operational requirements like automobiles but are more stringent.

Airworthiness certification of aircraft (proving it flies well)	harder to get certification as the aircraft becomes more complex
Periodic maintenance	the bigger the aircraft the more the expenses
Taxes and expenses of operation	the bigger the aircraft the more the expenses
Pilot education & training	more of it as the aircraft gets more complex
Medical condition of pilot	more stringent for larger aircraft
Some background check may apply	stay out of trouble

 

[TR_123456]

News containing accidents crashes,friendly fire losses etc are not allowed on the forum.
We have stated this many times before.
No use arguing about it.

 

[Zafer]

Oshkosh Airventure 2025 is in

 

[Zafer]

Night airshow, must see.

 

[Zafer]

Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft 2.0 (MOSAIC)​

MOSAIC is here, Sport Pilot 2.0, aviation made easier and more affordable (for Americans). We don't have Sport Pilot Certification in Türkiye and we should as it makes entry level aviation half as costly and half as difficult yet twice the fun.

https://www.eaa.org/eaa/advocacy/top-issues/mosaic-aircraft-certificate

 

[Zafer]

ICON Aircraft co-founder and ex F16 pilot CEO Kirk Hawkins dies in a wing suit crash in Swiss Alps.

His sudden death can be expected to weaken the Icon Aircraft's position in the seaplane market.

 

[Zafer]

I hadn't seen this bird until yesterday in an old movie. It may not be competitive in this new world of twin engines with its double twin engines it gave an additional capability to its makers at the time. It is Vickers VC-10 first flown in 1962 and until 1981 taking after the Soviet Ilyushin IL-62 which has the same design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_VC10#

 

[Sanchez]

It may not be competitive in this new world of twin engines

It wasn't competitive in its age as well. IL-62 stuck around due to embargoes for decades but for any west leaning country that didn't have any embargoes from US, 707 simply swept the market. VC-10 had the advantage of higher top speed and better STOL performance. It was designed to be used on the old British colonies like in Africa and and India that didn't have large runways. Its operating costs were high and readiness was abysmal due to British engineering of the day. There should be a quip from a BOAC(BA before it was created) executive saying they are in the business of making money, not playing babysitter to indigenous designs. That's capitalism for you. Like many other civilian British designs, it was simply not good enough compared to American offerings and was an abysmal financial loss; less than 50 was built I think, including the military versions. Most countries just decided to enlarge their runways that allowed 707 operations and be done with it.

 

[Zafer]

General aviation took off after the WW2 when there were plenty of small airplanes and engines made for them were left over from the war. Unfortunately Türkiye was not included it the aviation rush. However there is a new age and new opportunity particularly made for Türkiye. The drone industry have produced over a thousand tactical class drones of which we have just learned that 917 of them are Bayraktar TB2. The TB2 and any other tactical drone is in a class where the plane is capable of carrying two people while they are not actually made for people. While the planes are not made for people the engines are capable of powering a plane that can carry two occupants. A 100 hp engine is the perfect power plant for a two seat airplane. Baykar recently announced that they need 200 engines per year just to replace the engines powering the existing drones. What happens to those engines taken out of the planes while they arguably still have life in them. What if those engines are maintained and put into use in civilian light sport aircraft. It would be the aviation run of post ww2 era all over again, and particularly for Türkiye.

So, how likely is it that this scenario comes to life.