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....getting off fossil fuel and nuclear caused their problem --as Trump told them so a few years agoThey're still looking toward fossil fuel for energy that won't solve anything in the long run. I think it's necessary to think bigger. I wish it was mandatory to have solar panels on on all rooftops and all exess energy go to industrial use of sorts, or commercial. the state could give tax relief for certain % of contribution that could finance the investment.
Consumers always end up having to bear the expenses one way or another, that is why no government would easily give up taxing citizens for green investment.
Solar panels, wind energy, hydropower, a treadmill even, all of this needs to be given more incentives, for businesses and individuals.They're still looking toward fossil fuel for energy that won't solve anything in the long run. I think it's necessary to think bigger. I wish it was mandatory to have solar panels on on all rooftops and all exess energy go to industrial use of sorts, or commercial. the state could give tax relief for certain % of contribution that could finance the investment.
Consumers always end up having to bear the expenses one way or another, that is why no government would easily give up taxing citizens for green investment.
There is one simple answer, economics. Someone needs to keep making money from anything, and if taxpayers ever become net contributors to energy and don’t pay for electricity someone is going to lose a lot of money. I think the US is an example of this. People with PV are not allowed to deliver to the grid.Solar panels, wind energy, hydropower, a treadmill even, all of this needs to be given more incentives, for businesses and individuals.
It's beyond me how so many see the green industry as something threatening, when there's so much potential for economic growth connected to it
With solar panels becoming ever cheaper to produce and install, the near self-sufficiency of households will turn into an inevitable reality though, add to that the increasing unwillingness of the taxpayer to fund fossil fuel industries, this is going to be a fundamental shift in energy generation…There is one simple answer, economics. Someone needs to keep making money from anything, and if taxpayers ever become net contributors to energy and don’t pay for electricity someone is going to lose a lot of money. I think the US is an example of this. People with PV are not allowed to deliver to the grid.
There is one simple answer, economics. Someone needs to keep making money from anything, and if taxpayers ever become net contributors to energy and don’t pay for electricity someone is going to lose a lot of money. I think the US is an example of this. People with PV are not allowed to deliver to the grid.
Going to get to this asap, sorry for my late reply, just wanted to let you know.With solar panels becoming ever cheaper to produce and install, the near self-sufficiency of households will turn into an inevitable reality though, add to that the increasing unwillingness of the taxpayer to fund fossil fuel industries, this is going to be a fundamental shift in energy generation…
I’ll be looking into this a bit further and try to compile some data on it all.
In 2020, Europe in total consumed 541.1Bil m³ of gas, which is down from the 553.5Bil m³ consumption of 2019. Out of which, Germany consumed 86.5 Billion m³ of natural gas, down from 88.7Bil m³ in 2019.Going to get to this asap, sorry for my late reply, just wanted to let you know.
Germany should explore domestic oil and gas reserves to ‘stand on its own feet’: minister
in Oil & Companies News 09/04/2022
Germany should explore its domestic oil and gas reserves in the North Sea, Finance Minister Christian Lindner was quoted as saying on Wednesday, as Europe’s biggest economy looks for alternatives to cut its dependence on Russian fossil fuels.
After years of prospering from Russian energy imports, Germany is convulsed by a debate over how to unwind a business relationship that critics say is financing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Russia supplies 40% of Europe’s gas needs.
“I think the coalition agreement stipulating that we no longer want to produce oil and gas in the North Sea and do not want to explore new fields is out of time,” Lindner was quoted as saying by the ntv broadcaster, citing The European magazine.
Lindner said Germany had unused reserves of raw materials and must “stand on its own feet” in terms of energy policy.
The government will systematically expand renewable energy to fill the supply gap but other alternatives must be considered, he said, adding that domestic oil and gas exploration had a different economic perspective than previously assumed due to the increase in energy prices.
“We have to look at what is actually going on in the North Sea,” Lindner said, adding that Germany must talk with its European partners, especially the Netherlands, on the matter.
Around one billion cubic meters of gas could be produced annually from the natural gas field in the German-Dutch border area in the North Sea near the island of Borkum, ntv said, citing estimates by the Federal Association of Natural Gas, Oil and Geoenergy.
Earlier on Wednesday, Germany’s economy and climate ministry presented a package of measures to speed up the expansion of renewable energy, as the need to reduce the country’s heavy reliance on Russian fossil fuels adds urgency to its green transition plans.
Source: Reuters (Reporting by Riham Alkousaa; editing by Richard Pullin)
https://www.hellenicshippingnews.co...s-reserves-to-stand-on-its-own-feet-minister/
Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...would also mean much more fracking in our area.. we already have the highest cancer rate in germany THANK YOU
With the current LNG infrastructure in place, it's not an option. The german government has been pumping resources into building new LNG terminals in North Sea ports and aims to open them as soon as possible in the next few years. But for the meantime foreign ports in Europe are virtually the only option.Isn't there any alternative? Gas from Qatar maybe ?
If you and other folks want to, we can continue the topic here... But I need to preemptively say that I'm learning by doing here, and only been invested in this topic basically for 1-2 months now and my opinion isn't valid on anything.Germany currently imports approximately the same value of oil and gas from Russia. Import of oil can be easily replaced from that of other countries, and the impact to the German economy from completely eliminating Russian oil would be negligible. Gas is more difficult.
Overall cutting both oil and gas immediately would most likely result in a GDP loss of about 0.2-1.3% (with the lower end more likely). In the most extreme of scenarios, at the very most, it would result in a GDP loss of 2.2%. You can read the study here: https://www.econtribute.de/RePEc/ajk/ajkpbs/ECONtribute_PB_028_2022.pdf
It's also worth noting that even if Germany supplies Ukraine with heavy weapons, Russia is highly unlikely to cut energy exports. Russia is far too dependent on German energy money.
Gas is typically transported via pipelines, which have limited capacity, hence the need for projects like Nordstream 2. Most of Russia's gas pipelines go to Europe, and it does not have the capacity to transport gas in anywhere near the desired quantities to China and elsewhere. You can convert natural to liquefied natural gas, which is then easier to transport by ship, but Russia doesn't have the infrastructure for that either. Additionally countries on the receiving end need to have LNG terminals in sufficient quantity.With the current LNG infrastructure in place, it's not an option. The german government has been pumping resources into building new LNG terminals in North Sea ports and aims to open them as soon as possible in the next few years. But for the meantime foreign ports in Europe are virtually the only option.
Pipeline imports from Russia are enormous and not easily replaceable for a country that's been neglecting LNG for years.
If you and other folks want to, we can continue the topic here... But I need to preemptively say that I'm learning by doing here, and only been invested in this topic basically for 1-2 months now and my opinion isn't valid on anything.
Hypothetically speaking, if Germany would actually send heavy weaponry to Ukraine and Russia cut the gas in return, what market does that leave for Russia, other than China? Germany is by far the biggest euro customer of their gas and as you said a vital source of money, and it seems pretty ludicrous to think that Russia would make its energy income dependent on China, especially now that their war performance has been laid bare. As far as I know, chinese support has been barely enough to deny accusations of not supporting their alliance, and there's been many considerations about the future relations with Russia.
So, from this perspective, nothing really stands in the way of Germany supplying arms.
Been reading up on the gas industry for a bit now, the entire hydrocarbon industry really. Matter of fact remains that LNG is still more expensive and less secure than pipeline, and German supply is dominated by pipeline... and in the case of gas from the western siberian basin the extraction is immensely good quality gas, up to 99% CH4 iirc.Gas is typically transported via pipelines, which have limited capacity, hence the need for projects like Nordstream 2. Most of Russia's gas pipelines go to Europe, and it does not have the capacity to transport gas in anywhere near the desired quantities to China and elsewhere. You can convert natural to liquefied natural gas, which is then easier to transport by ship, but Russia doesn't have the infrastructure for that either. Additionally countries on the receiving end need to have LNG terminals in sufficient quantity.
Will they be able to obtain it at all?Russia is currently building a new gas pipeline to China and another one to Pakistan. But these are very expensive projects, and the one to China is scheduled to begin operation in 2-3 years. Furthermore Russia needs Western tech to build and mantain a lot of its gas and oil infrastructure, which will be harder to obtain under sanctions.
He has a real chance to get Putin out of power, but doesn't use it. He could gain so much, and hell he would even be supported on the domestic base if Putin were to fall. A lot of the germans would take higher gas prices, if not gas rationing, in exchange for toppling him.Basically Russia would continue to send gas to Germany no matter what, Scholz's reasoning for not sending heavy weapons to Ukraine lie elsewhere.