TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Test7]

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the radome I wanna see

 

[Combat-Master]

‘Our Malaysian initiatives are not tied to the tenders; regardless of the outcome of the tender process, we feel that Malaysia has a lot to offer to Turkey and Turkish Aerospace products,’ said Dogan. ‘We want to establish long-term relationships in Malaysia regardless if we are awarded or not. We want to be here.’

‘We offer business models that allow any system to be integrated,’ he noted. ‘We could localise Hürjet with a partnership of 50-50 percent joint company. Avionics is all Turkish-built by Aselsan, but we want to design for international markets in Malaysia.’

DSA 2022: TAI affirms commitment to Malaysia even if bids fail | Shephard

Even if it is unsuccessful in bids for MALE UAV and light combat/trainer aircraft programmes, Turkish Aerospace (TAI) executives confirmed to Shephard that the company aims to build ‘long-term relationships’ in Malaysia.

www.shephardmedia.com

 

[Khagan1923]

‘Our Malaysian initiatives are not tied to the tenders; regardless of the outcome of the tender process, we feel that Malaysia has a lot to offer to Turkey and Turkish Aerospace products,’ said Dogan. ‘We want to establish long-term relationships in Malaysia regardless if we are awarded or not. We want to be here.’

‘We offer business models that allow any system to be integrated,’ he noted. ‘We could localise Hürjet with a partnership of 50-50 percent joint company. Avionics is all Turkish-built by Aselsan, but we want to design for international markets in Malaysia.’

DSA 2022: TAI affirms commitment to Malaysia even if bids fail | Shephard

Even if it is unsuccessful in bids for MALE UAV and light combat/trainer aircraft programmes, Turkish Aerospace (TAI) executives confirmed to Shephard that the company aims to build ‘long-term relationships’ in Malaysia.

www.shephardmedia.com

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Malaysia would be really dumb not to take this offer. Not only would they be getting a state-of-the-art Trainer/LCA but they would have access to the newest Turkish Missiles, Bombs, Radars and Avionics.

Hürjet could lead to TF-X and Malaysia becoming a industrial partner, producing parts for TF-X.

It would also help them develop their own aviation industry.

Just the choice of missiles they would have for it.

AAM: Bozdogan, Gökdogan, Gökhan, Akdogan
ALCM: SOM-Family, Cakir

Not even gonna talk about our bombs because there too many kits and variants it would take a while.

The only negative would be the wait time. Unless Malaysia has a need of taking delivery ASAP Hürjet seems to be the logical choice.

 

[Zafer]

Not even gonna talk about our bombs because there too many kits and variants it would take a while.

I read that Malaysia expects deliveries by 2025 which is in line with Hürjet program timelines.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Malaysia would be really dumb not to take this offer. Not only would they be getting a state-of-the-art Trainer/LCA but they would have access to the newest Turkish Missiles, Bombs, Radars and Avionics.

Hürjet could lead to TF-X and Malaysia becoming a industrial partner, producing parts for TF-X.

It would also help them develop their own aviation industry.

Just the choice of missiles they would have for it.

AAM: Bozdogan, Gökdogan, Gökhan, Akdogan
ALCM: SOM-Family, Cakir

Not even gonna talk about our bombs because there too many kits and variants it would take a while.

The only negative would be the wait time. Unless Malaysia has a need of taking delivery ASAP Hürjet seems to be the logical choice.

I wonder if any of the bidders, apart from the Chinese can meet the deadlines for delivery. Even countries like Germany has to wait until 2025 for the production of their typhoon planes that they produce themselves in house.
I can’t see Hurjet being ready by that deadline when it hasn’t even flown yet. But I am all for being wrong.
On the other hand the offer Tusas has put across in the tender is very appetising. Malaysians would be silly not to go for it, if they are thinking long term for their military aircraft industry.

 

[Lool]

‘Our Malaysian initiatives are not tied to the tenders; regardless of the outcome of the tender process, we feel that Malaysia has a lot to offer to Turkey and Turkish Aerospace products,’ said Dogan. ‘We want to establish long-term relationships in Malaysia regardless if we are awarded or not. We want to be here.’

‘We offer business models that allow any system to be integrated,’ he noted. ‘We could localise Hürjet with a partnership of 50-50 percent joint company. Avionics is all Turkish-built by Aselsan, but we want to design for international markets in Malaysia.’

DSA 2022: TAI affirms commitment to Malaysia even if bids fail | Shephard

Even if it is unsuccessful in bids for MALE UAV and light combat/trainer aircraft programmes, Turkish Aerospace (TAI) executives confirmed to Shephard that the company aims to build ‘long-term relationships’ in Malaysia.

www.shephardmedia.com

View attachment 41936

Malaysia would be really dumb not to take this offer. Not only would they be getting a state-of-the-art Trainer/LCA but they would have access to the newest Turkish Missiles, Bombs, Radars and Avionics.

Hürjet could lead to TF-X and Malaysia becoming a industrial partner, producing parts for TF-X.

It would also help them develop their own aviation industry.

Just the choice of missiles they would have for it.

AAM: Bozdogan, Gökdogan, Gökhan, Akdogan
ALCM: SOM-Family, Cakir

Not even gonna talk about our bombs because there too many kits and variants it would take a while.

The only negative would be the wait time. Unless Malaysia has a need of taking delivery ASAP Hürjet seems to be the logical choice.

Honestly, I believe that Turkey is being WAY too generous with the deal

It is like Turkey is offering them years and years of tech within a piece of paper. IMO, Turkey would be fine just offering to build a local assembly plant and that is it! Any more is just not worth it tbh

 

[Zafer]

I would make a three seat version of Hürjet as a passenger plane and customize it for long range.
There was a foreign project like that. Also add some luggage pods perhaps.

 

[I_Love_F16]

"we feel that Malaysia has a lot to offer to Turkey and Turkish Aerospace products,’ said Dogan.

What can Malaysia offer to Turkiye exactly ? What is he thinking ?

 

[Pilatino]

Malaysian offer is worse than Serves

 

[Tsenal]

What can Malaysia offer to Turkiye exactly ? What is he thinking ?

They have a massive semi conductor industry.

 

[Zafer]

What can Malaysia offer to Turkiye exactly ? What is he thinking ?

Malaysia has what we don't have, a working microelectronics industry.

 

[HTurk]

Malaysia has what we don't have, a working microelectronics industry.

Is the industry really Malaysian, though? I always thought those companies are just foreign with barely any IP right belonging to Malatya? What can they offer to Turkey if they aren't actually the owner of said products and companies?

 

[neosinan]

Most Malaysian semiconductor factory is back end(Assembly and testing) factory and afaik they have 2 sizable true local semiconductor manufacturing plant/fabs which uses a decade old Nodes. So they have technology we don't posses and won't be possesing in the near future yet. And We should be working with them even if they don't offer cutting edge stuff in their industry, We need reliable partners more than cutting edge technology, Altay's engine example demonstrated this to all of us, We don't need to repeat the same mistake.

This video is great overview of Malaysian semiconductor industry

 

[Zafer]

Is the industry really Malaysian, though? I always thought those companies are just foreign with barely any IP right belonging to Malatya? What can they offer to Turkey if they aren't actually the owner of said products and companies?

IP rights expire, if we can get hold of some useful manufacturing technology with few years left to expiry we can benefit from it. 32nm or 28nm processes can be very useful.

 

[Heartbang]

They have a massive semi conductor industry.

we should sell TB2s to Taiwan under the table and take the payment as TSMC foundry investments.

 

[Pilatino]

we should sell TB2s to Taiwan under the table and take the payment as TSMC foundry investments.

That factory is their everything. However, maybe we can build a TSMC factory to Turkey if we can offer something good

 

[Yasar_TR]

This thread is dedicated to “TFX Turkish Fighter and Trainer Aircraft projects.”
Please stay on topic. Non topic posts have been deleted.

 

[cicaklaut]

Malaysia would be really dumb not to take this offer. Not only would they be getting a state-of-the-art Trainer/LCA but they would have access to the newest Turkish Missiles, Bombs, Radars and Avionics.

Hürjet could lead to TF-X and Malaysia becoming a industrial partner, producing parts for TF-X.

It would also help them develop their own aviation industry.

Just the choice of missiles they would have for it.

AAM: Bozdogan, Gökdogan, Gökhan, Akdogan
ALCM: SOM-Family, Cakir

Not even gonna talk about our bombs because there too many kits and variants it would take a while.

The only negative would be the wait time. Unless Malaysia has a need of taking delivery ASAP Hürjet seems to be the logical choice.

As a Malaysian, I must admit there is no limit to how dumb we can be when it comes to developing our defence industry.
We have no ambition to succeed, no fear of our neighbors and limitless fear of imaginary threats from our minority Chinese & Hindu citizens. The actual threat from Malaysia's non-Muslim minorities is not even 1% of the threat faced by Turkey from the PKK.

This mentality has no need for a vibrant defence industry and I believe the political elites in Malaysia, just like in India much prefers importing defence equipment as importing allows for exorbitant "commissions" to be imposed on every transaction.
This explains why Malaysia has a zoo of weaponry which makes maintenance and interoperability a nightmare.

Air-Force: 18 x SU-30MKM, 8 x F/A-18D, 8 x Hawk 208, 18 x MiG-29
4 different combat aircraft with 4 different engines from 3 different countries
Each aircraft were purchased for reasons other than as part of a coherent defence plan

At least India is improving:
In 2012:
"A shocking revelation by India's army chief General VK Singh last month that he was offered a hefty bribe by a lobbyist to approve a procurement deal has again raised the thorny issue of arms agents and their contacts to senior military and defense ministry officials."

Corruption scandal – DW – 04/27/2012

A series of embarrassing corruption scandals plaguing the military establishment in India have been blamed on the role middlemen play in the procurement process. The issue is now the subject of intense debate.

www.dw.com

In 2018:
"With an impetus on indigenization, it is expected that the armed forces will graduate from 40% indigenous content in defence products to 60% in five years and to 70% in a decade."

Is becoming less import-dependent the answer for Indian Defence?

India, the worlds top arms importer, has been plagued by a series of bribery and corruption scandals linked to big-ticket procurement.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Lonewolf]

As a Malaysian, I must admit there is no limit to how dumb we can be when it comes to developing our defence industry.
We have no ambition to succeed, no fear of our neighbors and limitless fear of imaginary threats from our minority Chinese & Hindu citizens. The actual threat from Malaysia's non-Muslim minorities is not even 1% of the threat faced by Turkey from the PKK.

This mentality has no need for a vibrant defence industry and I believe the political elites in Malaysia, just like in India much prefers importing defence equipment as importing allows for exorbitant "commissions" to be imposed on every transaction.
This explains why Malaysia has a zoo of weaponry which makes maintenance and interoperability a nightmare.

Air-Force: 18 x SU-30MKM, 8 x F/A-18D, 8 x Hawk 208, 18 x MiG-29
4 different combat aircraft with 4 different engines from 3 different countries
Each aircraft were purchased for reasons other than as part of a coherent defence plan

At least India is improving:
In 2012:
"A shocking revelation by India's army chief General VK Singh last month that he was offered a hefty bribe by a lobbyist to approve a procurement deal has again raised the thorny issue of arms agents and their contacts to senior military and defense ministry officials."

Corruption scandal – DW – 04/27/2012

A series of embarrassing corruption scandals plaguing the military establishment in India have been blamed on the role middlemen play in the procurement process. The issue is now the subject of intense debate.

www.dw.com

In 2018:
"With an impetus on indigenization, it is expected that the armed forces will graduate from 40% indigenous content in defence products to 60% in five years and to 70% in a decade."

Is becoming less import-dependent the answer for Indian Defence?

India, the worlds top arms importer, has been plagued by a series of bribery and corruption scandals linked to big-ticket procurement.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Can you on a seperate thread explain your take on lca tejas as a competitor in your tender .

 

[Lonewolf]

That factory is their everything. However, maybe we can build a TSMC factory to Turkey if we can offer something good

Atleast 5 billion incentive and a opportunity for a large market , too much hassle for 14 nm and lower nodes , Better go for higher nodes