TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[UkroTurk]

And why not AI-322-30F with more thrust?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1485756736929624064

Could one AI-322-30F lift HÜRJET?
5000kgf equal to 49kN with afterburner?

İmagine two of these monsters on the Hürjet or on the manned KE! 60kN military power and 100kN afterburner!!

 

[Radonsider]

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Could one AI-322-30F lift HÜRJET?
5000kgf equal to 49kN with afterburner?

İmagine two of these monsters on the Hürjet or on the manned KE!

i don't think 1 would be enough but instead of using 1 F404, using 2 derivatives of this AI-322-30F with a bit more power and better tech would be a beast.

Or a new small stealth fighter with improved AI-9500F to carry just 2-4 BVR missiles and good enough radar with sensors shared with TF-X (radar would be Özgür improves in this case as the nose would be smaller)

 

[UkroTurk]

i don't think 1 would be enough but instead of using 1 F404, using 2 derivatives of this AI-322-30F with a bit more power and better tech would be a beast.

Or a new small stealth fighter with improved AI-9500F to carry just 2-4 BVR missiles and good enough radar with sensors shared with TF-X (radar would be Özgür improves in this case as the nose would be smaller)

AI -9500F would be great if the engine were tangible.

Could you fit into Hürjet? Seems too long?

There are images of twin engine TX but too late

 

[Rajendra Chola]

its been a long while since the Americans as a culture lost any and everything that made them excel in the face of tyranny and adversity. the "wokeism" has throughly infiltrated the American mindset, like a chestburster who found an especially juicy victim to impregnate.

Your average American used to be a fella who had a pragmatic world view, working moral compass, and a resolve to see things through. nowadays an American is a 300 kg of genderless blob whos mental facilities have been deteriorated to a point that all of the thought of that mind of his are to be spoon-fed by an agressive AF corpo media, to be chanted at the mark. your average american now has 3 sentences in its vocabulary:

1. Fuck you, pay me!
2. I'm triggered!
3. Wanna smash?

It's a neo-communist world on the other side of the ocean, fellas. and commies dont do half-ass oppression.

Have you noticed that all the corpos who left the Russian market after the invasion of Ukraine, did so on their own volition, without waiting any directive from neither the EU or the White House? thats because they are afraid of being "cancelled" in the eyes of brainwashed Western public. Mark my words, when the tensions with Greece eventually boil over, you'll see the exact same thing happen to us. GE, Netflix, McDonalds, Burger King, Starbucks, Fiat, Renault... theyre all going to fuck off into the sunset, even if it means they'll be at a financial loss because of it. because they'll be busy honoring some fat Twitter mob whos making one impossible demand after another.

Let’s not compare wokeism with the strategic mindset of any country. Wokeism is just an phase. An someone who is an woke at 20, won’t be so at 35, due to real world understanding and dynamics. Of course, it’s different altogether when an woke becomes president. Hugo Chavez destroyed Venezuelan economy by giving everything for free.

I saw in future pages, that it is just an rumour. People here are actually underestimating the extent of US Turkey cooperation. Yes US has say on whom Turkey can sell equipments to. I am pretty sure Turkey won’t sell their equipment to Armenia or any other country selling their components to them, especially military. But Turkish companies are deeply embedded in western companies defence ecosystem and they will “sell” their products for Turkeys use.

Engines like F404 are highly reliable but they are not cutting edge. F110 is old too. US have no hesitation in selling their engines. After all GE has a market share and they won’t like to lose

 

[Heartbang]

Let’s not compare wokeism with the strategic mindset of any country. Wokeism is just an phase. An someone who is an woke at 20, won’t be so at 35, due to real world understanding and dynamics. Of course, it’s different altogether when an woke becomes president.

wokeism was a phase back in 2015. it isnt anymore. all those dyed hair maniacs graduated and took their place in corporate america. its their world now.

i dont wanna derail the subject too much, start a private conversation with me if you have a counter argument to what i say.

 

[dBSPL]

England was a country that imposed an embargo on us until yesterday. We shouldn't be so optimistic about the Tempest, TFX, Tranche 3-4 and EJ200.

Uk offered the EJ200 with many guarantees. Currently offering EF T4. Earlier a complete solution for the MMU' engines system was offered. The Turkish side did not accept these proposals and offered counter conditions. If Turkiye had not acted according to its experiences especially about the post-2016 period, we would now have contracts with the UK worth billions of dollars.

 

[Yasar_TR]

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AI -9500F would be great if the engine were tangible.

Could you fit into Hürjet? Seems too long?
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There are images of twin engine TX but too late

This engine with 20943lbf thrust (on paper) will fly Hurjet. But remember that this thrust is only available at take off. While flying with the augmented power, the thrust level is a lot less, at 14100lbf. On paper it is more powerful than F404 at take off. But not in actual flight mode. Also albeit less modern and most likely not as long lasting.
But also, this is an Ivchenko Progress design. Not a real engine. Motor Sich doesn’t have this in it’s turbofan engine list.
We all know that Motor Sich is the manufacturing plant. Not Ivchenko Progress. As far as I know, Ivchenko Progress only “designs” engines. Since Soviet era not many new engines have materialised that they have designed.
Now that the factory has been bombed, it is almost impossible to expect anything coming out of Ukraine anyway. (We can’t even bring back our 2 Airbus A400s)

The red lettered engines are the ones that Motor Sich has manufactured. The others are all in drawing board. Including the AI-9500F. Which probably was only a concept.
To tell you the truth our TF6000 is going to beprobably more powerful and versatile than any of these engines here.

 

[MADDOG]

Confirmation= F-404's have been delivered

 

[Boz]

Confirmation= F-404's have been delivered

Any other issues? Or was that rumor completely baseless.

 

[Timur]

Any other issues? Or was that rumor completely baseless.

if we would not get the engines I really doubt what our government did and how sweden and finland could be accepted..

 

[Seoraksan]

Boeing showcased its T-7A prototype to the public (probably it was assembled at least once in Sweden before September) in mid-September and flew the aircraft in mid-December. Hurjet's 1st prototype should have been already completed if TAI is still intended to fly the 1st prototype in December. As far as I know, TAI only has a mock-up. If the company aims to fly it in March, 2023, then it still may have some time left, but not by much since it is like 4.5 mths from today.

if we would not get the engines I really doubt what our government did and how sweden and finland could be accepted..

It is a matter between the US and Turkey. The US still refuses to sell F-16 to Turkey without any condition attached to the contract regardless the NATO membership of Sweden & Finland and CAATSA sanction is still in effect.

 

[Ripley]

It is a matter between the US and Turkey. The US still refuses to sell F-16 to Turkey without any condition attached to the contract regardless the NATO membership of Sweden & Finland and CAATSA sanction is still in effect.

Actually, the jury is still out on this one.
There’s still a struggle going on between, starting from, various political interest groups and lobbyists on every floor of the Congress to the both houses and their committees and their sub-committees, and finally all the way to White House.
So, it’s not been approved or vetoed officially. YET.
We all are waiting for the fat lady to sing tbh

 

[Anmdt]

Confirmation= F-404's have been delivered

They have even ordered the engines of serial production units if i am not mistaken, is it the prototype deliveries or first batch of serial production's? There were rumors that TEI will be assembling them and partially producing some parts?.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Confirmation= F-404's have been delivered

That was expected. Otherwise it would have made the SSB and Tusas officials a bunch of liars.
So in essence, the engines for the prototypes have been delivered. If @Bogeyman ’s intel were correct, then I t was for the engines of the 16 piece order Tusas received for which the confirmation of delivery of f404s are in question.
Could this be because we originally asked for trainer aircraft engines and not for light fighter aircraft engines? Hence GE is dragging it’s feet in responding.
If this is the way we are going to conduct business with USA for engines that are for our own use, then there is no chance for export business.
The quicker we alter engine supplier the better. We need to sign on the dotted line with RR for local production of a version of EJ200 asap if we want to be able to export this aircraft too. Same needs to be done for the TFX engines. Otherwise we will be left with another Altay fiasco in our hands.

 

[Fairon]

Hürjet with EJ2000 also would be good pair with Eurofighters logistics wise. I wonder if the decision makers think the posiblity considering the Eurofighter purchase slowly becoming a reality.

 

[zio]

hürjet kanat/wing problem,there is also mach problem 1.4,1.3 or 1.2

 

[MADDOG]

hürjet kanat/wing problem,there is also mach problem 1.4,1.3 or 1.2

Do not look into the info published on the app or their website. You will lose brain cells trying to figure it all out. I learned this the hard way.

 

[Hasanrize]

hürjet kanat/wing problem

That was an old topic here. Turkish defense companies give zero shit about their internet site. TUSAŞ is almost the worst (I tried to send a recommendation and failed because that function was not working ). According to their internet site, they are still producing parts for F-35, and İsmail Demir said that we are not producing anything for almost 1,5 years ago. That's how much attention they gave to their internet site.

 

[Radonsider]

That was an old topic here. Turkish defense companies give zero shit about their internet site. TUSAŞ is almost the worst (I tried to send a recommendation and failed because that function was not working ). According to their internet site, they are still producing parts for F-35, and İsmail Demir said that we are not producing anything for almost 1,5 years ago. That's how much attention they gave to their internet site.

Or all are psyops

 

[zio]

There was a written pano/stand of tusaş at paris or uk fair details of hürjet were different also,I would not be surprised if the motor was different