Navy Greece: Meko Modernisation , LCS Freedom class & MMSC frigates(2-2.5 billion euros)

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Here are the options:

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I feel like this last one is the weakest:

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The Greek Navy with the LoR (Letter of Request for Letter of Acceptance) in February 2021 asked for 4 things from the US, that is, long before the MoU was signed in Paris between Greece and France for 3 + 1 FDI HN frigates. The Letter of Acceptance for the American offer arrived yesterday with all the relevant details. LoA's content (ie US response) in terms of price has nothing to do with what was written by news sites as it is much lower. These 4 things that were asked in February 2021 were the following:
1) New frigates (based on HF2 = MMSC) in the context of the process that was underway at the time.
2) Modernization of MEKO200HN in add-on configurations (ie, with options that would shape the final cost)
3) Intermediate Solution (with the possibility of rejection by the Greek Navy of various solutions such as the acquisition of Oliver Hazard Perry frigates), with "targeting" LCS Freedom and Ticonderoga cruisers, but also many other smaller ships and auxiliaries (assume Legend Class, Fleet oil tankers, etc.)
4) Greek participation in a new frigate design, ie with the prospect of Greece participating in the USN Constellation class frigates.
The USA with this LoA does not come to overturn the final decision of the Greek Navy since the acquisition of the French FDI HN has now taken on an official character while the first agreements with the French companies were signed. With this proposal, the USA comes to supplement the existing decision of the Greek Navy. The proposal brought by the USA, although in theory it responds fully and comprehensively to the initial request of the Greek Navy, nevertheless it can be activated in stages or partially, ie Greece can choose that it benefits from 1,2,3 and 4, and through them, whatever is needed. The US proposal is as follows:
1) Configuration of the LCS Freedom class in MMSC which for Greece would be called HF2 with the Navy being able to choose how to equip it, so that it comes to the level of capabilities and costs that it desires. In short, it can be shaped with a corvette rather than a frigate.
2) Modernization of the existing MEKO200HN in a version "equal" to the new frigates, always based on the CMS COMBATSS-21 but also what the Greek Navy has requested. The modernization can be applied to less than 4 ships if the Greek side wishes.
3) The US offers as an option, after consultation with the US Government (within the technocratic framework of EDA = Economic Development Administration), 3+1 used LCS Freedom Class.
4) Connection of Greece with the FFGX program, ie the future American frigate of class Constellation. There will also be assistance in designing a new class of warships specifically for Greek needs.
All of the above can be done independently. That is, Greece does not need to get HF2 or upgrade the MEKO200HN to get the used LCS. All of the above can be done without committing to additional purchases. The US potentially promises up to 10 ships at low cost (new, used, upgraded), which in combination with the 3 FDI HN will replace 100% of the aging existing Greek Fleet. With the American proposal there can be a replacement in all Kortenaer by the end of the decade.
The US offers:
1) We no longer know if the Ticonderoga are worth the effort and the cost of their concession, since the Hellenic Navy theoretically solved the issue of area air defense with the FDI HN frigates. The Navy had expressed strong concerns about the operating costs of these ships, although the firepower was equivalent to the entire Greek Fleet.
2) The Hellenic Navy may continue to receive LCS from the USN as the development of mainly destroyers in the Pacific is envisaged. The Americans will hold LCS for the Persian Gulf and the Western Pacific where they will operate with the Constellation. The USN recently said the ships are starting operations in Persian and South China. Some ships will be available through EDA from 2030 onwards when more Constellation class frigates are put into service. These ships are ideal to strengthen the Greek Fleet.
The 3 + 1 LCS class Freedom, could be the LCS with number 5 = Milwaukee, 7 = Detroit and 9 = Little Rock, can be delivered by USN, relatively quickly since the decommissioning of 2/3 will be done in 2022 . Then at a reasonable cost the Greek Navy can make ships much more powerful (with armaments and Mission Modules). There it should be considered whether the purchase of 4 Gowind corvettes is preferable to the concession of 4 LCS (with corvette power), the purchase of 2 new frigates (with reduced armament for cost reasons) and the modernization of some or all of the 4 MEKO200HN. The US proposal could potentially offer 8 ships with about 2 billion euros (2 HF2 "light", 4 LCS Upgraded, 2 MEKO200HN COMBATSS-21) or around 2.5 billion euros if all the MEKO200HN frigates are modernized and we "burden" the armament on HF2 frigates. That is, we have 8 ships with 2 billion euros and 10 ships with 2.5 billion euros.
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Meko upgrade is rip off, no missiles included. Even the new frigatte is rip off lol, who is going to pay all that money?
 

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2.5 Billion for a Modernization of the Meko's?!? You can and might aswell buy new ships for that price.
 
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Meko upgrade is rip off, no missiles included. Even the new frigatte is rip off lol, who is going to pay all that money?
wasn't the ada class a better Freedom class? adaclass has better armaments etc
 

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These amounts are the potential cost that can be put on MEKO and MMSC.
 

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wasn't the ada class a better Freedom class? adaclass has better armaments etc


They are going for the next gen frigatte program, ada class is a corvette.

I am curious how France will rip them off :D .
 

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1.7 Billions of dollar for 1 frigatte, possible sale:D.
 

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Even half of this deal is too much. Let's take a close look at the MMSC deal;
The Government of Greece has requested to buy four (4) Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC) ships; five (5) COMBATSS-21 Combat Management Systems (4 installed, 1 spare); five (5) Vertical Launch Systems (VLS), MK 41 (4 installed, 1 spare; 8 cells per set); two hundred (200) Rolling Airframe Missiles (RAM) BLK 2 (84 installed, 10 test and training rounds, 106 spares); five (5) MK 49 Guided Missile Launcher Systems (4 installed, 1 spare); eight (8) RAM BLK 2 telemetry missiles; thirty-two (32) Vertical Launch Anti-Submarine Rocket (ASROC) missiles (VLA) (12 installed (3 per ship), 8 test and training rockets, 12 spares); sixteen (16) 7.62mm M240B machine guns with ammunition (8 installed (2 per ship), 8 spares), and thirty-two (32) MK-54 All Up Round Lightweight Torpedoes (16 installed (4 per ship), 16 spares). Also included are additional single, VLS cells for VLA; ordnance; testing; training; follow-on support; TRS-4D radars; Common Anti-Air Modular Missile (CAMM); Common Anti-Air Modular Missile- Extended Range (CAMM-ER); Naval Strike Missile (NSM) RGM-184B and launchers; MK 46 Lightweight Upgrade to MK 54 Lightweight Torpedo; torpedo containers; Recoverable Exercise Torpedoes (REXTORP) with containers; Exercise Torpedoes (EXTORP) with containers; Expendable Mobile A-size Antisubmarine Warfare (ASW) Training Targets (EMATTs); Fleet Exercise Section (FES) and fuel tanks to be used with MK 54 conversion kits; air launch accessories for fixed wing; 76mm OTO STRALES gun with ordnance; Fire Control Radar; Gun Computer System; 20mm Narwhal gun system with ordnance; M2A1 .50 caliber machine gun with ammunition; NIXIE SLQ-25 Surface Ship Torpedo Defense System; Sylena MK 2 Decoy Launching System with CANTO torpedo countermeasure; Elta Electronic Warfare suite with counterunmanned aerial system capability; Compact Low Frequency Active Passive Variable Depth Sonar-2 (CAPTAS-2); Low Frequency Active Towed Sonar (LFATS); SQQ-89; AN/ARC-210 (RT-2036(C)) radios; Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) Equipment; Infrared Search and Track/EO director; Naval Laser Warning System; chemical, biological and radiological threat detectors; and 7 meter Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat (RHIB). Also included are support and test equipment; spare and repair parts; communications equipment, including Link 16 communications equipment; Battlefield Information Collection and Exploitation System (BICES); AN/SRQ-4 Tactical Common Datalink; Global Command and Control System-Joint (GCCS-J); Air Defense Systems Integrator (ADSI); cryptographic equipment including SY-150, SY-117G, and KYV-5M; Defense Advance GPS Receiver (DAGR); software delivery and support; facilities and construction support; publications and technical documentation; personnel training and training equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services; test and trials support; studies and surveys; and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated total cost is $6.9 billion.

Which of those subsystems will you sack to lower the costs? Not many. You may probably shorten the support deal. You can buy less ammo for MK41 and RAM MK2 systems. I don't see this deal can ever be lower than 5 billion $.

This looks like protection money rather than a military project.,

Meko Upgrade
The Government of Greece has requested to buy equipment and services to repair, update, and enhance their four (4) existing Hellenic Navy (HN) MEKO Class frigates. These upgrades will include the following: eight (8) Close in Weapon Systems (CIWS) Phalanx BLK 1B Baseline 2 upgrade kits; four (4) MK 45, 5” 54 caliber gun overhauls; four (4) MK 49 Guided Missile Launcher Systems; four (4) COMBATSS-21 Combat Management Systems; and, four (4) AN/SQS-56 Sonar overhauls. Also included is the repair and/or upgrade of existing systems; ordnance; testing; training; systems integration; follow-on technical support; acquisition, upgrades, and overhaul of Narwhal 20A Gun System; Sylena MK 2 Decoy Launching System with CANTO torpedo countermeasure; Radar/Fire Control TRS-4D; Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) Mode 5; NIXIE SLQ-25 Surface Ship Torpedo Defense System; Helicopter Handling System (Repairs); Defense Advance GPS Receiver (DAGR); Gun Computer System (GCS); Low Frequency Active Towed Sonar (LFATS); Compact Low Frequency Active Passive Variable Depth Sonar-2 (CAPTAS-2); Infrared Search & Track System (IRST); Elta Electronic Warfare (EW), with C-ESM, R-ESM, and ECM capability; Naval Laser- Warning System (NLWS); 7 meter Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat (RHIB); SQQ-89 ASW System; Fire Control Radar System; Improved Point Detection System-Lifecycle Replacement (IPDS-LR); Enhanced Maritime Biological Detection (EMBD), as well as significant Hull, Mechanical and Electrical upgrades, replacements, and repairs; support and test equipment; spare and repair parts; communications equipment, including Link 16 communications equipment; Battlefield Information Collection and Exploitation System (BICES); AN/SRQ-4 Tactical Common Datalink (TCDL); Global Command and Control System-Joint (GCCS-J); Air Defense Systems Integrator (ADSI); cryptographic equipment including SY-150, SY-117G, and KYV-5M; software delivery and support; publications and technical documentation; personnel training and training equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, systems integration, technical, and logistics support services; test and trials support; studies and surveys; and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated total cost is $2.5 billion.
 

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""The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.""" :LOL:

Greece needs frigates, with their high technology and long-range weapons systems, that will act as a power multiplier in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean.
For this reason the choice of FDI HN with the equipment that the Greek Navy wanted but also the delivery times, will alter the basic military balance in the region. The FDI HN will be a power and sovereignty asset for Greece.
 

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Paris has announced the deal to sell French frigates to Greece was signed few days ago despite the US offer...

Paris affirme que la vente de trois frégates Belh@rra à la Grèce a été signée « il y a quelques jours »​


 

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Paris has announced the deal to sell French frigates to Greece was signed few days ago despite the US offer...

Paris affirme que la vente de trois frégates Belh@rra à la Grèce a été signée « il y a quelques jours »​


US announcement creates confusion, as it refers to an international competition for the modernization of the Greek frigate fleet via potential sale. This announcement is likely to be a publication of the official United States response to the Hellenic navy competition that ended with Greece selecting the best offer, the French Belharra Frigates, probably at the wrong time.
 

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US announcement creates confusion, as it refers to an international competition for the modernization of the Greek frigate fleet via potential sale. This announcement is likely to be a publication of the official United States response to the Hellenic navy competition that ended with Greece selecting the best offer, the French Belharra Frigates, probably at the wrong time.
Greece will be milked by two of its pimps :)
Where will the money come from?
 

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US Gov. Authorizes $ 9.4 Billion Arms Sale to Greece;

• MEKO Class Frigate Modernization ($ 2.5 billion)
• Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC) Ships ($ 6.9 billion)

Congress notified -

[URL unfurl = "true"] https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/greece-meko-class-frigate-modernization [/ URL]
[URL unfurl = "true"] https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/ma...surface-combatant-hellenic-future-frigate-hf2 [/ URL]

These MMSC are in addition to, or instead of, the frigates contracted from France?
 

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